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Owen
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Posts: 22
From: Poulsbo, Wa. US
Registered: 01-04-2002
Greetings,

Iím stopping by to announce my new website. Iíve started doing game reviews from a Christian perspective. I know there are some already out there but I will be trying to offer a slightly different take on things.

Itís pretty small right since itís only just getting started, but with a little patience and support from you Iím hoping it will grow into something special.

Come on by and give me a visit at www.brentowen.com.

Thanks and hope to see you there.
Brent

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MastaLlama

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From: Houston, TX USA
Registered: 08-10-2005
Hey, nice site. I would like to suggest an area where visitors can post comments on your articles and game reviews. Although, you may have this...but I broke my account by selecting another web-skin and now all I get is a database error.

Anyway, I'd like to say I enjoy reading your game reviews but I don't agree with one statement...

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On the plus side, well hmm.. A plus side? Well ok thereís no obvious Christian bashing. I suppose thatís a plus, but when you consider the demonic nature of D&D I wouldnít be giving this to any kids to play.

What "demonic nature of D&D" are you refering to? My friends and I (ranging from 23 to 35 in age and with multiple religious backgrounds) have played D&D together for years. We have never once tried to summon a demon or worship satan or drink blood or anything that would be conceived as "demonic nature".

Now, I'm not saying D&D can't lead to demonic or satanic worship, but so can watching cartoons. By stating D&D has a demonic nature you're aligning yourself with the people who say "Guns don't kill people, kids that play violent video games do."

Sorry, I don't mean to rant here and I do not mean you any ill will, I just get upset when people say things like that and don't know what they're talking about. If anything D&D would be boring to most people...saving throws, rolling dice for everything (jumping, swimming, resting, attacking, walking, etc...etc...etc...) but that doesn't mean people shouldn't play it or other pen and paper based RPGs.

...sorry, I started ranting again.

Anyway, I like the site and your design, you may want to check your web-skins or themes, I broke my account

Owen
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From: Poulsbo, Wa. US
Registered: 01-04-2002
Never said playing D&D will cause you do anything, but it does have cultic elements in it. Of course that debate's been going on for 30+ years. All we can really do here is agree to disgree. That argument aside, demon summoning spells, all manner of undead etc. D&D games really tend to try to blur the lines between good & bad. For crying out loud one of the main characters in NWN2 is half demon.

You're welcome to disgree and can come rant. I have your account fixed (I think). hmm thought I had turned that theme selection option off. :P Well it's off now.

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MastaLlama

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From: Houston, TX USA
Registered: 08-10-2005
Yes, agreeing to disagree is usually the best options when talking about something (D&D, Rock and Roll, the government) as being evil.

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That argument aside, demon summoning spells, all manner of undead etc. D&D games really tend to try to blur the lines between good & bad. For crying out loud one of the main characters in NWN2 is half demon.

It's not just D&D games that do this, it's fantasy type games in general, regardless of their influences or classification: RPGs (pen and paper, computer, console - MMORPGs ORPGs, single player RPGs), FPSs, board games, card games, etc...).

All that aside, I agree about NWN2, I wouldn't give it to a 13 year old.

I'll check the site again later and see if I'm fixed

Owen
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From: Poulsbo, Wa. US
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Next reviews will be Spiderman 3, Victory at Hebron and Ominous Horizons.

As for adding comments to the reviews I'll have to look at it. the module I'm using doesn't have comments. I might be able to tweak the news module and menus though to get the format that I want with comments.

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Matt Langley
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From: Eugene, OR, USA
Registered: 08-31-2006
Nice looking site... I'd agree with the comments thing, a review without comments isn't always very useful.

I'd also have to agree to disagree on the D&D issue, considering I meet up every Friday (and sometimes Saturday or Sunday) for a D&D + Magic the Gathering session with co-workers. In fact I own the D&D book that goes over "Devils" and another one that goes over "Demons". I have found it has no bearing on my faith whatsoever. In fact most people who are effected by it are often weak in faith and looking for something to misguide them. D&D is fantasy, pure fantasy. For me it has no bearing on my real life since it is just fantasy. If people take it further then that and can't distinguish between fantasy and real, then it isn't the games fault, it's the persons fault. I think there's too much blame going on games, books, and movies these days for mistakes people have made. Instead we should make people own up to their choices and decisions... Also just because a cult plays D&D it doesn't make D&D a cult game, I mean if a cult gets together an plays monopoly does that make monopoly a cult game? </endrant>

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Owen
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I'm actually still waiting for the disagreement. I never once said, nor implied that just because D&D had those elements that it causes anyone to do anything. Only that it has a nature and qualities to it. That's a far cry from saying "ooo it has demon summoning spells it's going to cause you to become a cult member". I even said I enjoyed the game! Which was one of the first things I said in the review.

Still I wouldn't give it to my kids (if I had anyway) without at least going through it with them and talking about what the Bible says about stuff like that.

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Matt Langley
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From: Eugene, OR, USA
Registered: 08-31-2006
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Still I wouldn't give it to my kids (if I had anyway) without at least going through it with them and talking about what the Bible says about stuff like that.

