goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I just watched a news thing about women going topless in new york. Im prety sure they do it to exersize their feminism. Men can do it, why cant they? Women want to become men. If thats not the most retarded thing ever, please dont tell me. Work When a man does a mans job, he just does it right? Why then, do women do that, and get mad if nobody notices? They want to stand out. It seems to me they want to dominate over men. ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
wow.. there are mixed feelings about this. haha. there are a couple flaws with the protest: you don't know how hard it was for me not to make cracks like "finally, feminism is giving back" or "yay for equality," but I didn't. oh wait, i did. crap. anyhow, in my view, women trying to be like men have an insecurity problem. we do need to be careful, tho, not to stereotype women who want the same rights as men have. they're different and have a just cause.
quote: some do, but not all. frankly, most women I have seen are not like what you described. but there are people who can't stop whining about the glass ceiling, etc. one thing, however, I seen is prominent, is that many women look at jobs and careers as fulfillment, while many guys view it just as a part of life. Guys are more likely to think of retirement than women. To a man, you work, pay the bills, retire, but for many women, the job is life. maybe they'll come to the realization that guys have constructed over the thousands of years, who knows. the sad thing about this, tho, is that the kids are being neglected because both parents work. our youth is going to crap and we have no one to blame but ourselves. ------------------ |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
Women have been sold a bill of goods by feminism. They have been told that men have it all, have all the advantages, that they need to liberate themselves from the roles society has forced upon them and find their own meaning in career and being a free woman etc etc etc... The truth is finding your meaning in life in a corperate career is retarded. Its good to work, its good to be good at what you do, but the idea that devoting your life to making money for a bunch of other people is going to empower you and define you as a free successful individual is rediculous. Modern feminism, much like modern conceptions of the irresponsible play boy amount to nothing more than an attempt to deny what people were created to be, and shirk their natural responsabilities. The Modern feminist movement was begun by women who felt inadequet in their natural capacities as women, and rather than bettering themselves and realizing their natural identity, they channeled their bitterness into an attempt to destroy the natural roles for which they felt inadequet and to force their bitterness and their image of what women should be (which is men incidentaly) on to the rest of womanhood. ------------------ |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
hmm... interesting issue Goop... i think what Arch said is true that the kids are suffering while both parents are gone... also, i think that it's good that we be equal, but they shouldn't go around topless in New York to protest... lol... i guess i'm not really sure what i think about this... lol.... i don't want to be, 'woman's place is in the home...' but i don't want to encourage going crazy... lol... ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I dunno... I think women should be home keeping the house nice and taking care of the kids... or shopping.... I mean, if a woman is married it shold be the man doing the work, and making money to take care of the family. ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
You cant say that in modern america~~~!!! 
Will the emo kids be my friends now? [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited March 19, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Well Im going to! We need to take back our freedom! WE WILL NOT SUCUMB TO THE WOMEN!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
lol... i say that there is a time and a place for the woman to stay home, but then there are women who shouldn't be staying home because they may do a better job than their male counterparts vying for the position... i think it's just a matter of the person... my mom does a great job at staying home and cleaning house and such (though my dad helps) but she's also taken jobs sometimes and done just as well... and the house's cleanliness and dinners and things didn't suffer... it's just a matter of the person... like with race, you can't stereotype everyone... it's not fair, and it wouldn't work... lol... ------------------ |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
TOPLESS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!???! Either its extreme feminism, or somebody's an advocate of porn!! Ugg! And in new york no less... I dunno, they really shouldn't be walking around topless, its just... sick... Its not making them more male-like, its revealing themselves to complete strangers!
But seriously, when we get Devine intervention, its not going to make us all okay, its going to be like the destruction-of-Isrial (sorry for spelling) type of intervention. Nobody can say we spoiled-rotten lawyer-infested Uninted States of America don't deserve it. I once saw a cartoon that is funny, but oh so dangerously true. God's hand is writing "Guilty" on the courtroom wall of a court, and one of the lawyers stands up and says "Objection!"
[edit] Wow, see what my brain does? Seriously, im talking to somebody, or thinking about school work, and my brain makes tones of obsucre connections to memories or events and my brain takes off in a different direction! its really weird, and i need to get rid of that habbit! sorry! [/edit] ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! [This message has been edited by Realm Master (edited March 19, 2006).] |
um i cant think of a name Member Posts: 22 From: Registered: 03-28-2006 |
quote: I HATE that!!!! that is such a STUPID old-fashioned additude. I personally could not do that, I'd commit suicide. If you want to live in the 1960's Goop2, fine, but don't go around expecting everyone else to do that because women who have talent and are called by God are sinning by not being obedient and using that talent and staying home, cleaning, cooking, and wiping boogars all day. Okay right about now whoever is reading this is probably thinking, "okay tell me the next time you give an ispirational seminar and ill be sure to sign up". lol sorry ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
You know.... most people I know are living in the 60s, cause when someone has kids, they take care of them. I dont like the idea of men being lazy fags who sit around all day while the women do all the work. Im not saying women are lazy, Im saying men who should be working would be lazy if their wives were working instead. ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I believe women should have the right to work and vote. All of that civil rights stuff I think is cool. But I don't think that a family should be broke up by the mother and father working at the same time, someone has to work and someone should stay home and take care of the home, unless it's a situation where they can't survive otherwise. I am also tired of the feminisim, women should be treated like princesses, not soldiers. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
well... personaly I think they should be treated inbetween... like everyone else. homekeeping IS infact a job though. ------------------ |
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Flamers23 Member Posts: 30 From: gilmanton N.H U.S.A Registered: 11-16-2004 |
In the words of samos the sage..... "A womens place is in the garage fixing cars!" lol they wanna be men let them do that :P ------------------ |
Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
In my opinion... I prefer the guys do the more physical work, not because women are not capable, but because the guys should be the ones taking risks, and protecting the women from possible harm... I mean I do not have a problem with a woman working for a living, but if she is married, the guy... as the guy's God given responsibility... should be working at least, if not harder then the woman.... so yeah that is where I stand. =P ------------------ |
dedicatedrider Member Posts: 210 From: USA Registered: 08-04-2005 |
