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Profiling good sterotype healthy – warsong




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In some ways profiling / stereotyping is natural, healthy, and logical.Why you might ask. well lets look at the logical side.

Some say not to stereotype of profile but if we look at things as the saying goes for justice to be blind then you see and understand the logic into it.

Well one way to show this is with an extreme example which will turn off some since as not nice as it is it's just what it is. It's not being nice to the truth that helps makes things worse than looking or fixing at the issue.

Well one example is race how certain people are targeted more. Now I say that's right if the stats fit the action. I think air points should target Semite looking people more than little white kids or old ladies. Kind of silly how Al gore was frisked in the air port to show that they are doing their jobs but that just shows that they are not doing their job right. Their was an AlGoRithm that determines who is a suspect which worked but many people say it discriminates and those wimps got what they wanted to have 2 plans hit the towers. People should stop acting like little kids and grow up and see the facts for what they are and then they can solve it that make it goes to be worse.

No offense but this is the out of the NY Daily news.
I will edit since some are illogical.
"As long as (Robot A) commit crime in numbers wildly disproportionate to their representation in the population, police data are going to show disproportionate involvement with (Robot A). And according to victims and witnesses, (Robot A) committed 68.5% of all murders, rapes, robberies and assaults in New York last year, though they are only 24% of the city's population. (Robot B ), who make up 34.5% of New Yorkers, committed 5.3% of those crimes. In other words, violent crimes are nearly 13 times more likely to be committed by (Robot A) than by (Robot B ) - all according to victim identifications."

Kind of like saying if cookie A has more flavor than cookie B then people will choose cookie A to buy more. It is safer for a child to handle smooth objects than sharp ones since stats show they can get injured with sharp objects. Logical right?

Now without looking at the link you should make a rational choice bases on stats. I am not saying anyone is bad just to understand what is going on to help. If we ignore it then we are not helping in the end but hurting when we discriminate against the truth and side with communism to say everything is equal.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/495283p-417314c.html

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[This message has been edited by warsong (edited February 10, 2007).]

Lazarus

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It's true that certain "groups" of people are sometimes found to be responsible for a high percentage of crime in various places.(I hope we agree on that).

(Skipping over the Muslim-Terrorist profiling, which I doubt anyone objects to on here)

It's too bad perps often get off easy based on the outcry of "profiling! discrimination! racism!" by misinformed, ignorant, misguided persons.
(In my humble and quite possibly wrong opinion)

spade89

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race never determines a persons personality if you are talking about crimes most people who take bribes or cops who beat up people or people who invade an entire continent or enslave people based on race or even steal a human being are white people.

if you are talkin about terrorists ira is a large terrorist group,so is eta,and tamil tigers, but they are not muslims.

and not all arabs are muslim too there are many arabs in lebanon and palestine..who are Christian.

as for murders most serial killers are white males,and so are most pedophiles.

you could hardly find a person that isn't a Christian and doesn't commit a crime of some sort.

as far as i can see there are many white criminals out there and so are black people,if two black and white men live in the same neighborhood and are raised there they would grow up to do mostly similar things.

i don't see how you are relating this to their skin color?

if you treat a person like a criminal he would become one.

what problems would stereotype solve? other than creating some.

so you see a bunch of black people robb a grocery store or gang rape a white lady, so you call the next black man you see a rapist robber.

it doesn't matter if 90% of a certain population are criminals that doesn't give anyone any right to discriminate the rest 10%.

ok so if you have the right to call all black people criminals then you should be called a crimnal too.after all most pedophiles ,cannibals,serial killers, slave owners,colonizers,genocidals,land theives,racist people...etc are white people.

maybe a cop should stop you when you drive and check your car for any women you tied up to rape and kill.

when i say you i don't mean just warsong i meant anyone and everyone who says stereo-type is all right.

if you think stereo type is ok, then it should work on you too,not just on the other side.

Jesus made it pretty clear that we shouldn't judge people,right along be prejudist towards them,don't do to people what you don't want to be done on you.


btw, warsong i was being friendly here so don't take much offense on what i said here, i sense lots of pride coming from you,is there anything you are proud of? Christ explicitly told us that pride is wrong.

there is nothing anyone has to be proud of,all things(good) we have is given to us by the Almighty ,Kind ,Purely righteous,Perfect God.


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I didn't mention Muslims. But it is interesting how people put things in their head. But in general I am not talking about genetics but a cultural group. I was relating it to robots. But seriously this is not about race but trying o look at things logically.

Did anyone read the news article link? To understand why?

