If you think that slavery is gone from the earth with the anti-slavery laws, you're wrong. Within the core of Africa lies an enslaved country named Sudan, whose capital is Khartoum. The primary people enslaved are Black, Sudanese Christians. This has been going on for years, and though laws have been signed forbidding it, it has continued.

I have see with my own eyes a former slave, who was set free from slavery by my home church. Whats going on? 7 year old children are being ripped away from their family, they are forced to see their parents die in front of them. 7 year old girls are raped multiple time DAILY. They are instructed to do what they can not do. They are treated like animals, talked to like animals, and considered property and animals.

Churches are being burned down, and their residents being enslaved, and murdered. To (not exactly) quote a slave from my memory, which I heard myself, "We must build a bridge for those who can't swim". Over 2 MILLION christians have died, at least 7,000-15,000 have been taken, and sold as slaves to the northern Arab Muslems.

To quote a former female slave who was met on CNN, "I had to clean clothes, clean the house, look after the cattle, everything. I was completely a slave, more than a slave. I was continuously beaten because whenever I would stop to feed my baby with my breast milk, somebody would get angry and say I wasn't working."

To quote the same slave which I heard, "I was forced to do what (age not remembered) a person my age could not do." 99% of these slaves families have been killed. Put yourself in this person's shoes, what if your daughter was taken from you, forced to watch you murdered brutally, and forced to work as the aforementioned slavery. Imagine your son within the same slavery, forced to do what he could not do. Beaten daily, and barely fed.

These slaves are marked with red hot irons as a cow, another type of marking is to cut of both hands. To sever them from the body. Imagine as if your son/daughter went through this circumstances, or if YOU did.

These are your brothers/sisters who are in slavery. We CANNOT just sit here and do nothing, these are you brothers. What can we do? Through Breakthrough.net, you can give a gift of 45$ which will free a slave, and provide a survival kit. For just 45$ you can save a CHRISTIAN human being. I know I sound like a sales person.

On a positive note, what Breakthrough has been able to do, is this exact quote, "The passage of the Sudan Peace Act. Freeing 18,400 (25,000 now) Sudanese Christian slaves to be returned to family and loved ones. Providing 2.5 million pounds of food. Providing over $3.25 million worth of medical supplies. Over 4000 survival kits that include a month's supply of food, tarp, wool blanket, mosquito new and cook pot. The construction of 2 clinics that will double as churches and distribution centers for our relief."

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this has been going on for years now it is happening in the western part called darfur, the story about sudan is they had an about 18 years(i think) old civil war between Christians and muslims the south being Christian and the north muslim, finally the settled into a cease fire after a while they formed a united gov't but then there arised the janjaweed militia they are the ones doing all the horrible stuff and the gov't who is headed by a muslim(the president was mulim and the vice president Christian , the vice president got killed a couple of month ago.) and the gov't doesn't publicly denounce it(as far as i heard) but it doesn't stop them and it secretly gives them supplies so that they can kill all the Christians.

on another note there are about 200,000 people who left their homes and are refugees in neighboring chad, they are constatnly being attacked and raped and all that stuff, there is an african union peace keeping force there (as far as i know)but it is too weak to defend all the people.
the u.n. nations refuse to send any troops to protect them because nobody wants to die defending an african.

and this kind of raping and all that stuff goes on in drc(i think) and it is suppodley as worse or even worse than darfur.

and mene-mene, it's spelled khartoum.

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Whose Son Is the Christ

Sadly enough.. I haven't heard of breakthrough.net before myself. I will look more into it. Thanks for the post Mene-Mene.

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It's a terrible situation over there. I wish I could do something about it. How does this - breakthrough.net help? They actually buy the people for $45 dollars and bring them to the U.S?

No matter how much money gives it's always going to be 1 step forward and 10 steps back since many support things that give money to help do all those bad things despite so many do not know. Donating anything under $100 is money burned since that just goes to the middle man to pay their expenses.

In the end we may try to make where we east and sleep good but if there are 9 others there that don't care then it doesn't matter. I can give an answer on what to do but no one will accept that Christian answer.

Ignorance causes there things and people are bombarded with so much nonsense that thing will just get worse. Thing are so messed up only GOD can fix.

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"The CIA must operate within the law.." - Former President Jimmy Carter, trying to solve an old problem. ;)

To quote a leader of the news, "(the sudanese situation) is not marketable to the people." Where are the Muslem leaders? Where are the BLACK christian leaders? Why is it that the main defenders of the africans that are publicised are white?

Sorry about the spelling.

Brandon: I was kinda hoping you'd answer. www.breakthrough.net is the home site of World Harvest Church, one of the biggest churches in the USA. Our pastor has met multiple times with the president, as well as gone to congress, ext. He (Pastor Rod Parsley) is associated with heroes of the faith such as R. W. Shambach, Doctor Lester Sumeral, ext. He also has written best-selling books, such as, "Silent No More", "Miss the Mess", ext.

Your Welcome, Anytime.

Laz: I understand what you mean, but hey, if we don't want them to do that unto us, why should we do it unto them?

World Harvest Church is the church behind www.breakthrough.net, they have outreaches such as "Center for Moral Clarity", and "Bridge of Hope".

Bridge of Hope sends people in there, who free the slaves, minister food, and supplies, as well as the gospel. I'm not sure where the former slaves go after that.

Warsong: How did I know you'd show up? What white X-ian trade are you talking about? What Israel slaves? Its not neccesarily just the Christians, there are others as well. And these are not Orthodox from what I've heard, these are Holy Ghost filled, radical Christians in an opposing world.

Your next paragraph needs some grammer checking, its highly confusing. I think what your saying is that when you give 45$ its going to pay for the expenses. From what I know, you're wrong about that, they are highly specified as to what you give to.