Way to go guys, you're right on with all this stuff about feminism. It's only hurt this country, the families within this country, and the women who live here. The feminists may not realize this, but it's true. ------------------ Proverbs 22:1 [This message has been edited by dedicatedrider (edited March 30, 2006).] |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I'm all for womans rights/freedoms to do what they want but a line needs to be drawn, not just for women but for men as well. So I don't think guys should walk around with shirts off flexing the muscles or flab. For men breasts are a sexual attraction and can become a stumbling block for them, it's the same thing with women with bare chested men. Put your shirt on, I don't want to see your pasty white epidermis. |
CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
Why isn't there a fuss about mens rights? (I know why, I'm just trying to make a point here though) *thinks back to the AngelOne Star Trek Episode where women rule and take the roll as men* ------------------ [This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited March 31, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I was wondering that months ago. Maybe we could start something. Actualy I think there IS a mens rights thing going on... ------------------ |
luke Member Posts: 311 From: I use your computer as my second Linux box Registered: 10-30-2005 |
You know, these kinds of issues are *dangerous*. Lord help us if some ACLU person sees this page, they will scream RACISTS, BIGOTS, SEXISTS, ***ISTS ***ISTS ... and take all of us to court ;(. Although I do see the potentiality for 'genderism' here; I think that as long as A parent is at home with the kids I don't care if the mom or dad works. BUT utlimately WE (guys) have the power, cause WE can MARRY WHO WE WANT. So just make sure your wife to be would like to have 8 kids or something  and if she doesn't, well... just don't marry her then... ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: *ahem*.... umm... women also have that type of power (legally) and plus it's all God's call about marrige. ------------------ [This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited March 31, 2006).] |
Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
quote: actually, some guy in california sued a women's excercise club because the wouldn't let him join because he was male. I think he's sueing (how on earth do you spell that?!?!?!) another one now. it was in the iFeminist column on foxnews.com. by the way, does anyone know what that column's standpoint is? ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Another big thing is anti-white. Thats HUGE!! Blacks can have their own stuff, and kick whites out, but they will sue if they find out about white stuff. An example: A store can hire only blacks, but if they hire only whites they are illegaly racist. Another example: Blacks can have black colleges, but whites cant, or else they are racist. ------------------ |
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Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
On the topic of married couples and who works... it is true that is it up to the individuals... errr... couples, lol. I mean some work it out that the woman works, and the guy stays home and does house things, some come up with that they both work and do things at home when they can, and some have the guy working and the woman doing things at home... no matter what it is equal work between people because maintaining the house is as important as paying for it... BUT to all the guys reading this... it IS men's God given responsibility to be the man of the house, and support his family... so whatever the case may be, DON"T BE LAZY!!!! On the topic of racism... I HATE that... the Equal Employment Opportunity Whatever... is ruining this country, I mean yeah I understand that they have to make sure people are not racist against the minorities, or whatever... BUT by doing that you are being racist against the MAJORITIES... I mean by saying that you have to have so many of each 'race' at a work place is retarded, hire who is capable for their skills NOT their color, or origin... I mean I had SUCH a hard time finding a job because they had all the white guys they needed... AND also on the topic, why can't whites have a "White History Month"??? Because the majority of black people of this country (no offense to anyone here that is black) would call that a racist thing, ALTHOUGH they have a 'black history month'... it is all just retarded.............. and makes my head spin in anger.... lol ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
minority? majority? psh. bullocks. here in CA, whites are minority and we're still discriminated against. ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
ha, arch, my friend does that too. Either way, I used to let all the "racism" crap get to me, but I've learned to live with it. If some black people feel they need BET, let them have it. If there was a channel for whites, yes it would have quite a fight against it. But it's not necessary. Is any angry saying there aren't enough white people on TV? Perhaps theres not enough white culture on TV? It's all pride. My plan these days is to just watch out with the racist jokes, try to be unbiased by racial stereotypes if I can help it, and give everybody at least one chance to not aggrivate me. ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
yeah, I actually don't care too much about the reverse racism thing. unless it gets in my way. blacks having their own channel, psh, I don't care. let them. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Today I saw an add asking to support some black college. See? I dont want to say I told you so but...... I TOLD YOU SO!!!! HAHAHAHAAAA!!!  ------------------ |
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Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
does anyone read the tounge-tied column on fox it's great! ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
quote: Ain't that the truth. Do any of you Americans have preferential hiring based on color/gender? Here in Canada the larger workplaces are supposed to hire people from different ethnic backgrounds, even if it means ignoring someone who is more qualified... it's like "Wow, you're the most skilled person we've ever seen... but we already have some whites. See ya!" My dad got recognition for having the highest mark (in the province!) on an entry-exam for some job. But the chick who came in second with a much lower score got the job just for being a chick. And this is supposed to prevent sexism? I guess the politicians have to cover their arses from being attacked by (suitably named) retarded feminists, and other minorities who think they deserve special rights. And where I live there is a "university for everyone" and a "university for aboriginals". Do we not live on the same planet? SHEESH! |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
in the workplace, atleast officially speaking, you can't discriminate according to race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. that would be illegal. but, in universities and a couple other institutions, some cross the line. my friend was talking to me about a youth poetry competition he was in. ------------------ |
Ashton_JX Member Posts: 156 From: Springfield, Oregon, USA Registered: 02-21-2005 |
Dang... Christian forums can be the most flamingest forums on the net. You know, concerning the women who went around topless in New York. I think the sexual aspect to it plays a big part. They've obviously had some very bad experiences dealing with men who were supposed to be supportive in their lives, but instead used them basically as a servant and sex object. I see the toppless thing as a way of saying "The people I looked up to for support in my life failed me and belittled me, so I'm going to prove I'm better than them and demand their respect", but also as a way of rebelling against men's sexuality which was unfortuately used against them by some selfish people. These are some hurting people, and it has been said that "Hurting people hurt people". So it is no wonder there's a bit of venom in them. I can completely understand that. I think the feminists have half the story correct. Yes, they have been wronged. Yes, they need respect. Unfortunately I think they are kind of playing on the wrong field, though I can understand why they'd want to take on men like they do. They want to overcome the men because the men in their lives (not all men, but the ones who hurt them and gave them a very bad impression of what a man is) have overcame them and tried to dominate them. Again, I totally understand that feeling. They've been stripped of their royal robes (as children of God) and pushed into a shabby little box that says "use me". We as people are created in God's image, and were never meant to be dominated like that. In Genesis God gave man dominion over the earth and all kinds of plants and animals, but God never said man should dominate man. If they knew who they were in Christ, they wouldn't need to struggle like they do. For the most part their fight isn't in the here and now anyways, it is in the past where some horrible things have happened that created a kind of blueprint for how they see everything now. I'm just saying that if they knew who they really were, they would be able to be confident when someone tries to push them into a box, and they wouldn't let some user dictate their life. Actually, now that I think of it, part of the problem was they were looking to men for their identity in the first place. I mean, I know that a large chunk of who we think we are comes from how our parents treat us. People aren't created independant, we need others. I guess just anything out of alignment with God's plan just gets messed up. Some people twist God's plan for selfish reasons and people get all tied up in deception and can't function right anymore. Its kind of like a car running like an old '87 Honda Accord when it is really an Aston Martin. Er, wow thats many words. I end now :P. ------------------ Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe. |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