Reminds me when a police chief came to lecture in a class. He said a story how on a college campus there was a burglary. They go to the victimís dorm room and ask if they know how he looked like. And she said it was a black man with a scratch she gave him on his arm. So the cops go out on the campus looking for ONLY a black man with a scratch on his arm.
Now does anyone have a problem with this? One black girl in the class was mad and said it was racism and could not understand the issue or I think took her a while to understand.

Things are not said in the open as much because of hypersensitive people but many know what is going on. The real sad people are the ones that believe all the BS that is said in the PC mainstream. The point of this exercisers was to not discriminate against LOGIC and to go with emotion.

As for pedophiles they say that gay men are a small percent like %2 I guess and they commit 25 or at most 40% of pedophilia. But PC people say it discriminates against them when they can not adopt kids.

White collar crimes are committed by people that are more secularists than Christian. More poor whites in the US than non whites in the US but still less crimes from them. Some will disagree but they are not taking into account a lot of things like welfare which New Hampshire doesnít have state taxes and so no welfare and that place has mostly white people. Maybe social programs make more crimes lol. The state motto is ďLive Free Or DieĒ Since the whites in most states do not get benefits, discounts, they get taxed more, and have to pay more for things. I don't want to hear disputes since the news stats were out. And this is not about saying one is better than another but about looking at it as face value.

In general bad culture makes things bad. Lack of strong Christian values. Ignoring stats to let things bad happen is bad. In some west Europe countries they are arresting anyone that is a Satanist since many satanic ritual that kill humans for scarifies are found. Itís their belief but still wrong. Another religion says for them to smoke weed and thatís not allowed and that discriminates against their beliefs. The list goes on which in todayís PC society its about being accepting to every ideology no matter how bad it is.

Good thing people can not reach God to make him go to court, or else they would sue God for discrimination.

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"Matthew 16:18 I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." "7 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"
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first of all i said about muslims because laz said it not you , i didn't put anything in my head that wasn't there.

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...But in general I am not talking about genetics but a cultural group. I was relating it to robots. But seriously this is not about race but trying o look at things logically.

i knew you meant that but you can't judge a persons culture just by their skin color. let me give you an example a cop stop and searches a man just because he was black,what if that black dude was one of the orthodox ethiopians you like so much. if he is orthodox then he isn't a criminal or is he??

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Did anyone read the news article link? To understand why?


i didn't .
i didn't have the time to. and i don't see why i should?does it talk about
somethingyou didn't.

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Reminds me when a police chief came to lecture in a class. He said a story how on a college campus there was a burglary. They go to the victimís dorm room and ask if they know how he looked like. And she said it was a black man with a scratch she gave him on his arm. So the cops go out on the campus looking for ONLY a black man with a scratch on his arm.
Now does anyone have a problem with this? One black girl in the class was mad and said it was racism and could not understand the issue or I think took her a while to understand.


well the black girl was wrong and what the cop did wasn't stereotype.
if the girl hadn't told him that a black man was a burglar then it is a stereotype. but if the cop just saw the burglary an automaticaly assumed that the burgalr is black because most people around there who commit burglary are black then that is stereotype.


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Things are not said in the open as much because of hypersensitive people but many know what is going on. The real sad people are the ones that believe all the BS that is said in the PC mainstream. The point of this exercisers was to not discriminate against LOGIC and to go with emotion.


i agree that many people are too emotional when it comes to issues like race ,sex, religion. i know i am very sensitive when it comes to my religion and sometimes i am too emotional. how about you are you not sensitive to these issues.
i can see where that black girl is coming from . when it comes to defending our freedoms all of us are emotional and sensitive.

stereotype is a form of prejudice and prejudice is judging people without knowing them,that is emotional. logic is when you judge someone based on their characters.if you judge them based on the group of people they belong to then you don't know them and that is illogiccal.
if we take the whole meaning of logic mathematicaly,
and the question is x+3=y and you have to find y, logically you say you don't know x therefore you can't find y. but stereotypically you can say y is 5 because most of the times x is 2(just an example here hypothetically speaking).

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White collar crimes are committed by people that are more secularists than Christian. ....


SO...i don't get it. are you saying that all whites are Christian and all non -whites are secular?

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More poor whites in the US than non whites in the US but still less crimes from them. Some will disagree but they are not taking into account a lot of things like welfare which New Hampshire doesnít have state taxes and so no welfare and that place has mostly white people. Maybe social programs make more crimes lol. The state motto is ďLive Free Or DieĒ Since the whites in most states do not get benefits, discounts, they get taxed more, and have to pay more for things. I don't want to hear disputes since the news stats were out. And this is not about saying one is better than another but about looking at it as face value.


i get the feeling that you are saying white culture is better than black culture,i thought you said that all cultures are bad except Christian culture? i get the feeling that you are taking sides here.
the reason that there are more poor whites than poor blacks is because black people are only about 12% of the population(the last time i heard).
my guess is there are more poor whites than total population of blacks.(just a guess)

anyways i don't realy get what you are saying,are you saying that all black people follow the same culture??