Your next paragragh needs some grammer checking as well, and I can't even understand it.

Yes, only God can fix it, but we can be apart of his plan by being willing vessels to do his plan, and help our brothers, and sisters in Christ however we can.

Crazy: I'm not sure I agree with you. Unfortunetly I'm not entirely sure on how my way is better, but I have a belief that violence isn't the only answer. I don't know the inter workings of how it works, so I can't properly debate you on this point.

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Your next paragragh needs some grammer checking as well, and I can't even understand it.

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My point is: Do not be a "grammar Nazi". You assume he feels like giving you the "time of day" to proofread.

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"The CIA must operate within the law.." - Former President Jimmy Carter, trying to solve an old problem. ;)

FYI, I learned that its spelled both Moslem, and Muslim, so I often get them confused.

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Well. Two different spellings in the same post. It is... artistic?
His points are clear, and if you continue to say that they aren't then you have to admit something. Your reading comprehension skill is lacking. Oh no! No, you'll never admit that. So admit this: you were just being a "smartass", again.

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"The CIA must operate within the law.." - Former President Jimmy Carter, trying to solve an old problem. ;)

People just want to have fun and give money to anyone as long as they are happy at the expense of others. Some slaves are taken even younger than 10 years old.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3062297,00.html
"mainstream Israeli Jewish society ignores the rape-for-profit of predominantly Christian East European sex slaves within their country, “because these women are not human beings. They are foreign women.
The religious (rabbi) prefer it to be with foreign women because they don’t wrong Jewish women.”
How nice of them for the rabbis. As many in the forum have said they are just like Christians. If they were then they would have been.
"The U.S. State Department ranks Israel in the second tier of human trafficking around the world, saying the Jewish State does not maintain minimal conditions"
It should not happen at all, but a lot that country does makes Sin City look like a moral city. Even the president of that country is in trouble for raping a girl and most government officials are under investigation. But they get the most money form US tax $.
HEY YOU GUYS SUPPORT IT and you know who you are.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3071965/
"made me clean the toilet with my tongue. It was horrible and dirty. He made me lick another girl’s … you know, down there. And then he laughed.”"
"“You’re talking about big international organizations,” "

"Ethnic Albanian rebels in Kosovo, Macedonia and south Serbia — long the masters of drug running in the Balkans — are deeply involved in the human smuggling business, using the flesh trade to fund their separatist movements."
Hey the US gave money to them to kill Christians Serbs, it’s a good thing they found a new job to make money. Thanks Clinton and can't wait till Hillary messes things up and bombs another Christian nation that get supported by Christians in the US.

People minds become distorted it seems in society with sex and they let it happen. But as bad as those slaves are living a slave wages to have over 85% of Americans in debt and they will do anything to feed their family even if it means getting the cheapest product made by countries that support all these horrific acts.

We are in trouble in many ways.

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"Matthew 16:18 I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." "7 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"
:pI may be outnumbered but not out gunned.

Perhaps it is me, and my Reading Comprehesion is wrong, and I am being a Smartass. Then would you be a kind fellow, and have patience with me, and help me to understand what I don't right now.

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"Frogs and Fauns! The tournament!" - Professor Winneynoodle/HanClinto
I reserve the full right to change my views/theories at any time.

We.
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There is no way of "exterminating evil". Do we just have to live with it and look the other way? I have no idea.

Mene-Mene: That is supposed to be "eat and sleep".
Until you point out something else you don't understand, I can't help you much more. I'm not going to paraphrase his entire post.

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"Frogs and Fauns! The tournament!" - Professor Winneynoodle/HanClinto
I reserve the full right to change my views/theories at any time.

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"In the end we may try to make things good where we eat and sleep, but if there are 9 others there that don't care then it doesn't matter. I can give an answer on what to do but no one will accept that Christian answer."

Or in other words. It is like protecting the environment how 1 person won’t throw poison in the pond but if 9 others do then it’s pointless no matter how much you try. As for the answer, it would be for people to be Christians and not just any Christian, hint hint.

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Some might want to kill the bad guys but then you would be considered an anti-semite or antisemite since religious views also play a part. Come on a rabbi taking part? what does that say?

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I share your distaste for Protestant "Christianity", but I do not share your love of the Orthodox church. I think all organized, institutionalized religion leads to corruption.

Later tonight or this weekend I will read more about Orthodox Christianity so I won't have to speak out of ignorance. For now, please try to tolerate it. It isn't often that an American is exposed to "Orthodoxy", so we actually have to hit the 'net and read. :-p

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One thing I don't understand, is why so many 'Christians' are afraid of violence. I believe it is because they are too religious. Don't go with what is 'politically correct' in the Christian world. Violence is not wrong, and we should not let others take advantage of us while we just sit back and pray that they go easy.

Also, in reading your first post I noticed that you specified that they are Christians. Are you saying that anyone lesser than a Christian deserves to be enslaved, or that we needn't worry about them?

Ill never put money into the pockets of these people who make a business of freeing slaves, or taking care of children in Africa. (Although I do trust Audio Adrenaline in their 'Hands and Feet Project')

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Also many of those that partake in the sex slave you have to admit are not Christian church going people and many people in those things are secular that are very much against Christianity. even the porno industry has the same type of people which many secular people that started it said they want to give it to white Christians to hurt them. Now what kind of thinking is that? Even atheism is a religion as stated by the court and religion is generally a way of life for many. You can also say that society has become more secular in who runs it and look how the morals of society turned out.

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It's not about violence since protestants birthright came from violence if you look at the history. Without uinchristian action protestantism would not be around.