I am in shock, several times I had to look back to the top of this page and re-read Christian Coders Network. This is only the second day I have been here, please forgive my confusion. Let me First try to understand who these forums are for. What is a Christian? The first Definition of Christianity is : Is that true? If so read on, if not stop now and tell me what a christian is. Gospel: Colossians 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Col 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Eph 5:22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. Eph 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. Why are you discussing this topic as if you weren't christians? There is a great chance that many of you aren't. Answer yourself this, Are you absolutely sure you are going to heaven? If you aren't sure, you aren't a christian. If you are sure then, answer yourself this why are you going to heaven? What did Jesus say about this? Mt 18:3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Mt 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” So, love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and with all your mind. Be humble like the little children who trust in him completely. Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Have you read the bible? Have your Read the Word of God? If you don't know the word, you don't know God. 1Jn 4:7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Do you love everyone? I admit I don't and I ask God for forgiveness and I ask him that if I decide to love that he would give me love for everyone. Jas 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. I beg you all, if you haven't asked God into your heart and give your life over to him, please do so. If you have, ask him for wisdom, then read your bible. Start with 1 John, read it over and over. 1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 1Jn 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. I could quote great verses from 1 John all day untill there was no more verses to quote. If you don't Obey Gods commands you don't know him, and if you don't know him than how can you love him? Mt 22:37 Jesus replied: “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ Some times I want to call myself a "Follower of the Way" because so many non-christians claim to be christians. Jn 14:5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Follower of Jesus, Jesus said "I am the way". So, I am a follower of the way. I must ask you all forgiveness for judging you based on what I have seen you post here. Please forgive me. I don't want to judge. Mt 7:1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Jn 8:50 I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. Forgive me If I have cause harm. The Reason for all I have quoted from the bible is so that we may start talking as christians should. We should not be talking as if we did not know God. Women were made to submit to their husbands, husbands are to treat them as God treats the church. Providing, loving, honoring. We are all the brides of Christ, Men too are the brides of Christ. No, The real issue is not how women are treated or what rights they think they don't have. The real issue is do they know God. Col 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, What ever ANY of us do we should do THAT with all our hearts, it is not men we christians work for but it is GOD. We all should ask God to help us become more like Jesus. 1Jn 2:17 The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever. This discussion would be over in seconds if you all knew the Lord. Do any of you have the fruit of the spirit? Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness and self control? A Side note, the Words Dang, and crap, if you are trying to soften your words for others eyes. Why? You think God doesn't know what those words are replacing? Give up your Pride, Humble yourself! Please forgive me! |
Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
Hey, Pylon! Welcome to CCN! Hmm. I must say I'm a little taken aback by your sudden and voluminous posting. I encourage you to take a step back. I don't know how long you've been lurking here, but I encourage you to get to know these folks before you start judging them. You have admitted that you yourself sin and have to ask for forgiveness, yet the attitude I'm feeling from you is more preachy than loving & gracious toward our sinfulness (yes it is possible to both preach and love, but hear me out here). Please, forgive *us* - we are stumbling, fumbling Christians as well, far from perfect, and striving, sometimes more, sometimes less. You seem to be implying that because we have not attained a certain level of graciousness or love or understanding or whatever, that we are not Christians at all. I highly doubt that, for example, the thief on the cross had all these issues worked out in the waning hours of his life after he trusted Christ. You are probably right - some of the people who post here may be more or less "cultural" Christians who have not yet placed their trust in Christ. Some are even blatant unbelievers. However, I exhort you to exert some humility before pointing fingers. Jesus himself said to let the tares grow alongside the wheat until the final day. It's not your job, or mine, to go around pulling up the tares yet. You never know. Last of all, I encourage you to join our *community*. Community means getting to know people, communication, a willingness to hear others out, trying to live together in an understanding way (I know, that reference is out of context, but it's still a part of what a community is). I frequently disagree with many of the posters here. So what? It happens every day. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. That's what discussion is for, to figure it out, together. It's hard on us, and a little unfair, for you to come in here with your guns blazing and firing on us all, when we don't know you at all, and I would posit that you don't know us very well either. It's the equivalent of walking in on a group of people, sitting there for roughly five minutes and then suddenly yelling at everybody. Whoa. Who are you and where'd that come from? It's even more shocking online because there are no non-verbal cues to help us communicate. I encourage you also to work on improving the format and readability of your posts. So, with all that said.... How's it going? I'm Jennifer, aka Mrs. HanClinto (HanClinto, my husband, hangs out a lot here). What brings you here? Where are you at in life? I'm in my mid-20s, and I do a little bit of freelance web design on the side (my main job is being married and taking care of stuff around the house; I'm slowly getting better at it). Do you do any programming? I do a little php, but I leave the hard stuff to HanClinto, who does C#, C++, Python, stuff like that. What are your hobbies & interests? I'm reading a book called "Fake Pearls Before Real Swine" by Franky Schaeffer. It's fabulous. I don't agree with it all, but it's fabulous food for thought, and it makes me want to learn a whole lot more about history as it relates to philosophy and church history. We Midwesterners often forget that there are a good couple thousand years of Christianity that have occurred before our time, and in many other places than the U.S. Welcome! ------------------ [This message has been edited by tonnyx (edited May 27, 2006).] [This message has been edited by tonnyx (edited May 27, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Wooooow.... Im impressed! I often disagree with Tony, but I like the way you said that ------------------ |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Hi, Pylon! Welcome to CCN!
