zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
The Team KAIZEN V2.0 Site just went live tonight!! Check it out has some better concept art screens of Shattered Soul! We will have more info on it in the near future but I am just happy to have a more decent site up! Check it out at www.teamkaizengames.com ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
very sweet, dude. Shattered Soul looks awesome. ------------------ |
dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
 Yay!!! I was getting sick of the old one :P waiting on 100% for like 20 mins... lol... hehe ------------------ |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
So team kaizen is not a Christian company even the founders are Christians and the games have symbols related to christinanity, interesting. Are you one of the founders zookey? I'm wondering.  ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
yeah its just him and his brother i think. whoa site looks great. SHATTERED SOUL LOOKS SO AWESOME. whoa i cant wait for it =D it looks just a little bit like Soul Calibur 2, artwise anyways. ------------------ | [This message has been edited by buddboy (edited October 08, 2006).] |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: Did you see that stated somewhere on the website, Jari? I checked several of their pages, and didn't see any such statement where they claimed they weren't a Christian company. I don't know that I like calling companies "Christian" any more than I like calling games "Christian". I think I wrote it in a post somewhere else on here a few weeks ago -- games aren't saved, but the gamers can be. Similarly, companies aren't saved -- but the workers can be. I'm not sure that Paul advertised his tent making business as making "Christian" tents, any more than Peter advertised his fishing company as selling "Christian" fish. I would imagine each of them just tried to do their work well, and to place it all under the authority of Christ. Popular-culture Christianity tends to like to label things as explicitly "Christian" or not -- but that's something I'm not always a fan of doing. --clint |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: Did you see that stated somewhere on the website, Jari? I checked several of their pages, and didn't see any such statement where they claimed they weren't a Christian company. I don't know that I like calling companies "Christian" any more than I like calling games "Christian". I think I wrote it in a post somewhere else on here a few weeks ago -- games aren't saved, but the gamers can be. Similarly, companies aren't saved -- but the workers can be. I'm not sure that Paul advertised his tent making business as making "Christian" tents, any more than Peter advertised his fishing company as selling "Christian" fish. I would imagine each of them just tried to do their work well, and to place it all under the authority of Christ. Popular-culture Christianity tends to like to label things as explicitly "Christian" or not -- but that's something I'm not always a fan of doing. --clint[/B][/QUOTE]
Mack: LOL yep I love neon--just finished redoing Add-A-Tudez (TK's parent company founded by my bro and I) site too at www.addatudez.com --I did it to complement the TK one. Thanks so much everyone for the comments---the team appreciates them and we are psyched to have a better site up------with the Soul Calibur thing--once Shattered Soul has more info out you will see a unique character in it--we are trying to combine fighting games like Guilty Gear (2d fast paced) with Tekken or Soul Calibur (3D fast paced--sorta LOL) and Powerstone or Ehrgiez (3D roam around fighters)---so Shattered Soul is being set up to be like nothing before--and kind of our 'essay' on what fighter should be----and we will have a LOT of info soon (around the same time frame advertised on our site---late 2006 or early 2007)--thanks so much everyone! ------------------ |
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dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
Yeah, I can't wait to play Shattered Soul either... :P Ooo.. I see you got rid of that 'neon' picture on the TK site, and rearranged it... looks good. When will the 'Meet the Team' page be ready :P ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Did you see that stated somewhere on the website, Jari? [/B][/QUOTE] Yes in the FAQ. In my opinion Christian company is a company which products are very much influenced by God's word. And there isn't much you can do to a tent to make it differ from a "secular tent" games are whole different thing. Jari. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) [This message has been edited by jari (edited October 08, 2006).] |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Yah I ditched the neon sign--wanted one that tied into the site and the buttons slightly better With the Meet The Team page---hopefully soon I have to get that set up--so once I get everything figured out on what I want to do and have a ffew hours to sit down and do it LOL With the christian company thing---a Christian company is one that solely makes games for Christians and the Family Book Store Market--that is why we aren't a Christian company---we are a secular company ran by Christians but intent on having our product reach the world, not the choir----that is why in the FAQ section we have a short answer (no) and the long answer: Team KAIZEN is a secular game company. Joshua and Trevor Hughes (the Co-Founders of Team KAIZEN) are Christians, as well as several of the other employees. Also, the games Team KAIZEN