But if you mean modern day people they take it too the extreme to not fight and will not fight because they are afraid to sin but they commit more sin by not righting since they distort the bible. Even the Orthodox Serbs try to defend themselves against Muslim invaders and the Protestant in the US bomb to let the Muslims take over. Real Christians can not win when weak christians run things. Or you have bin laden that was trained by the US and funded by the US to go against orthodox people in Russia while the government was Secular. In that instance you have a 4 way dance with protestants leader, Muslims mercenaries, secularists leaders, and orthodox slaves/presents.
So you can say that atheists act more Christian sometimes. lol

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There will always be evil, as long as humans exist. I see no practical end to this, so for now I'm done speculating. I try not to fall into the cliche' "secularist" mindset of "having fun while you can" or "all for one", but it is often hard to see the purpose of behaving any other way.

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Thats my opinion.

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"Matthew 16:18 I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." "7 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"
:pI may be outnumbered but not out gunned.

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What? No religion? Isn't a belief in God mean a person is religious? You mean there is something other than religion?

Frankly, yes.

God is not religious. Religion is something people made up. Acting or looking a certain way. Doing or not doing certain things and rituals.

History is full of bloody acts and wars in the name of religion. From the Inquisition to Hitler, religion has always played a part in misery and murder in the history of the world.

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• Religion is our attempt to reach God while Christ is God's attempt to reach us
• You can have a personal relationship with God through Christ
• Religion requires you to be something you are not
• Following religion makes hippocrates out of everyone
• Religion makes a hard life even harder
• Religion seeks to hide truth
• Religion makes it easy to deceive ourselves
• Religion makes a lot out of very little
• Religion seeks to be approved of men instead of God
• Religion seeks to enslave us through rules and rituals
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One thing I don't understand, is why so many 'Christians' are afraid of violence. I believe it is because they are too religious. Don't go with what is 'politically correct' in the Christian world. Violence is not wrong, and we should not let others take advantage of us while we just sit back and pray that they go easy.

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Nothing new. I am not giving a penny since that is not the answer. The white Christian orthodox sex slave trade is far worse than that which not mentioned for many good reasons and getting worse every year. Muslim countries and Israel and the top offenders for slavery. One reason is that it's ok to rap a Christian since they are animals and it would be bad to rape their own. Taking Orthodoxy christians as sex slaves is a Billion $ industry and the best clients are Muslims, Jews, and Anglo Saxons, that are run by mainly Muslims and Jews as stated on BBC and Israeli news papers. If you want a news link go fish first.

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it's like you don't want to help them just because they are black,or you feel like there are more dictators and wars and poverty in europe than in africa.

we all know that the money will do more than help, the ten dollars you give now can help an entire family with food for a couple of days or a tent to live in or a medicine that might save a 1 year old babys life.

i don't know why you don't want us to help these people warsong even if they weren't Christian, how can your conscious let you do something luxiorious or waste your money on something you don't need, while all you had to do to save a life was give some money you don't need, would giving $45 kill you?? or make you poor, or even prevent you from having as much food or worldly luxury as you want???
wouldn't you rather save a life?? i mean you don't even want that money(i am assuming that you are not poor here) .

i have absolutley no right to say if someone is a Christian or not, but i wouldn't dare call you my brother because you rather see a baby die or a wo men raped rather than see them saved because they are black.

you know if we could help any of the people in sufferage in europe we should, do they need any money?? are they 3rd world countries with no food to eat???

intersting statistics here, unlike you (or any other person living in western world) the average african gets a dollar a day and 90% of the children go to bed hungry, now when an aid organization that has been handling problems like these says , the condition there is bad can you imagine how bad they mean??? i mean you can see people and babies basicaly starve to death. how many meals did you have today? some people there didn't see any food for weeks !!! can you imagine that. what if a person or a baby gets sick, you can't find any cvs or walgreen there . how can you say these things warsong ? how can these words come out of your mouth?
you are talking like the people in europe need more help?? in reality some of the people in sudan and most of africa actually try to get into these countries warsong says are in great distress, some africans would die and are dying trying to get into these european countries , for someone living in africa europe(any part of europe ) is heaven, you can practicaly eat 3 meals a day ,find a place to live,and decent clothing in europe,all you have to do is be in europe for that.
can you imagine a starving sick person being raped and even killed, mostly because he/she is a Christian, i even wonder if hitler would help these africans(probably not), but anyways a human is dying and we can stop it, i know what you are gonna say ,sure a human is dying everywhere, but the thing is you can stop a raping or a death just by giving away your money.

personally i'd give my life to save another Christians life,right along $45, would you die to save your own brother?? i would.

is this some sort of a joke or something?? we are talking about $45 here right??

as the matter of fact , Jesus told us to give money or anything to whoever asks of us and not to refuse to give (the last time i checked the Bible), you know all the money and riches you have is given to you by God nothing you have is yours, you shouldn't refuse money like that.

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Ignorance causes there things and people are bombarded with so much nonsense that thing will just get worse. Thing are so messed up only GOD can fix.

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truly our actions reflect what we believe and as far as i am concerned i believe in a God who exercises kindness, forgiveness,salvation ,justice and righteousness on earth.

and i will do his will, i take no pride in anything i have all is given to me by the grace and mercy of God,and i 'll use it for his will to be done on earth as in heaven,just like i say in my prayers.

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I honestly agree with you warsong. Our money won't help at all. The only thing that can stop that is vigilante justice, but that will mean more violence. Most people are against this.
I say vigilante justice because formal law enforcement is not only weak/non-existent in the heavily afflicted countries, but its also too obvious an obstacle. If you want to really help victims of slave trade, go kill slave traders or "kidnap" slaves and free them in another geographic location. "Buying the slaves and freeing them" sounds nice but it just makes the problem worse. You'd be pumping money into an already booming "industry". You may save a few individuals but you are potentially enslaving countless others.