quote: Sorry that we all seem to have shocked you so much. Basically the purpose of CCN is to be a place where Christians who are interested/involved in programming can come together and talk about Christ, programming, gaming, and life all in context together. People here are at every levels of life -- some are missionaries, some are still in elementary, many are in high school and college, plenty of home-schoolers here, some are graduated and are working in the world, some are parents, and I think we even have a grandparent or two who comes on here to post every now and then. There are new believers and old believers, people from various faiths including Christianity, mormonism, atheism, etc. It's a great place where we can come together, pursue truth together, have fun together, etc. You can check out threads like the Smiley Battles and the Stick Figure Animation Contest for examples of some of the fun we've had this past year. We don't just goof off (even though that takes up a lot of bandwidth on here), but we also try to remain focused on programming as Christians (though not *just* coding -- plenty of artists and game designers are on here as well!). We help each other with programming questions, learning new tools, and we've even tried a couple of community projects. Bible Dave is probably the most successful of the community projects that have happened since I have been here, but there have been others. I've made a lot of friends on here that I've had the blessing of meeting in real life at the Christian Game Developer's Conference out in Portland, Oregon -- it just happened for this year last week -- it was a wonderfully blessed time of fun, education, encouragement and in general just good Christian fellowship.
quote: Who are you accusing of discussing this topic as a non-Christian? All of them? Mack? Simon_Templar? Gamer4Christ? DedicatedRider? Goop2? Buddboy? RealmMaster?
quote: A recurring theme of your posts is encouraging people to read the Word. It's a good thing to encourage people to read the scriptures -- though you seem to be giving off the impression of assuming that these people don't read the scriptures.
quote: Yeah, that's a tough one isn't it?
quote: I think I agree with you here, but yet we are still in this plight of politics and laws and social justice. We are told to pray for those in government -- but that doesn't Christians can't also be *in* government trying to help things -- that doesn't mean we shouldn't vote, that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for the cause of the oppressed -- we are to do all of that, and the way to do it is politically. Yes, governments are going to all pass away, but God has placed me where I am for a reason. I am to dwell in the land and do good. I am to take care of the orphan and the widow and the oppressed -- I am to feed and care for the poor, to spread the Gospel, to raise my family and teach them to follow Christ, I am to work hard and love my family and enjoy God's creation. I realize that the world is going to burn, but I have been placed here and I still have to do the best I can with what I've been entrusted.
quote: We can't separate our Christianity from the rest of our lives (I.E., we must be Christian 7-days-a-week), but keep in mind we have responsibility to not only our fellow Christians, but to everyone (and everything) else that we're on this planet with. This includes our farm animals, our pets, our land, our unsaved friends and family, our government, and our world. It's all been entrusted to us, and so we have to do the best with it that we can. So these women in New York apparently felt oppressed, and this was their (very wrong) way of calling attention to themselves. As Christians, we should do the best that we can in this situation to help bring justice about, showing them the love of Christ all throughout. If we just preach the gospel but don't help their oppressed state, then we're not really loving them. If we're helping their oppressed state but not loving them as Christ would love them, then we're not helping them in any eternal sense. Their ultimate problem is that they don't know Christ -- yes, but they've also got more immediate issues that we must deal with as well.
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
I Apologize for my bluntness, I am a new christian and some times I think I am aquiring too much knowledge for my heart to digest. So I apologize for my gun blazing. I really tried to let the Scripture speak for itself. Please forgive me, I really Don't mean to judge. I am Daniel Baker, I grew up in a small town, I asked God into my heart at 5ish years old. I remember the occation well but not the exact date. Through out life I have prayed, and thought I was trusting God. But I really didn't know him, I just knew he knew me and that was the basis of our relationship. Went through college Played games, programmed and so on. (php, asp, perl) Then one thing let to another I ended up where I am. I lost my pride, found a great chrisitan leader, became reborn. 24 Years old, Still struggling but trusting in God to help me through. That is less than I usually tell about myself when asked. Now tonnyx and HanClinto, looking over what I wrote I did get a little carried away but also I don't seem to recall seeing posts from either of you before mine. So neither of us can claim that I was shocked by you. I do apologize for not showing more grace and love for you all. I am sorry for assuming, judging and ranting. It was not my intent. Yes, I was a little harsh, I am sorry. My communication skills lack in many areas, but that is no excuse, I should have asked questions calmly waited for answers before I went off. I myself haven't read the bible through yet. I have no right to judge, but just from the sections I have read it seemed(I apologize again for assuming) like I had pulled more out of it than some of the people here. I am in the wrong here and I apologize. [This message has been edited by pylon (edited May 27, 2006).] |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
In the old days it would make sense to have men clubbing down bears so that the women could collect berries. They won't solve anything by stomping around topless, but why do you think it is still necessary for wives to "submit to their husbands in everything"? |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
If you are replying to me: I was quoting from the bible. I also quoted: Eph 5:21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. When Men and Women marry and are intimate God has built us in such a way that we become more attached to whom we are married to. Eph 5:28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Submitting doesn't really mean women stay at home and men go to work. Now I will tred on dangerious territory becacause I will be speaking what I believe with not much backing me up. I haven't read enough to know if things do back me up. My belief/Observation/opinion: Boys as they grow up often Brag, it is a sign that they Want or Need Respect. Not saying girls don't want respect and boys don't want love. I just believe that God made us opposites so that when we come together we will have a feeling of wholeness. Men continue to want to have respect and women want love. I don't believe it is completely Societies influence that makes us who we are. I believe it is Necessary for Men to be respected by there wives and Wives to be Loved and Honored by their Husbands. Is there something Horrible about submitting to one you love and respect? Is it horrible