will develop will contain Christian symbolism in them. However, Team KAIZEN's games are not intended for the 'Christian Book Store' market or the Christian sub-culture. In addition to being Christians, Josh and Trevor (along with the other staffers) are hardcore gamers who want to raise the bar of quality for the industry by making games that reinvent the term 'cutting edge'. Because of this, Team KAIZEN's games are intended for everyone--we want people of any belief system to play our games without feeling forced to accept a certain belief system just to enjoy the game. Besides, Christians created Lord of the Rings and Narnia (not to mention hundreds of other fantasy stories)---would you knock them for not aiming specifically at Christians? Please realize I don't mean to be confrontational---just trying to show my point as to why we don't call our company Christian----you COULD make a christian tent by sewing Bible verses on the side--but then only pre-existing Christians would by the tents--you wouldn't have any secular people go 'Oh now I understand and I want to accept Jesus'---it doesn't work that way and the same goes for Video Games--the only non-christians who play christian video games are those few people looking to parodize them-------I believe that, if you let God have control of your art---it may not come off as uber-heavy overtly Christian--but it will be something good that God can use to show people that Christianity isn't about throwing your creativity away or walking, talking and acting a certain way--it is about realizing that God loves you enough to send his son to die for you and the ramifications (both moral and spiritual) of that. Again, I don't mean to sound aggresive or confrontational but I wanted to be sure to get the point across ------------------ |
kenman Member Posts: 518 From: Janesville WI Registered: 08-31-2006 |
It's good to see such a lively discussion about this topic. No 'Company' or 'Game' is Christian, just people are We found our companies, or our games, on Christ like beliefs, hoping that by our good witness, people are intrigued into what makes us tick. Plastering "I love Jesus" on the splash screen on your newest game, proably won't make anyone want to convert to Christianity. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Thank you Josh for explaining your view. Personally I hope to be able represent God's good will and commandments as well judgements in the games I make and if secular audience rejects the games because of that then fine. Because Jesus says His sheep will hear His voice and follow Him. But I do understand that you are running a company, and I'm not. In Christ, ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Thanks I don't feel it is that clean cut though--I always have wondered about that verse from the pov that what if there are people in the secular world that are meant to be with Jesus but have been blocked by that mentality of 'well, if they were supposed to be Christian then they would have found Jesus through my game--but since they rejected it they rejected him'---that also sounds like some people were destined to go to heaven and others to hell--I believe we are all destined for Hell and that is what Jesus saved us from----but Shattered Soul will be like Narnia or Lord of the Rings---secular but has Christian symbolism---that is also why you sometimes see 'Live By the Sword Die By The Sword' on some SHattered Soul stuff---it is a quote of Jesus we push with the game so the players have that in the back of their mind---we are setting the game up so that choices will have direct effects on outcomes ------------------ |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
Nice website! Your welcome logo reminded me of an old c64 game I use to LOVE playing called Archon. I think its because the game's cover art had a similar beastie face-off design. Very cool! |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Hmm, it isnt our job to think who goes where, we are to just love in faith and hope. Apostole Paul writes about predistination in romans chapter 9 and it just seems that some people do not come to light, but like I said we should keep being hopeful for all. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
It is my understanding that we should be the 'middleman'--that being a Chrsitian automatically carries a responsibility of representing Jesus to the world---I don't personally believe in predestination---if 'God so loved the world that he sent his one and only son so that none may parish but have everlasting life' is true, why would God create people that he knew 100% would not come to Jesus? I believe that God wants us to show people true Christianity---and you do that by living it not (as Hanclinto perfectly put it) by playing the pop-culture christianity game by making a 'christian alternative' to everything else---that is why we say 'in the world not of it' instead of 'away from the world and not of it' LOL I love Archon! I played it when I was a very tiny kid---I wish they would do an update of that (I know about that one Wrath game--but I heard it wasn't that great)---thanks dude glad you liked the site!! ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Oh no, what translation did you quote? I must state that, that is not true because the message is different from that "none may perish", see: About the question why would God create people who wont be saved? I don't know but He created Satan too and Simon iskariot who betrayed Jesus and we are not to question God - like Paul teaches in Romans 9. I suggest reading that chapter for more knowledge. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Well--I have heard that verse put both ways actually but it means the same thing: if your name was already (by no choice of your own) in the book of life--why did Jesus have to die? If predestination is true, you were already saved and Jesus was making a foolish choice to die on the cross. Yes God made Satan and Judas---but they made an active choice to rebel and it was their choice not a predestined outcome. Like CS Lewis once said (I believe in Mere Christianity?--this is paraphrased) 'God knew the risks of creating free will, but he must have felt it was worth that risk'---everyone has the ability to chose--if the choice was already done for us that goes against everything God stands for---before Jesus died on the cross we were predestined to go to hell and that is why Jesus (and God) did it--to give us a choice and put the ball in our court. I believe that it just doesn't logically (or Bibically) work out to say that Jesus died for everyone--everyone who already is saved that is. Jesus died for everyone period--which means that the world is full of people that we need to be representatives for Jesus to----please don't take this in a mean sense because I don't mean to sound harsh but there isn't another way I can think of putting this: to adopt an attitude of 'well I am saved so I was destined to--and if my neighbor isn't saved he will be if he is destined to or he won't be if he is destined to go to hell' sounds to me like shirking responsibility--we need to--24 hours a day--be representing Jesus to the world---and I don't mean like walking over to your neighbor and shoving a Bible and 'praise jesus' down his throat---I mean being who you are and having Jesus be a part of that--you don't get that from wearing certain clothes or listening to certain music or walking, talking or acting a certain way--you only get that when you tell Jesus and God 'I want you to have control over my life--let me be used for you!'---then not only will you have a lot more free and fufilling life--but it will start to affect those around you for God--because they aren't seeing the phony pop culture christianity that is (unfortunately) popular today--they are seeing something spiritual and real--something that doesn't interfere with who you are but loves you for who you are--loves you enough to die for you---then that person will ask questions then you can show them the truth! ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Hi zookey, I hope you dont mind if I'll make a quick response now. Even I do believe that God knows the future and God does not take risks - he knows what decisions we will make - I wont think "oh so that is his or her's destinity". When I believe that everything goes as God has seen before hand I acknowledge the fact that He is almighty and He cannot be surprised nor hurt in anyway, ever. Of course we must witness at all times and always, as I stated in my previous posts. I felt that your post was directed to me so I had to clear this out.God bless.
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I am suprised you guys haven't dug up any scriptures on predestination. I believe in predestination, but we don't know who is supposed to go to heaven so we should still try to get people saved (I know, I know, it's the Holy Spirit, but we have to make an effort). I also believe we as Christians should not try to "shove" Christianity down people's throats. Because that turns people away. Not that my opinion matters much ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: LOL that is what we are all doin' tho--just throwing around opinions--and I don't want to push the idea that I think people with different opinions than me are less than me--I certainly don't think that---it is just I have a hard time believing in Predestination----you can't have that and free will at the same time--I think God knows all the possible outcomes but he leaves the decisions up to us--if we were predestined to go to heaven why do we need Jesus? We would have been saved from birth---and what a cruel reality to let the 'unsaved' be born at all if they are destined to go to hell and spend an eternity away from God---if that was true then I would think that would turn me off of Christianity just because of how cold it is when God is about love--he is stern but he loves us enough to die for us---and he died for the unsaved too if you just count the unsaved as 'destined to go to hell no matter what' I think you (you being used in general term--not directed at individuals here) are cheapening what Jesus did and restricting it to the few when Jesus should be shared with the many. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Lava is right, I'm going to show some scripture and leave it there because I don't want to continue this thread off topic (even good cause) and I think we just have to study the sriptures to find the reasons behind God's will - it's all said there.
quote: Amen, God knows all the outcomes but would he not then know what decision we are going to make? And who can believe unless the Lord allows Him to? As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, - Rom 9:13-23
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) - Rom 10:6-7
If you have trouble excepting this then try thinking about the reason we live. If God already knows our decision then what is it? Are we here to give glory to God? I doupt almighty gets any mightier from our thanks (Psa 147:10), but it's right thing to do. Well, He sure loves us... and teaches us.