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Being a vigilante won't help also. Each country should have the power to do what they can and let their people have a real democracy. Orthodox countries for example are threatened by US policies if they take any action since the people they want to kick are citizens of US allied countries. In other words if you mess with US and its friend you get treated like Serbia and get bombed back to the stone age, if you don't then you can live longer being a slave. Good thing US gives money to its allies and let's things happen.

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as for the Jewish problem, i don't see them any different than any other people and if you want to talk about horrible stories there are much more worse around the planet,i can tell you as much horrible stories as google can find.

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I share your distaste for Protestant "Christianity", but I do not share your love of the Orthodox church. I think all organized, institutionalized religion leads to corruption.

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i have a great distaste for lies and false preachin and wolves in sheep clothing .
all religion except the one headed by Christ is corrupt and evil.
Christ told us when we worship him it's best if we do it together, and he told us that he'd be presen even if 2 people are gathered, the reason there is a need for a religion such as protestant is to stop the spread of lies and false teachings by false teachers( catholic,ortodox) if it wasn't for us these teachings would have stolen every soul form Christ, our religion is organized and our Leader is Christ.don't mess with us because that is messing with our Leader and messin with him is messin with his Father.

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One thing I don't understand, is why so many 'Christians' are afraid of violence. I believe it is because they are too religious. Don't go with what is 'politically correct' in the Christian world. Violence is not wrong, and we should not let others take advantage of us while we just sit back and pray that they go easy.

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forgiveness is what makes our religion different,if you read just one or two of the Gospels of the New Testament you would see what i mean.
as Jesus put it if a Master forgives a servant and a servant goes out and says he won't forgive his fellow servants then how can the master still have mercy on him??
i'd like to mention Biblical references but since many of you already read the Bible it may seem as if i was considering myself more knowlegable,or superior.
and i don't think i have a strong enough base in the word of the Lord to go out preaching and all. but if you want me to backup my words with the Holy Word( Bible) then i will.

it is not being weak when you forgive,if that's true then are you saying Jesus was weak when he didn't get himself down from that cross??

nobody is afraid of violence,even people who have seen the worst of violence still try to make an even worse violence in return, violence is a weapon of satan,mankind has no authority to excercise violence at will, if God doesn't give you excplicit permission or your life or somebody elses life is endangered then you have no right to be violent,if you are violent then that is a trasgression against God.
violence is justified at times ,nobody said violence is absolutley wrong,but it is wrong when you are violent against your fellow humans, when you are suppose to be a peacemaker and you are a violence maker then you are the enemey of God.

it's always easier to be the guy who starts a fight rather than being the guy who stops it, if you ask me people who make violence are the ones who are scared, you are scared of peace and humbleness.

violence is always a last option.

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Also many of those that partake in the sex slave you have to admit are not Christian church going people and many people in those things are secular that are very much against Christianity. even the porno industry has the same type of people which many secular people that started it said they want to give it to white Christians to hurt them. Now what kind of thinking is that?......

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I used to think about these things frequently, but I've chosen to disassociate myself with religion in general. I used to say "but I still believe in God", but now I don't have a full understanding of my own beliefs. Sadly, that statement alone takes my word down a peg in this community. "CCN" is really the last shred of religion in my life, and I claim no moral high ground. Does this remove my right to speculate? I don't think so.
There will always be evil, as long as humans exist. I see no practical end to this, so for now I'm done speculating. I try not to fall into the cliche' "secularist" mindset of "having fun while you can" or "all for one", but it is often hard to see the purpose of behaving any other way.

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one thing here your life is not a joke you know,someday you will die. stop playing with your soul man, don't be a "lukewarm".
a servant cannot serve two masters if you serve mammon/satan/wicked one/ the king of the world , then you are the enemy of god you are for satan,
it seems you have no clue what being born again means. it means you live your ways your life your personality you give up everything and say to God i am a sinner i have sinned i believe in Christ ,have mercy on me, save me by your grace, you win i lose. Christianity is for losers ,you can't have pride(which is a sin ) be an earthly person and excpect to have any mercy from him,i am by no way saying that you will go to hell or Heaven but the law is the law.
Jesus said if you Love me you will keep my words. i keep his words because i Love him and i want to be with him forever in the kingdom of Heaven.

and that link you posted is a false teaching, stop looking in google to find your answers start searching in the Bible.

i could absolutley disprove each and every false teaching in that link using just the word of God.

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Whose Son Is the Christ

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Wouldn't it be worth that 45$ just to free your father for pain, or your mother, or your brother, or your sister, or your son, or your daughter. But this isn't only 1 hour, its longer, its for their lifetime.

As for your 1 person thingy, the world is made up 1 persons. G. W. Bush is 1 Person, The guy who got the Anti-Slavery law passed witin the British Empire was 1 Person.

I share your dislike of Anti-Jesus Protestant Leaders, but I do not share your dislike of anything non-orthodox.

If you want me to express my questions about Orthodoxy, I will in another thread.

As for the middle man, this church buys its own planes, and has its own partners. As far as I know, there is no middle man.

Goop: Whats up with you? You are tearing people down not building them up. War isn't wrong when it is God inspired. Follow his leading, and violence can be appropriate, however don't use violence when its unnecessary. I mean if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek and let is slide of your back. If someone shoots your family, you can disarm them.

I'm not saying that anyone lesser than a Christian deserves to be enslaved, but its an urge both ways to free them. Free the Christians because they are you Fathers, Mothers, Brothers, Sisters, Sons, Daughters, Uncles, Aunts, Cousins, your family. Free the Non-Christians that they may see the light of Christ and be saved while there still is time.