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In general bad culture makes things bad. Lack of strong Christian values. Ignoring stats to let things bad happen is bad. In some west Europe countries they are arresting anyone that is a Satanist since many satanic ritual that kill humans for scarifies are found. Itís their belief but still wrong. Another religion says for them to smoke weed and thatís not allowed and that discriminates against their beliefs. The list goes on which in todayís PC society its about being accepting to every ideology no matter how bad it is.


so ,we all know that all cultures that are not Christian are bad,what is your point?are you saying black culture lacks strong Christian value and white culture is absolutley Christian?

as far as satanists are concerned i say lock em up and throw away the keys ,unless they accept Christ later on. anyone who believes the enemy of my God is my sworn absolute enemy.

and what is "PC"??? whatever or whoever pc is what difference does it make who or what pc follows on a Christian? the last time i checked a Christian follows Christ and nobody else but Christ, my belief is based on the Holy Bible not on what other people say or believe, although i do learn and try to follow most of the teachings of the teachings thought in my Church i always make sure it follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. i don't know about you but my belief is not affected by what others follow.

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Good thing people can not reach God to make him go to court, or else they would sue God for discrimination.


first of all don't use God's name in insulting other people, or in other words don't use his name in vain.

second of all how can a God who knows everything be stereotype, stereotype is for people who don't know certain things and therefore assume that something is a certain way based on their emotions,instincts and past experiences. if anyone wanted to sue God (which is unimaginable to do so)that is because they don't know about him. how can you sue someone who knows everything of assumption??

and warsong i know you mean well but try not to ever use God's name in hatred or vain,not only does it offend God it also offends the believers of God ( such as me).

God is perfect and when he judges he judges based on what a person has done not based on what a person will do (unlike humans).

it is impossible for God to discriminate(or be prejudice) because he knows all and he can't pre-judge. because pre doesn't apply to him.

and really let's have a bit more respect to God's name.

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Are you starting up again?
you said "first of all i said about muslims because laz said it not you , I didn't put anything in my head that wasn't there."
Who said anything about you?

I can judge a culture since cultures are flawed and not prefect like Christ. So what I was stopped in a black neighborhood by police and they say why am i doing in a black neighborhood. So what they do their jobs since they expect non blacks to sell drugs to blacks so they stop and ask to see in the car.

You didn't read the link? Well it did explain more but since you didn't read it then I guess I should not read your reply as well.

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spade89

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Are you starting up again?
you said "first of all i said about muslims because laz said it not you , I didn't put anything in my head that wasn't there."
Who said anything about you?


well me an laz were the only ones who were talking on that subject so when you say some people you meant either me or laz and since i was the last poster on that subject then i should assume you were talking about me.
if i was wrong then who were you talking about?

and warsong i don't have any intention of starting anything,try to watch the things you say, now if i was wrong instead of saying a hostile statement like "Who said anything about you ?" you could have said something like "i wasn't talking about you,i was talking about....",

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I can judge a culture since cultures are flawed and not prefect like Christ. So what I was stopped in a black neighborhood by police and they say why am i doing in a black neighborhood. So what they do their jobs since they expect non blacks to sell drugs to blacks so they stop and ask to see in the car.


one thing to ask you here: who gave you the authority to judge people?Christ told us to follow him and not to judge people.

and as for the situation above even if that is on a white person it is still racial profiling(aka. stereotype). what if that white man was you(i am guessing you are not a drug dealer here) you have nothing to do with any drug dealing is it fair that you get stopped just because you were white?
and most drug runners are not whites they are blacks(in black neighborhoods) white drug dealers deal with black drug dealeres and they don't get into each others neighborhoodds.

and i have to ask you one question : why do you think you need stereotyping?

and also you haven't answered my question in my first reply so let me quote myself here:

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btw, warsong i was being friendly here so don't take much offense on what i said here, i sense lots of pride coming from you,is there anything you are proud of? Christ explicitly told us that pride is wrong.

there is nothing anyone has to be proud of,all things(good) we have is given to us by the Almighty ,Kind ,Purely righteous,Perfect God.


and as for this :

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You didn't read the link? Well it did explain more but since you didn't read it then I guess I should not read your reply as well.


fair enough.

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Matthew(22:36-40)"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Whose Son Is the Christ