I stand corrected and apologize for assuming you were implying something else. I definitely respect that attitude towards it and honestly would have the exact same approach.

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Faith_Warrior

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From: So.Cal.
Registered: 09-05-2006
quote:
Originally posted by mastallama:

Now, I'm not saying D&D can't lead to demonic or satanic worship, but so can watching cartoons.



Well, right there is where you should stop and think. Once one opens the door for demonic attacks itís not so easy to close that door and near impossible for a non-Christian to, it will lead to [u]something[/u]. Your friends being of ďdifferent religionsĒ are probably more susceptible to attack, they are pretty much being left wide open to it. Now mentioning cartoons does not make it now right to do, donít watch those cartoons etcÖ
Eh lost my score card, did you say that you were a Christian? Iím assuming you are a born again Christian so am skipping the basics of why playing with demonic forces/things is wrong.

There ARE alternative ways to playing D&D, I used to play the game for years, loved making my own worlds and rules, but it is common in most cases to have occult content saturated into many of the commercial games that itís not even funny, nor something to mess with. Do yourself a big big big favor and show love to your friends that they not be taken by demonic powers, burn that crap. The bible says that we are in the midst of a spiritual warfare, compromise will waste you and your friends.

Here is one alt: http://www.holylands.net/ and there are many others out there.

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Matt Langley
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From: Eugene, OR, USA
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quote:
Iím assuming you are a born again Christian so am skipping the basics of why playing with demonic forces/things is wrong.

Since when did D&D "Demonic" and devil themes constitute "demonic forces"? I am curious since I have the D&D book on "Demons" and the separate book on "Devils" (in D&D that is) I find it hard to believe that using those completely made up fantastical sources can even come close to being the same as playing with true demonic forces.

In any case this is definitely a different subject than the thread so I'm going to start a new thread on it... I'm curious about your response

EDIT: I posted the new thread in "General Christian Discussions "


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graceworks
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Posts: 455
From: Corvallis, Oregon, USA
Registered: 03-03-2001
Owen,

I tried registering as "GraceWorks" and keep getting the cookie error. Can you set my up?

I saw this:

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At present I am scheduled to attend the Christian Game Developerís Conference coming up in July. It is being held at Concordia College in Portland, Oregon. Iím looking forward to hooking up with folks in the gaming community.

I am hoping that God has someone there to hook me up to raise money for my own gaming projects. If that is the direction God has laid out of me to go, then I want to take full advantage of the opportunity. Also I will giving a report of the conference.


I would've commented on the site but couldn't register - we are glad you are coming. I tend to be a realist and don't like to set expectations too high. So, you may not get any funding. At the same time, God can do anything but, in general, most teams go unfunded. Now, be sure to tell developers about your game review sites and you may snag some games to play/review! I'll try to bring an extra for you.

As you suggested, pray about it - let's see what God blesses.

-Tim

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Jari

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Hey, I may say something that is obvious to some one and while I haven't read everything said in this thread, please consider this regarding game's, demons, magic etc.

In the Bible, in the book of acts we can see how apostles dealt with witch and magic. One person lost her ability of soothsaying (foretelling) when Paul decided to command the spirit out of her in the name of Jesus Christ (Act 16:16-18). And they also encountered a sorcerer (Act 13:8) and people that had practiced "curious arts" brought their books to be burnt (Act 19:19).
So they saw a lot about these things but the evil spirits had no power over them. Unlike the people who we're overcome by the evil spirit when they tried to command it saying "We adjure you by Jesus". Because they we're "vagabond Jews, exorcists" and apparently not reborn and without faith in Jesus (Act 19:13-15).

So I know that I am protected. Yet I don't unnesessarily deal with such things. But in a game it's just effectless and unreal, but of course some one can seriously consider the things he/she sees in a game and get drawn in to the real thing.

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D-SIPL

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From: Maesteg, Wales
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quote:
Originally posted by jari:
Hey, I may say something that is obvious to some one and while I haven't read everything said in this thread, please consider this regarding game's, demons, magic etc.

In the Bible, in the book of acts we can see how apostles dealt with witch and magic. One person lost her ability of soothsaying (foretelling) when Paul decided to command the spirit out of her in the name of Jesus Christ (Act 16:16-18). And they also encountered a sorcerer (Act 13:8) and people that had practiced "curious arts" brought their books to be burnt (Act 19:19).
So they saw a lot about these things but the evil spirits had no power over them. Unlike the people who we're overcome by the evil spirit when they tried to command it saying "We adjure you by Jesus". Because they we're "vagabond Jews, exorcists" and apparently not reborn and without faith in Jesus (Act 19:13-15).

So I know that I am protected. Yet I don't unnesessarily deal with such things. But in a game it's just effectless and unreal, but of course some one can seriously consider the things he/she sees in a game and get drawn in to the real thing.


I totally. You have to be careful what you open yourself up to. The Bible says to be above reproach, if non-christians see you playing games with demonic content or casting spells, or whatever, it's a bad witness imo.

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