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Hey! Well, I still disagree---one thing I would like to look at is who exactly wrote those scriptures? There are times in the Bible where conflicting info is said and I believe it is because of the fallibility of the human author as opposed to (what some non-christians call) the fallibility of Christianity or God---one example is one verse says basically women should study in silence and be seen not heard---yet several events around Jesus' life show him and/or God allowing women to speak as equals (the woman at the well and john the baptist's mother in the church being 2 events)----so, obviously, the author of the negative passage on women made a mistake saying that since it doesn't line up with the spirit of God or Jesus (which is ok--it is human to sin that is why Jesus took our place)----my point with that is that, while most of the Bible is useful---the best thing to do is always know who wrote what and use both the words and actions of Jesus as the perfect touchstone to judge everything by---since we know Jesus was perfect and without sin his example is the best! Still, predestination has the big hurdle of Jesus himself---if we were predestined to go to Heaven then Jesus didn't need to die--we were natuarlly holy enough to make it on our own--which, in of itself, is actually against the teachings of Christianity--which is that we have to accept God's gift of salvation--and God didn't create special people just go to hell---that isn't his plan---his plan was to create stuff that could have an active relationship with him--Satan made an active choice to try and get in the way of that----and you can't say God created Satan just so there would be evil out there--it says in the Bible that God hates sin and that sin is everything that God isn't---so why would he create something he hates? God gave us free will also because he wants us to make an active choice to love him--not be forced robots---and God knew the risk involved and the chaos of us being able to chose instead of him--but he obviously thought it worth it----I am not saying anyone here believes this per se' but I believe a lot of people who claim predestination it is just so they don't have to do the grunt work of reaching out to people because 'all the people who I don't want to associate for whatever reason were predestined to go to hell anyways'---AGAIN I WANT TO STRESS I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU BELIEVE THAT---there is different degrees of thought patterns but I personally believe that is where that came from and people later on took milder forms of the predestination thought pattern-----and I say that because most churches I have seen (I have had some real negative church experiences--but I chose not to blame God or Jesus for what humans did to me) tend to judge anyone who doesn't walk, talk, act or speak like them---and they tend to make up things like that to justify their view as God-ordained (in other crazier experiences--I have even heard from some people that multi-racial marriges was predicted in the Bible as a sign of the Apocalypse--crazy huh?)---and that is the main reason this gets me so angry--I know so many people who have been hurt in those situations and I refuse to give up on them because they might be destined to go to heaven or hell---I believe we were all destined to only go to hell and that is what Jesus died for--and our job, as currently saved people, is to make sure the sacrifice wasn't in vain---not only by living our lives in response to the new life through Jesus but by sharing it (and, like I said before--there is a difference between sharing it in daily life and cramming it down someone's throat)-----what we need to realize is this--hell is eternal torture--an eternity away from God in the most horrid place imaginable--if God is love and God hates hell and sin--why would he create something with the sole intention of it spending eternity in hell? Hell is the result of choices--and we need to be the people that make it clear to the world it is a choice not a 'you have to be born into it' kinda thing---of course not by the fire and brimstone method as most religous scare tactics tend to ward people off---but yeah and don't worry about pulling the thread off topic I don't mind debating with people and it has kept this thread active which means more possible attention for the TK site so I don't mind LOL---and, I have to repeat---I don't mind other viewpoints I am just explaining the logic behind my disbelief in predestination. edit: fixed some grammar in the first few sentences [This message has been edited by zookey (edited October 13, 2006).] [This message has been edited by zookey (edited October 13, 2006).] |