Why are you so against people who are using THEIR planes, and THEIR people to buy the slaves freedom? This is a chruch BTW.

Crazy: Hmm... Why are you starting to disassociate your self with God. Its not about religion (as many believe) but about a Personal relationship with God. What you call religion is the acts and expressions in a unified environment of a personal relationship with God. I agree there will always be evil, but that doesn't free us from our responsibility of helping our family in slavery.

Warsong: I wouldn't quite say that the Bible says not to help other before you help yourself. The way I interpreted it, was that, "Dude, you're so crazy! (No offense Crazy) You yell, rebuke, and correct others for misspelling God's name, when you use His name in vain all the time".

I can partially agree with that, you just gotta do the best that you can do, but wouldn't it be worth far more than it costs to help your physical family from 1 hour of pain? These are your family as much as your physical is!

Goop:
I fully agree, a belief in God is not religion, its friendship and the following of his ways, its discipleship.

Laz:
Be the best you can be, but also help other additionally, thats my opinion. Build eachother up, its faster.

Spade:
I'm guilty of holding this in, but I was once more presented with the facts, and I then wrote this, I'll take some of my Ideas, and stuff I agree with I think, and make an article.

I'm reading this and totally agreeing.

Every year I've given a collection of money to this organization to free slaves along with my sister.

Actually its the church partners, and the church's planes, but that doesn't really matter.

Ok, just reached your counter to me. Actually according to the teachings of the Koran, the Islams are to be kind to the "people of the book". I'm not saying anything about me, if I was the only person in the world I would help. I just don't understand how it is that through all the racism in the world, how blacks seem to sometimes only care for blacks, that its the white boys who help the blacks. I'm not saying only someone should help only, I'm just seeing few black leaders on the news/internet talking about this. It wasn't neccessary.

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if you can save a life using a gun then it is completly justified and helpful. yes if you mess withh the u.s. you are in deep trouble, and remember that every authoritie on earth have been put in place by God.
and thank God for u.s. bombing serbia now there is no more genocide like the one there. if any ortodox country(or any other) tries to kill an entire race of people then u.s. should bomb them back, somebody has to stand up for those who are without defense.

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and the people being enslaved ,raped,killed etc....are Christians.

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sure a human is dying everywhere, but the thing is you can stop a raping or a death just by giving away your money.

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if you want to talk about horrible stories there are much more worse around the planet,i can tell you as much horrible stories as google can find.

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and that link you posted is a false teaching, stop looking in google to find your answers start searching in the Bible.

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Oh dear! I just realized that was directed toward me, and not the "horrible stories"! Please make a point of directing it toward me next time.
That link is definatly NOT a false teaching. Do you truly believe that you have to look a certain way, or do certain things to be a Christian? As I have said, the general 'this is what you have to do to be Christian' belief is wrong.

Actually I'm saying all this, but you haven't told me why exactly you think its a false teaching. Id like to know that before saying any more about it.

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I reserve the full right to change my views/theories at any time.

the thing i am saying here is if someone is defenseles(like the people being wiped out by the serbs here) then it is completely justified to stop the killer, if you don't you are guilty of letting them die. the u.s. was justified in saving the lives of people who were about to be extriminated by the radical ortodox dictator-led armies( the priests actually blessed the soldiers before going to the homes of the people and shooting the men and the boys on the back[after tieing them up].

another situation is if God commanded you,like he commanded the Israelites to kill all the amalekites, the article above will really explain it.

and further more the turn the other cheek thing is to avoid violence and to be forgiving. if violence is being directed at someone defenselese(or you) and the life of that person is endanger then you should definitley help, if you don't you are just as a murderer as the person who killed them(maybe less i don't know).
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and that link you posted is a false teaching, stop looking in google to find your answers start searching in the Bible.

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i really have to go now i'll edit the post later on, there was this encounter i wanted to really share with you guys but i have to go for now.......

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Matthew(22:36-40)"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Whose Son Is the Christ

ok let's answer some of the false teachings ,crazishone:

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What? No religion? Isn't a belief in God mean a person is religious? You mean there is something other than religion?

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ok remember when Jesus went to the great temple (at Jerusalem and made my king Solomon , i believe) and Jesus saw people selling stuff and doing generaly sinful stuff? well Jesus basically threw away the things they selled with he basically kicked them all out, he said they made the temple of his Father a den of theives.

the very fact that you say God is not religious means you haven't read most of the Bible or your belief is based upon what people told you and not what you found out and also, if you don't read the Bible then you don't know God of the Bible,don't go around assuming that God wants this or that don't assume everything you need is provided for you in the Bible if you don't get it pray for understanding.and that also means you are worshipping a God of your own and not the God of the Bible, that is idolatry(not judging here just guiding).

ok then it goes on to say......

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Frankly, yes.

God is not religious. Religion is something people made up. Acting or looking a certain way. Doing or not doing certain things and rituals.

History is full of bloody acts and wars in the name of religion. From the Inquisition to Hitler, religion has always played a part in misery and murder in the history of the world.

