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luke

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If you look at the last month or two's worth of topics, how many of them are directly related to programming? indirectly? at all? And how many are off-topic spam?

I won't point fingers, but all of us here are part of the problem. Some of us start spam. Some of us reply to spam. Some of us don't start good topics.

We really NEED to get back on track with 'coding' topics. The only idea I have right now is to go advertise on other boards and bring a bunch of n00bs here so we can help them, but thats just kind of rude.

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Realm Master

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*All fingers point twoards me*

.... I'm working on a game, I swear!

its just GFX take a while to make...

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Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by luke:

We really NEED to get back on track with 'coding' topics. The only idea I have right now is to go advertise on other boards and bring a bunch of n00bs here so we can help them, but thats just kind of rude.


Wouldn't that actually be... umm... spam? Anyway, we need more game art topics

kenman

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Doesn't everything relate to coding?
Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by kenman:
Doesn't [b]everything relate to coding?[/B]

Hhaha! Well yeah game art used to, I bet somewhere under a mountain of my old dot-matrix print-outs, I probably have my grid formulas to code my graphics onto the commodore 64 or Vic20. Basically a big block of numbers that had to be programmed into the lines of code by hand :P

luke

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quote:
Originally posted by luke:
If you look at the last month or two's worth of topics, how many of them are directly related to programming? indirectly? at all? And how many are off-topic spam?

I won't point fingers, but all of us here are part of the problem. Some of us start spam. Some of us reply to spam. Some of us don't start good topics.

We really NEED to get back on track with 'coding' topics. The only idea I have right now is to go advertise on other boards and bring a bunch of n00bs here so we can help them, but thats just kind of rude.


Yeah, it twas a bad idea anyway... But really; we've had practically no topics directly related to coding, and no everything is not related to coding... just computing.

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PokeMan

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What the heck is this forum for, luke?

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dartsman

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lol yeah... there are plenty of art forums, this is ment to be the 'Christian Coders Network'... more art topics doesn't sound like it would hit the spot for the title haha

Maybe a Christian Artists Network could be created?

More coding topics would be a lot better on these forums... anyone want to know how to do something (code related)? I'd like to see more C/C++ questions, maybe if theres a group of ppl who wish to learn C/C++ could get together and start learning, and asking questions on this board and able coders could answer them...

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Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by dartsman:
lol yeah... there are plenty of art forums, this is ment to be the 'Christian Coders Network'... more art topics doesn't sound like it would hit the spot for the title haha

Maybe a Christian Artists Network could be created?

More coding topics would be a lot better on these forums... anyone want to know how to do something (code related)? I'd like to see more C/C++ questions, maybe if theres a group of ppl who wish to learn C/C++ could get together and start learning, and asking questions on this board and able coders could answer them...


Well I think Art should have it's fair share of discussion here, like it already does, otherwise I think they should get rid of the forum category.

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NetCog

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quote:
Originally posted by kenman:
Doesn't [b]everything relate to coding?[/B]

of course it does... I read an article a few days ago connecting open source (coding) to world peace


I'm sure I'll actually ask code questions starting sometime after the first of the year. Not gaming but web and music most likely.

Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by dartsman:
Maybe a Christian Artists Network could be created?

There aren't any, at least none that are related to programming/computers.

If all those that focus on 2d, 2.5d and 3d art/modelling and not coding, get the feeling that they are not welcome to discuss such topics here, who is going to show you how to, or help you out with, your game/application artwork? Wouldn't it be better to welcome such topics as art, networking, sound engineering, level editing, animation or any other project development skill topic so as to build/maintain a well rounded community that is capable of working together to create complete projects?

Personally, I'd like to see more forums focused on all aspects of the development process which would probably bring in a more well rounded skill base into the community focused on the end product; creating full working games/applications that bring glory to God. But there are no such Christian dev communities out there and I just don't have the time to take on a project of building such a community on my own. Though this community theme is mainly based on coding, I don't get the impression from the forum staff that they are restricted to that, just more so focused.

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Originally posted by dartsman: More coding topics would be a lot better on these forums...
Then start some?

steveth45

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Well, it's closer to Christian Game Developers network than anything. But, a lot of hobbyist coding is game-making, and game-making involves creating, modifying, and dealing with art assets. A question like, "How do I convert my .3ds model to .x?" is both art and code related. Games are hardly the only crossover between coding and art. A coder is also an interface designer and by association an artist. A hobbyist game coder is also an artist.

Basically, digital art creation topics would be much more appropriate on this board instead of all the lame spam topics. Programming topics and questions would be nice, also.

A lot of people come to CCN, and then disappear forever. I would guess that the main three reasons are:

1. Warsong's discussions.
2. Spam topics.
3. Few interesting or useful discussions.

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It canít be me :P lol
People have no business in games if they can't take the reality of it. If I was an issue then my posts would not get the # of views and reply it gets. Also if they canít handle a simple post about issues that isnít about them then how can they handle life? They have to understand what goes on before they know what they do and if they donít then the only thing they make are things they donít know what will happen which would most likely hurt the in the end.