to Honor and be faithful to one you love? I believe that in a world with out God there is NO Morality there is nothing to guide it. People will say, it was in my DNA to kill people. I believe that those women trying to win rights simply Don't know Their creator and don't know thier purpose. They are living in a world where there is no hope, there is no after life, there is no all knowing being. They look in the mirror and see nothing because that is what they believe they are. They aren't created in the image of anything. They were naturally selected, they are in a world where the strongest survive, might makes right. So they are using all their power to win something they don't have. People tend to want what they don't have. To answer your question, I believe in a creator that designed us in a special way, we crave things and when we look to him and seek him first all those things we crave will be given to us. Seeking him means obeying what he told us, Love everyone. Submit. If you believe Men today aren't submitting to their wives, I'd laugh. Maybe they don't submit much but they do submit. Though I am only speaking from Couples I've seen. I beleve if you(men and women) don't submit there will be trouble. Does that answer it? |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
And a further apology, My first rant was pretty uncalled for. There were only a few posts that nudged me the wrong way and I blew up. But, I hope some of the verses I quoted were useful for this conversation. |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Guys want to be alpha males and girls want to be pretty. Same with animals - survival of the fittest, baby. It works when the tough male wolf has to protect his pup-raising mate. But in modern human society we're talking about fast food and paperwork. Nobody has to submit more than the other. |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
Oddly enough God Made the Animals too. But I don't know you know enough about animals to say that. I'm pretty sure once the pups are at a certain age the Alpha female also goes to hunt, usually leaving behind one or two other wolves to guard the pups. Both Males and Female wolves hunt. If you really want to get into a survival of the fittest discussion that is fine too. But because both ends of the Debate rely on faith it really goes no where. Women staying at home and the Male working, that is an arangement a couple decides for themselves. That has little to do with submitting. And maybe here where I live I just don't see women with out rights. If they want to go shirtless, I tell you this, more women will protest it than men will. So they are fighting themselves with feminism, they are not against men. And if you claim that there is no God, tell me how do you get your morals? With out God is there only one THEORY that you can hope to be true? If you came from millions or billions of years of survival of the fittest there is no higher power or all knowing being to tell you what to do and what not to do. The Government? Is that the higher power? Bah, do what you want, what are they going to do? Put you in prison, put you to death? Whats it matter, everyone dies, and if death is absolute might aswell have as much fun as you can and die young before you start losing the ability to do things. So if you want to put faith in that, go ahead. There is more evidence in favor of my faith, and more hope, and happiness. There is nothing that I can gain from believing there is no God. |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
I think I should stop Posting on these forums, I seem to cause more problems than create solutions. I am sorry for that. If anyone wants to Contact me pydansan@hotmail.com is my email. Grace and Peace |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
I don't think you are, this is a debate and from what I observed in a debate everyone wants to have the last word. So it's kinda hard to say something without it being attacked. ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: Largely I think the "submitting" issue can be thought of in terms of "headship". The husband is the head of the wife -- it's just the way men and women are built. It's laying out the roles that men and women should fill -- it doesn't mean that the wife should be demeaned or that the husband should be elevated -- rather, Jesus says that if anyone wants to lead that they need to serve. Many times I know I'd like to wimp out and not bear the hard burden that is being the head of a household, but I know it's the responsibility laid upon me as a man, and so I have to fulfill my calling. It's the way stuff is designed to work. So is the Bible calling for a strictly "patriarchal" society? Eeeh, perhaps... but perhaps not. Women are spoken of very highly in the Bible -- they're certainly not to be demeaned or treated like cattle. If you've got other questions about this Cheese, as always, I'll happily do my best to clarify a Christian viewpoint (though iirc it hasn't always been to your satisfaction). Respectfully, |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: Hey Dan! Oh no! I'm sorry -- I didn't mean to drive you off! It actually seemed that you were having a good discussion with Cheesestorm -- a surprisingly good one considering some of the other crazy discussions that CheeseStorm has been a part of in the past (he's one of the two outspoken non-Christians who frequent the boards here). He's certainly been in the middle of some pretty large flame wars here -- I'm really amazed he hasn't been driven off yet. We like him and his questions, and so we try to not flame him *too* hard when answering his tough questions. Dan, in reference to your apologies, I think you're very forgiven. Thanks for sharing a bit of your testimony -- so very cool that you're a programmer! Cheers! In Christ, [This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited May 29, 2006).] |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
In my posts I was being judgemental, it is not something I enjoy and I feel guilty for doing it afterwords. After reading: Galatians 5:15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by eachother. To be honest I didn't come here because of the coding, I came because there was a topic about a penny-arcade comic. I felt that I should put what I think the bible had to say about it. I work for a company in the advertising department, I would like to say I am using my skills but I'm not. My supervisor wants an assistant not some one that will help the company technologicly. I am still growing in the Lord, and he is showing me my faults and I am repenting. You didn't Drive me off. If I must I will stick around if some one wants to finish this discussion, and someday when I can be a better whitness or when I am more able to offer my services I will be back. |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Oh geeze.. dont leave.. Any forum Ive been to seemed like a bumpy ride at first, but once you get to know people, it gets much better. I think your a very respectable person actualy. I kinda like you ------------------ |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
Rough or bumpy, those aren't the reasons I think I should no longer post here. I never planned on using this forum for what it was ment for. I am, however, making pancakes. |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
I'm simply saying that the physical advantages that men have over women means little to our survival anymore. So there is no sense for one to submit more to the other.