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and yes history is full of wars and genocides and terrors in the name of religion that is a result of false teachings such as catholicism(like the crusaders who killed all muslims they found in the name of Christ) or orthodoxy(killing of all the muslims that persecuted them in the past instead of forgiving).
see the thing is you can easily disprove a false teaching like these ones but the real false teachers are yet to come the Bible warns us of those like the site you gave us link to,they basically tell you a religion that has it's roots since the birth of the world is false because that is what most people want to hear , sinners(all people including me and you ,according to the Bible) generally like to thin what the did is right, we like to think what is convenient for us not the Truth Jesus said he is the way , the Truth and The Life , and none shall go to the Father except through him, those are the words of Jesus Christ and any body that tells you other wise ,like worship in man made saints , angels(which are created and therefore shouldn't be worshipped[according to their own words]) or you should worship mary to get forgiveness(who is a human and doesn't say so in the Bible) they basically tell you ,you are suppose to be a cetain way.
i don't know about the orthodox religion but the catholic got messed up when all the pops got control of power and they basically forbid people from having the Bible and made up saints so that the people would worship them and added lots of fake stuff like purgatory,nine levels of hell, ....etc. they tell you to act and do a cetain way then you go to heaven. but some people that use to be members of the catholic Church got hold of the actual Bible and by the grace of God they understood it and found all the false teachings of the catholic Church(which still exists until now) then they protested (hence protestant) against the false teachings after that they were persecuted and some of them made it and stuck in the northern parts of europe(or so i heard) and the rest fled to the new foundland of the time (u.s. America).

see the thing is if you want the truth all you have to do is look for it with a truly seeking heart, don't look for what makes sense to you or for what is convenient for either your current belief or you current way of life,seek for it with a heart that just wants to know the truth, the truth is found in the Bible written by the hands of men but breathed by the Holy Spirit. just read the Bible man you will see how every word in that site you showed me is wrong. i want to tell you something very important here man, according to the Bible all have sinned and fall short for the glory of God. that means you and me and every other human is going to hell.

the question now is how do save ourselves from hell? well some people say that you should do good and be all righteous and just go to Church, be nice to people and all.. but that is wrong whatever you do you cannot do somethng that will make you worhy of Heaven,think about it man you are talking about Heaven, we are dark an we cannot stand in the light to be in the light we have to be of light. we have sinned we have done what satan told us instead of what God told us we are the enemies of God we deserve every bit of punishment the satans should get,
so how do you escape death(which means hell) , well how did people in the Old Testament got saved?? well they offered sinless clean pure creatures(such as lambs,goats ,etc...) they sacrificed those creatures which are pure to die instead of them so that the purity of the animals may get them repentanc by paying for their sins,in other words the animals died for the sake and forgiveness of a human. well things weren't working well satan basically controlled the rest of the non-Jewish world and the Jews weren't doing too good of a job following the laws given to moses. and the thing is God really really loves us, he is the God who made love, can you imagine that he is the creator,he created everything and he made it good (because he is good and perfect) then satan was the cheif and most high angel God made,his name was lucifer(morning star) which means he was really great, then he got obssesed with power then amazingly he thought he could overcome his creator take over heaven and make everything for him,then he started a rebillion against the mighty God and ofcourse lost, then he was banned for eternal punishment, but the thing is he knew the one thing God really likes , his lambs,his friends ,his servants adam and eve so he decieved adam and eve to do what God has commanded them not to do.
therefore making them transgressors against God, they didn't trust in God and they trusted the words of satan and ate that fruit. that is why we are here now, we had everything and we lost it, we were decieved by the deciever he is trying to take the one thing God loves, that is the only way he can hurt God. God can't force you to love him, what is the point of making someone your friend or your lover by force. would you do it? is that not evil to make someone love you by force? well God can't make you love him therefore he cannot interfere with your free will , either you succeed in what adam and eve failed to do(trust God) and go to heaven or go to hell.
now comes another question, what do you trust God with?? well you should trust that he is a faithful God of Truth, and every single words he speaks are True and it is impossible for him to speak a lie. which means every word of the Bible is the True Correct word of God.

now comes the question what about our sins?? well the answer to that is By the Grace of God a sacrifice has already been made. that sacrifice is Jesus Christ, he was a pure creation, he never sinned ,never did anything wrong, he was the Son of God, he was absolutley pure and he was the last person that should die the death of a human. well God loved us (sinneres) so much, he wanted to be with us so much , he wanted to be our friend so much that he gave his only son the only one he had to save us from our greatest enemies, Jesus Christ died on the cross voluntarily ,he volunteered to die in our place, he paid the penalty of a sinner while he hasn't sinned.
but the thing is he didn't die so that all people who are sinners just go to Heaven, imagine how horrible that would be , that would be forgiving people like hitler . he died for the sake of all who believe in his name and do the will of him and his Father. if you do what he tells you to do then you are his friend ,mother and sister all at once to him(according to his words). but if you are not and you refuse forgiveness then that is really bad,specially if you have read the gospel or the teachings of a Christian, and rejected Christ and went to hell, he says it is better than the people of soddom and gomora than for people who reject Christ.
he gives forgiveness for all who are babtized and believe in him.

but if you are forgiven and knowingly(which means consciousley) do somethin g against his teachings or against the will of his Father then that is a sin again.

words don't mean much anyone can say they believe in him but is that just the mouth or the heart and the soul too?

if you know him, if you have seen how much grace mercy and love he has towards us you can't really prevent yourself from loving him,imagine how many times you have sinned? Jesus is saying here i am on the cross i died for you,he died for us personally, he didn't die for all of the world but for those who believe in him(even in his name),can you imagine that, he just opened his arms out and died for us,that is how great our sins are, because we are/were/and probably will be for sometime to come , followeres of satan because we have betrayed the trust and eternal love and joy of our creator he has no choice but to punish us,because we are criminals, i mean let's say there was a criminal and the judge lets him go because he liked the criminal or because the judge is so forgiving, what kind of a judge would that be? the answer is a corrupt judge, but God is not corrupt,he is Just and Perfect and he will judge as perfectly, and our just and fair judgment is eternal damnation. so what can God do to save those he loves? the only choice was to give us his only pure son, we killed/sacrificed Jesus Christ, can you imagine how much he must love us??

man what a Great Mighty ,Just ,Loving GOD we have .

but the thing here is satan won' t give up so easy, he will keep trying and battling and we need the help of God to battle him back. how can you do that without a religion?? the thing that false article doesn't tell you is the world belongs to satan(now) he is called the king of the world, he calls sinners his horses ,and he doesn't even show mercy to those whom he rides even if their back is bleeding. but our GOD is saying to us let me carry you.

and if you say you don't want him to carry you and you'd rather be ridden like a toy, and if you reject the blood of Christ and walk on it like it is nothing, then you are as much of an enemy of God as the next demon.