But besides that everyone is busy and not many original ideas. I am busy too and the main reason I mostly come in is to clarify with a reply. What is the point of making something when itís for the wrong reasons?

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Faith_Warrior

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But you are not talking about games, unless you consider inflammatory issues as games. So because you can create seriously inflammatory issues and cause a thread to melt down this means you are doing it the right way as if this were a popularity contest to simply get thread view counts? You bash every race, religion and creed to achieve this victory of yours, but it is simply empty. Why is it empty? Because you don't listen and discuss but simply attempt to cause greater thread views by inflaming the topic even further. You even attempted to inflame a FF vs IE war, War, but we were bigger than that. Does it bring you pleasure?
Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by steveth45:

A lot of people come to CCN, and then disappear forever. I would guess that the main three reasons are:

1. Warsong's discussions.
2. Spam topics.
3. Few interesting or useful discussions.


I would say it's #3. I personally get really bored with alot of which is disussed here, alot the advanced computer and linux discussions, mainly because I understand very little of it. But that could just be me.

Number 2? Actually that's the main reason I post unless I am posting some of my work, or to some gaming discussion. And it seems to me that it's the #2 kind of topics that bring people in, if anything. I know one of the people here who started posting here because of the girl's thread. We should do a survey of some sort to see what brought people in to CCN.

#1: Warsong's posts. Actually I think his posts has the least effect on CCN, if we let it be that way. Warsong's posts are only as big as we make them.

I think the reason why people come and go is because we are a small community. With no real structure. People always come and go in a forum, I think if we had more people here we wouldn't notice it as much.

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Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by LAVA:
Number 2? Actually that's the main reason I post unless I am posting some of my work, or to some gaming discussion. And it seems to me that it's the #2 kind of topics that bring people in, if anything. I know one of the people here who started posting here because of the girl's thread. We should do a survey of some sort to see what brought people in to CCN.


Actually, I found this site rummaging through the forums at BlitzBasic while digging for b3d code examples. I found it a couple months before I actually joined, luckily I didn't catch War's posts until after I registered or I'd might have had second thoughts... well maybe not but it wouldn't take long until such topics get ranked higher on google and you have a hand full of trolls with a new home, here. Actually, at the time I had a very small private developers community named The Blade and Bible, but I shut it down for reasons I choose not to discuss, and then found this site through the BlitzBasic forums after I had given up trying to even find a developers site of this type after finding none. I don't think I've posted in the girl thread though, but I'm in my mid 30's so ďgirlsĒ are not on my mind (something that starts with W is though lol ). I read a few posts in that thread but I don't really want to reminisce of my days of puberty at this point.

Lava
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Yeah, I think I found this forum from the site Christian Gaming, or I googled it. Either way, it was when I was looking for a good Christian programming forum, I think.

And I think I found what I was looking for.

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Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by LAVA:
Yeah, I think I found this forum from the site Christian Gaming, or I googled it. Either way, it was when I was looking for a good Christian programming forum, I think.

And I think I found what I was looking for.


Oh yeah, I know of the CG site, I'm pretty sure I made an account there last year but it was pretty dead and I posted like once if I recall. The only other Christian gaming site I've joined was Men of God but that was a players community. I mainly registered so I could join up with MoG in SWG soon after the launch of the game. There is another gaming forum at a very large Christian site but it's mostly full of trolls, sadly, think of [u]many[/u] War's at a single forum but ruthlessly slamming even the thought of a Christian game.

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CPUFreak91

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Well one of the problems is that the coding threads tend to die down soon. One of the biggest we had was the Bible Dave thread, it's successor (which I can't remember the name of) and The CCN Game Competition thread.

I'm not accusing anyone... I see how it could be hard to talk about coding for 35 pages

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MastaLlama

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hrm...well, i both agree and disagree. Yeah, this is the Christian Coder's Network, but each forum community needs off-topic subjects as well. Granted, we haven't really had many actual code topics lately but a forum is only what the members make it. Since Krylar and Mack haven't approached us all complaining about the topics of the forum and demanding we stay on code topics, I don't see a problem. If the community is happy and the moderators are happy, then there's no problem. If you're looking to have a coding question answered, then feel free to ask but don't get upset if the community doesn't have 100s of new coding questions a day. If you're looking for questions to answer, but there's no questions, then feel free to write some tutorials and put them up here for us all.
Mene-Mene

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Although I'm not sure what spam has to do with World Views and Politics. I do try to make coding topics! I found this through the BB demo through reading the GPFT Book.

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Lava
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Originally posted by Mene-Mene:
Although I'm not sure what spam has to do with World Views and Politics.

Off topic? yes. I don't know where it was associated with spam per say

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dXter

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Whoever doesn't want spam just shouldn't read the spam threads, tho I agree there should be more threads related to programming. The forum is what the members make it, and no one's breaking rules as long as it's within the moderators' limits.

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