quote: I suppose life is just happier when we work together. quote:There are many theories and many religions built on top of them. I don't "hope" any one theory is right, but if you want to hear some of my ideas I'd be glad to share. quote:We make our own decisions, but it helps to work together. I liked your posts in the other thread about not being attached to the world. They reminded me of Buddhism (but what doesn't?  ). In our search for comfort and security we all too easily get addicted to physical sensations, and we're sad when we don't have them (I have mad withdrawal from thinking about all the video games I used to play). And no, I don't have too much respect for the government, but I appreciate how they don't hire thugs to beat our votes out of us.quote:It must be reassuring to have your insecurities about death solved by believing in God and Heaven, or that your earthly life is being watched over. But those two insecurities are what all the other religions solve as well. That connection, or feeling of belonging, is not unique to any one faith. Found this kind of interesting: (taken from http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrainqa.shtml quote: |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
First I will address insecurities of death. I have none and no, not all other religions solve them. Christianity(Jesus) is the only one to have that assurance. He was the Son of God. Buddha had enlightenment, or a dream. Muhammad was a prophet, and I believe even in the Qur'an, their holy book, Jesus was said to be a perfect guy, they just considered him a prophet. If you talk to a spiritual leader they will tell you that they aren't even sure if Muhammad is in heaven. Buddha, talk about sexism towards women. I could try to Pull up all the facts but it would take forever to retype them or explain them. I don't know them off the top of my head. But if you TRUELY are seeking answers and not just questioning to discredit Jesus then go get this book OR better yet, I'll send it to you. It is by Ravi Zacharias, he is from India and he grew up with most of these religions all around him. The book is Called "Jesus Among other Gods". What is unique about Christianity is it is not a merit based system. You don't have to do anything like the other religions. There is no karma or no ranking system. The change in people when they become Reborn Christians is very dramatic and it is a feeling you have never felt so you can not claim to know that it is the same for every religion. And religious experiences thing you found, pretty cool but I myself have never felt the presence of God. But yes if something happens a religious person is more likely to attribute it to God and vice versa. I don't see what that proves. There are a world of people that are lost and they try to prove christianity wrong. Why? Whats the point? Sound like a waste of your all too short meaningless life. But I am not Discrediting what you have found by saying that. I just don't think it proves anything vital. [This message has been edited by pylon (edited May 28, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: I didnt either, but I registered June 2004, and Im still posting. This is actualy the first forum I ever signed up for... ------------------ |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
Biologist George Beadle Raised the question "Whence came the hydrogen?" Beadle added, "Is it any less awe-inspiring to conceive of a universe created of hydrogen with the capacity to evolve into man, than it is to accept the Creation of man as man?" CheeseStorm, cool name by the way, I once questioned my friend on how he thought the world was created, he knew that it was a pointless conversation to get into so he made sure his answer was comedic. Though some times I wondered if he really believed a Cheese log floating around in space actually did all this. Was there something that produced milk before it, so that it could be made in to a Cheese log? I am assuming(I apologize) that you think you know Christianity enough to get into a debate about it. That is fine, but I don't know what you believe caused earth and life, which leaves me at a disadvantage. Though, I know that, without the help of something outside of the universe, outside of scientific laws, Evolution, except for microevolution, is unscientific and improbable to the point of not possible. So I am sure that survival of the fittest, as it is set up by Darwin, is not in your Ideas. I reread what you said about something reminded you of Buddhism. It reminded me of when Jesus was tempted by the devil and the tempter kept saying little bits of true scripture in order to trick Jesus. It didn't work, but Jesus is Perfect, it is no Surprise he was not fooled. But People when they hear bits of truth, they can be lead astray. Buddhism might have tid bits of truth that lead people to it. Anyhow... [This message has been edited by pylon (edited May 28, 2006).] |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Truly unafraid to die? That is very impressive. Most religions do try to appease that fear, though. "I teach suffering, its origin, cessation and path. That's all I teach," said the Buddha. The different Buddhist sects, the hundreds of writings of rules to follow, the sexism, karma, and reincarnation, all crap. All these religions bury the original message with their rules and rituals. I went through the Vatican recently - such a pointless obsession with gold and marble and huge cathedrals! And every golden Buddha statue is no better. The point is to be not attached to this world! (again I refer back to your wise quotes in the other thread) As a side-note I guess when Buddha was a spoiled prince, all the political and spiritual leaders would have been men, and all the women were servants or worse. Hinduism was the major religion so I'm pretty sure that's where the karma and reincarnation came from. Christ was a Jew, Buddha was a Hindu... "the gods must have a sense of humor."
quote:The experiment activated that sensation in the brain without anything else happening at all. They brought up that feeling to see how people of different faiths would react, I guess, or to see if it could be done at all.
quote:Please, the true message of Buddhism doesn't tell you about what god to follow. It is just a way of living a life that is not dependent on outward sources of happiness - as the Bible also recognizes as bad. Yet when I compliment the use of your own book - a book I don't agree with on many levels - you turn it around and call Buddha's messages satanic in nature? The former pope too, warned against the evils of Buddhism without knowing a damned thing about it. So, let's summarize this bloated post. The supernatural crap ruins religion but the original messages about how to live life are great (love your neighbor, don't be addicted to the world). In my opinion the golden cathedrals/statues are a slap in the face to both Jesus and Buddha, who both lived simple lives. |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
quote: quote: I guess what I said did seem like I was comparing buddha with Satan, I'm sorry. I just remember when I was telling a friend here about my life changing and how I was feeling less and less attached to the things around me. He made a similar comment, "Sounds like you're becomming a buddhist". It was a little shocking because at that point I really knew nothing about buddha or buddhism. It was simply happening in my life as I was reading the bible. I agree with you that people do disgrace holy people when they start idolizing the symbols rather than the people. It happens all the time, a righteous person does something as a symbol of their faith and others copy that person thinking that by using that symbol they will become righteous. Examples: circumcision and baptism. [This message has been edited by pylon (edited May 29, 2006).] |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
And about Death, This is what I have come to feel: Phil 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
About what I said about Buddhism. People of the world seem to want tolerance. They pled that we should tolerate people and their religions. In return people should tolerate Christians for what they believe BUT at the core of Christian belief is would go againsts our religion to say that other religions are correct. Jesus said I am they way, I am the truth, I am the bread of life. I am the light of the world. Jn 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be , you will indeed die in your sins.” Jn 10:7 Therefore Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. Jn 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. Jn 10:14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— Jn 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; Jn 13:13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. Jn 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. So, yes, I think Buddhism is wrong. Of the devil? Well it sure leads people away from the truth. And I should not have to tolerate untruths, especially in a discussion or debate. Quoted from the book "Jesus Among Other Gods" By Ravi Zacharias "How does Buddha measure up against the standard of personal purity that jesus sets? The very fact that he endured rebirths implies a series of imperfect lives. When he left his home in the palace, turning his back on his wife and son, it was in search of an answer. He did not start with the answer. His "Enlightenment" was an attainment. Even taken at face value, it was a path to purity, not purity per se.