GOD is GOD of the universe and you really don't want to make an enemy out of him , so i'd suggest you try to find the truth by yourself rather than what others tell you. the truth is there whether you believe in it or not, you will die someday (just like anybody else here) and you will face judgment, the question is will you be in the right hand of God or in the left??

satan is doint the same tricks he has been doing since adam and eve he is trying to make you think that you serve your God (or a God) and he tries to sell to you that if you do it a certain way it doesn't really matter, the job of demons is they get in your mind and try to justify the sins and disbeliefs they are making, and satan is the master of these things, he can even appear as the angel of light he was if he wanted to, it really isn't surprising how he reasons with people by telling them stuff like evolution,big bang,etc... he sells you buy,if you don't buy he tells you something you buy and he sells his darkness with it . and darkness cannot enter Heaven so he wins.

from what i can see the guy who wrote that stuff on that site is a real modern age false preacher, he is telling you that religion is all about making your life better, while in reality you will face much more persecution and trouble when you are a real believer,the purpose of religion was never to make someones life better, it is to save people and serve God. this guy really can convince peole who are looking for something to believe in,but he certainly can't fool anyone with any knowlege of the Bible(even a person who just knows the basics like me).

basically man i didn't mean to make such a long lecture that even bored me but the thing is playing with your soul is really dangerous, i mean think about it where will you be 24,000,000 years from now??? would what you did on earth really be going to hell over?

if i was you i would just look for the truth, i am not asking you to be a protestan or a catholic or anything else just find the truth, there are many false teachers out there and the Bible tells us that we can see them by their fruits, and the fruits of the people who you are saying to follow certainly is bad so i said i'd address most of the points there so here it comes:

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ofcourse it does you are a sinner an you deserve to go to hell, that is why you should repent and leave your old self and become a new one,forsake all evil and sin and follow the ways of Jesus Christ and be absolutley loyal to Christ ,God and the kingdom of Heaven.

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for people who just want to start out that is true , i know i have been mad a hypocrite just today, i did somethin real horrible but that is a whole new topic,maybe i should write a small article about it.

but anyways , when you become a believer your faith doesn't dramaticaly grow it grows through time,but if you try to do things of the world and be a Christian that is a contradiction by itself.

religion mostly makes you a hippocrate if you follow people instead of Christ if you follow him then you will have no pride(because all you have is given to you and pride is a sin) ,you cannot boast about anything you have(except the Almighty God) and you don't make false promises, the Bible tells us to not judge so you wont judge and you shouldn't call yourself righteous because only Christ know that,a person who follows a religion is a person trying to get close to God, by the blood of Christ(if you are a Christian) and trying to obey and keep the words of God(and Christ).

and if a person fails he isn't being a hypocrate he is just failing.

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Christs aim was never to make your life better but to save you from death.
if you want a better life on earth ask satan ,i'm sure he'll give you the world if you serve him right(ofcourse he'll make you work hard for it too)
but as it is written in the Bible, for what would a man gain if he gains the whole world and lost his soul?

think about that question.

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and don't let them make Christ as a means of justifying their sins and actions , just like every human they are sinners and if you believe you are saved by the grace of God and not by your own effort.

this people tell you the truth and mix it with lies that are sweet to your earthly sinful ears.

they don't tell you to change, they change God and make a God of their own instead of being accepted they try to make God accept them(which is ridiculous) .

my advice to you is plane and simply "seek the Truth,the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth" so help you God Almighty.

you know the thing with God is you change not him,he tells you what to do not the other way around , he is God and you are man, he is the creator and you are the created , he is the forgiver and you are the forgiven,he is the worshiped and you are the worshiper.

you know man,look at a believer , any believer, what do you see? i see a free person who cannot die.

everyone else dies the death.

at the end of the day it's your choice, either go to Heaven or hell,either Happiness or sorrow,either Good or bad, joy or sadness, kindness or cruelity.

you know there is a saying, when you let the length of a rope on which a chicken is tied on longer, the chicken thiks it's free.

you were born into slavery,man wake up.

you know maybe this site maybe helpful,
http://www.wayofthemaster.com

maybe you should take the good person test on that site(it doesn't tell you results, you judge yourself).

anyways man, i am a neophyte Christian,i live and God willingly will die for Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

i didn't mean to make such a long post, i know some people here are just to stubborn to see the truth, but many people will look at this forums and threads and i cant just let false teaching spread while i can stop it, i'd really prefer not posting hours but my conscious won't let me.
how can i just let someone say believing in Christ is wrong,or religion is wrong,or racism is justified,or genocide is justified.

i really didn't mean to make such a long post,i apologize for that.

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Whose Son Is the Christ

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ok let's answer some of the false teachings ,crazishone:

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Mean somebody else? I didn't say any of that and I don't participate in theological debates.

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Your opinion is ignoring a lot of facts. If you are a Christian which is almost seems you are not in how you talk the apostles were priests of the Christian religion and they stopped other fake Christian sects. Religion is a belief to live by to help guide you. Your comments are just another example why Protestants are not united but divided. And as the saying goes divide and conquer which is why Protestants are easily manipulated my secularists since they have no real foundation.

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I am not reading your post since I will be doing in correcting misunderstanding and you will reply with more things you misunderstood. Your wrong assumptions are distorting your conception of things. You admit you don’t know much about another religion so sit back and listen. You are mostly in the position to ask questions than state a point, and if you are humble enough you would understand that.

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The middle men are them. Not like you are giving the money to the people straight. Maybe they do have it well organized but I don’t weigh much from a renegade Christian community. If it makes you feel good then go ahead but there are countless of people to say so matter how much money we throw. Even Bill gates throws money down the drain ($50 billion) when donating to Africa and the more he gives the worse it becomes for Africans since many of the warlords and rulers take the money so that the people get oppressed more so that they ask for more money. The best thing to do with Africa is to let them fend for themselves and not adopt or give billions since they admit things are getting worse by the year which there has been reports about how donating money makes things worse. It may make you feel good but in the end it makes them worse. One step forward 2 steps back.

As for non orthodox point you made. Well this is how I see it, if you were an early Christian with the apostles working with them and you see many Christian sects coming out you would tell them not. As stated in the other post about tradition how others come forth trying to spread Christianity in their own way and the apostles said not to listen to them and says “Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.” If we take today’s ideology back then 2000 years ago Gnostics and all other fake Christian’s sects would be thriving even though they are not the real thing and teach something else. I just don’t like people taking the original and official Christianity and they say they have it while doing what they please. If they want a religion they can be like the Muslims and say they believe in Christ and add whatever they want. I find different sects an insult to Christianity. Muslims at least have the decency to say they are not Christian while they forcefully convert, too bad others don’t have while they forcefully convert and the name of Christianity down. Many can say they are Christians which is fine but I will not give my support for the religion being Christian since it goes against the original churches actions. Even I am not allowed to partake in non orthodox Christian creaminess since it is an insult to my religion since I am validating it and not even the apostles validated other fake Christian sects which they terminated.
As for the other comments sorry for the misunderstanding.

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I'm understanding your other comments, its not entirely the protestant theories that you agree with, but the fact of the division between what you think (don't take this as I disagree with it) the apostles said. As well as the division of the sects.

I also disagree with the division of the sects, and it does create a bad face for Christianity to be so divided. I also disagree with actions not following words.

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I reserve the full right to change my views/theories at any time.

The things you have said go along with that article quite well, but you are held back by that one word. Try reading it again, but this time, try not to replace 'religion' with 'Christianity'.

By the way, your posts are very difficult to read. If you could separate the chunks a bit more, and try not to use commas where periods should be it should help

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“Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”

Obviously care for others but take care of yourself first before you help others is all I was saying.

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A n00b is an annoying person who enjoys being destructive.
A newbie is a person who is new to something, and possibly enjoys being creative.

when i came to Christ, i came to him because he saved my life(long long story), he literally saved my life. i live for him now and if it is his will i'd like to die for the sake of his glory someday.

if it wasn't for my Church i'dn't have gotten where i am today, who is gonna preach to you if you don't have a religion??

how are you going to worship God?? alone?? what would God want you worshipping him together with your fellow Christian brothers or you worshipping him alone??

how and for whom are you going to give your offerings?? how are you going to spread the word?? you know Christianity is more than saving yourself,after you are saved you have to get others saved too.

how are you going to evangelize?? how are you going to get Babtized(and Babtize)?? how are you going to support other Christians?? how are you going to help those who need help if you don't even have an organization(right along if you are alone)?? the social life of Christianity is very important. the brotherhood we show to each other is the what makes us different, that's one of the ways we are the light to the world.

look here,if you are serious about your faith,start following what Christ said, there are lots of false preachers out there,the only defense you have against them is the Bible,look at what the Bible tells you to be and do and follow it,don't let a person like the one above mislead you.
what i said above was by no means an argument, you asked a question,i felt like you were being mislead and i tried to show you the right way.
i don't excpect any replies from you if you accept it accept it other wise that is your own choice.
i'm not trying to make to make any arguments here, i have decided that is wrong, i am firm and stand strong in my beliefs ,if you want to listen to the Truth i'll tell you otherwise there is nothing to argue about the Truth.
i know the Truth and i'm not letting anyone tell me otherwise.

things get said in arguments like these that we might regret later on, some of them lead us to sin . some of them lead us to make others sin.

i do regret my previous arguments,and i apologize for participating in any, they have led me to sin and i have led the people who argued with me to sin .
i'll not be involved in any religious arguments any time soon.

warsong:
if you are viewing this post please don't try to make anymore offensive remarks (religion based) in any of your posts, at the times i was arguing with you i was mostly emotionally outraged,and i said some remarks about you and your faith, correct or not i shouldn't have said those remarks,i have sinned in saying those insults towards you and maybe others. and in replying to me you have said somethings that maybe wrong(i can't judge you or anyone here and say you have sinned,i don't know wheter you sinned or not). personally i apologize to you guys and anyone else that viewed these posts of mine, i also asked the Lord of forgiveness for being involved in these arguments.

sometimes i felt like i was standing up for my Lord, sometimes i was just trying to prove my beliefs(which i shouldn't), and sometimes i was just boasting about myself(using my religion) instead of boasting about my religion using myself.

i also made a hypocrit out of myself in these threads,i have learned from my mistakes and i shall move on .

being involved in topics like these has also pulled me back in my walk in Jesus.

it really isn't worth it,this is one of those temptations set forth by the devil, when we argue about our beliefs we can sometimes lose sight of our faith, and all it takes is one second of not looking at the Light at the end of the tunnel(Jesus Christ) to fall back.

i hope you guys don't argue about your faith either,discussions are good but when it comes to our faith we should be really careful.

again sorry for what i did.

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Matthew(22:36-40)"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

[This message has been edited by spade89 (edited February 17, 2007).]