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
If you say Buddhism is not sexist then it is because either you are changing Buddhism or you are changing the meaning of Sexist. If you say parts of buddhism are right and parts of Christianity are right then are you making your own religion off ideas? If you are then all the questions people toss at those religions will come back at you. Claiming that is it the idea that matter is hiding. And it will just be an Idea and nothing more will come of it. It means nothing, there is nothing to back it up as being right.
quote: View with out any supernatural: Love one another? Cool Idea, why should I? I can gain more from life by using people. If this is my only life I might aswell live it up. Get as much pleasure I can out of it. Coming back to the women and their toplessness: You: Because it is a great idea!!! You'll be happier! Feeling like you don't need these things, you don't need to do this to feel good. Take things in moderation! Don't be addicted to the world! Them: Why Not! All there is, is this world, all I have his this life. I don't care when I die because I know I'll die doing something fun, then it will be over. Why try to live a happy quiet life, thats just for fantasies. Its so rare that I would rather spend my chance on the lottary. Why experience only one Lover when there is a world of different people? ______________________________ Without God or the 'supernatural crap' that ruins religion, there is no inforcement of rules. No way to define good and evil, right and wrong. But that is not what God is about. He made us to enjoy things in life. He showed us the path, He is the path. He said if we seek him we will receive all other things, food, clothing and companionship. There is nothing else, no one else that claims he will give so much for so little and delivers it like Jesus. [This message has been edited by pylon (edited May 29, 2006).] |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
quote: Lava, Jesus gave me the last word when he died on the cross. I don't just want last word. I want everyone to have last word. I don't debate to prove me right, I debate so that everyone that hears and believes Gods word will be right. |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
Tid bit about Ravi Zacharias: About the Author Ravi Zacharias was born in India, immigrating to Canada at age twenty. After earning a Masters of Divinity at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, he began a speaking ministry that has taken him worldwide (including the campuses of Harvard, Princeton, and Oxford University) as a recognized authority on comparative religions, cults, and philosophy. Zacharias' holds three doctorate degrees, and his books include the Gold Medallion winner Can Man Live without God, Deliver Us from Evil, Cries of the Heart, Jesus Among Other Gods, and two children's titles. He teaches a weekly, international radio program entitled Let My People Think. Ravi lives with his wife, Margaret, in Atlanta. They have three grown children. |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
quote: No, I'm not saying *you* have to have the last word, but it just seems when I debate someone will continue the debate in some way, that's why when you go on any forum the biggest threads are the debate threads. ------------------ [This message has been edited by lava (edited May 29, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I found this to be an interesting read http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/satanism_in_the_vatican.htm ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Wow Goop -- that's quite the interesting site. I'd say pretty much right in what it says, but pretty much wrong in how they say it. Presenting information in a way like that does nothing but hurt your argument. Also, the whole claiming who and who isn't "burning in hell" isn't right, imo. Who are we to judge the grace of God? --clint |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God. 1Co 6:1 If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? I agree with HanClinto for the most part, but if they claim to be a believer no one is stopping you from asking them questions and finding out what they really believe and who they really follow. |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
All I get from Buddhism is that addictions provide illusions of happiness. Moderation for the body's health, and meditation to keep our minds focussed and loving. People are happy with their addictions because they don't know real happiness. My way of life, or religion, is to be happy, make others happy and to learn for curiosity's sake. If you believe in a god that will torment me (or anyone) forever, then I think you're slightly insane. |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I never said it was 100%. There are a lot of things in it I dont like how they were put. I felt he was beating everyone over the head with his 100% acurate KJV Bible quite a bit. Why did I say that? I looked around and found something attacking other translations as being "satanic lies". The only "true" translation is in a diferent language. Aparently he misread his bible, or someone said something about it and he freaked out. quote: Im sure that was either misread, or a typo. My NLT says "Elhanan son of Jair* from Bethlehem killed the brother of Goliath of Gath,* The handle of his spear was as thick as a weavers beam!. *Hebrew reads son of Jaare-Oregim. So if anything, he was wrong. He says KJV is much more acurate, and word for word, NIV is wrong, perverted. He claims KJV is actualy easier to read (wrong) http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/new_international_perversion.htm ------------------ |
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pylon Member Posts: 30 From: Moscow, Idaho USA Registered: 05-26-2006 |
quote: About what you get from buddhism. Yes, it has insight and it puts things in perspective, but nothing good it provides you will not find in Christianity. Double negative in there, let me rephrase, anything Good you get from buddhism you can also get from Jesus, our creator. Jas 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. I don't believe I EVER heard of God tormenting anyone. If that is the basis of your disbelief please read the new testament. Like you said you learn out of curiosity sake. Seems like you heard some false things probably second hand, why not get it from the source? Oh, but if you mean God will torment you with hell? No, that is not him tormenting you. That is why he sent his only son to earth to die for our sins. Jesus, was pure, he did not deserve to die, he took the sins of the world and made a way for us to escape hell. God wants us to be with him. Jesus said: King James Version: It is not his will that anyone should perish. He does not want you to go to hell. He is seeking you, even now as you are on a christian forum. He wants you to know him. He is not calling you into slavery. He sent his only son as a Sacrificial Lamb to break the Rules, to break the stone tablet, to free you from the law. If you believe that there is no consequences for your actions, then I think you're slightly insane. What would it hurt to continue to seek for more truth, it seems like you already have a grasp on many things, what would it hurt to learn more? Truth or not you can only gain from more knowledge, no? Don't take me as the final authority for what I say here, I am a new christian, though I have been in a christian family all my life, I am still new and I have very limited knowledge. But everything I quoted from the bible is truth. Read it the newtestament, make sure I didn't say anything out of context. No, God does not want to torment you forever. From your perspective it may seem like it or it may seem like He only gives you one other choice but now that I am a Christian I see that there truely is no other and no better way. Not only that but God is the Creator. Don't you want to know where you come from? I tell you the truth Atheism can't explain it unless they run over their own toes. They will Blow off scientific laws in order to do so. Finding out where/who you came from besides your parents should spark your curiosity enough. I am not talking to your pride, I am not trying to prove you wrong, I truelly want you to find the peace I've found. I am not talking to you to follow some rule in the bible or to gain merit. Jesus did it all for me when he died. All I had to do is humbly accept him as the sacrifice he was for my sins. I am not worthy of it, I still sin, I still goof up but because of Love and grace I can be forgiven if I ask for it. There is NO downside, especially from the state you say you are in right now. You already know about the illusions of happiness in addictions and bondage. So why not free yourself from death? I don't really want you to answer me here again. I think you got all you are going to get out of me. I don't really want to post here again. I stated my email in an above message, if you have more questions for me, please email. I'd love to talk. |
CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
OMG I made it to the bottom! Only cost me an hour of my life and being late for a Jazz concert. Real question was, was it worth it? I'll try to address a few things I noticed here. - Religious debates; which I've learned on this site are pointless. No one can outright prove their point without dieing to experience it. If something like a miracle happens one person will always be skeptical and believe it is faked in a way. We might as well as debate on something a little more "down to earth." such as a topic as this, which it started out as. I don't think anything said here will sway a person from one side to another. - Onto the original topic: One thing that I don't appereciate in society is the segregation of classes and benifits to one or another. Yes there's differences between them but when a group (minority/majority) asks/demands certain privladges for themselves it only segregates us more. I understand that we cannot be all the same but when we segregate society into smaller and smaller sanctions it just creates tension and conflict. Take Canadian History for example: the numbered treaties (1871-1921) & the Indian Act segregated the First Nation people from "Canadians" in general. They were not respected as people, but as savages because of their practices. This is now showing up a lot with Land Claim Settlements and court cases pertaining to treaties which show that the segregation was a very negative thing in the first place. Now its fine that women want equal rights, heck who am I to deny them that. But certain things are ment to be. Sports for example. Its a fact that men have naturally stronger bones and tissues to prevent injury. Women wanting to play the contact sports, good for them, but don't cry to me when you snap a shin in two. - This site is all about debates, spam, and projects. If it is outside those classes it usually fizzes out pretty quickly. No one here is here to specifically discourage another from posting, but it may seem so from time to time. Your beliefs may be different from those here, but so are mine, and everyone else's for that matter. - As long as we're introducing ourselves here I might as well clue you in on my stance. I, like Cheese, am athiest. I've partaken in many topics with no real point but am not ashamed to say I was there. I pass by here from time to time to input my thoughts into a topic such as this or mabye stur up a little debate. If you want to know my stance on topics I'll probably end up posting in it sooner or later. I think I covered most things I wanted to talk about... Mostly rambling but hey, what's new? ------------------ |
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Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
There are alot of anti-catholic hate groups out there. In their rush to condemn catholicism they quite frequently ignore common sense, don't bother with things like factual research, and in a few cases like the famous Chick tracks, have deliberately published things they knew to be lies. Don't buy into that kind of stuff, its based on hatred and its usually nothing but lies. If you have questions about catholic beliefs etc, I can probably answer them, but before you pass judgement on anyone, at least give them the courtesy of talking to them personally and giving them a chance to speak for themselves. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Good point ST. I guess I shouldent be fast to jump to conclusions.. although I guess being a slow thinker, thats kinda hard :P About Chick Tracts: They use KJV only. I have heard they use it because people consider KJV to be the only true translation O_o My dad said other than that they were the best ones though.. Thats interesting to know. ------------------ |
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CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
Well its still a fact that equality between sexes is still far off. Cheese & My friend is an example of this. He works at McDonalds, and has a "shaggy" hair cut. So the other day his manager comes up to him and says "you cut your hair, or you leave." Which they can't do. Why? Well to start off she (the manager) had longer hair then him, as well as pretty much every girl that works there. He asked if he could tie it back, or use a hair net or something... no. So where does it become alright for women to have longer hair working with food, but as soon as a guy does it, its wrong, unclean, and against health regulation practices? Just my two cents. ------------------ |
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Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
Capn, the real issue there is image. In society it is acceptable for women to have long hair, even expected. So a woman with long hair is perceived as well groomed, and professional. While a male with long hair is not the societal norm. To most people, the appearence of a male with long hair gives the impression of uncleanliness, undisciplined, unprofessional, etc. Companies actually do have the right to set regulations on that, and they do it quite frequently. Most professional jobs come with a dress code that includes regulations on personal grooming. At my last job it was company policy that male employees had to have short, well trimmed hair, and were not allowed to have beards or goatees, but we could have mustaches provided they were well trimmed. All of that is entirely about public perception. The fact is that companies have a right to control their public image, and that includes your appearence as their employee. As an employee you are a representative of the company, thus they do have the right to determine how you represent them.
The chick tracks have a long history of abusing the facts. However, one of the things published by the company was the "ablerto" series which attacked the catholic church on the basis of testimony from a supposed former priest. The problem was that this guy was never a priest and totaly made up everything in his story. After the stories were published and it was exposed that they guy was a complete fraud, he took off with a bunch of money he made out of his deal with Chick. Chick, however, continued to publish the stuff even though he knew it was not true, and he even invented a cover story about how the church had supposedly assasinated this guy. He also published a series of writings by a "Dr. Rebecca Brown MD" and her involvement with satanism which were totally fiction. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I dont understand the whole "guys cant have long hair cause its dirty and rebelius" Girls arent like that when they have long hair? How is my hair any more dirty than a girls hair? A big thing with guys is they have to keep it MORE clean than girls do! I dunno.. I guess I wont be working at McDonalds Building log homes is better money anyway xD ------------------ quote:hotmail: Grafitiware@hotmail.com Yahoo: namerobbedagian |
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CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
Well I think its a personal issue. He's worked there for well over a year and its only been a problem recently, when a new manager got transfered in. It isn't "dirty" looking either. Pretty much anyway you look at it, it is an empty threat that they couldn't go through with. If they did, he could consult the labour board regarding the issue and get his job back. ------------------ |
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Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
Capn, that would depend entirely upon the actual company policy. If McDonalds has a written policy on appearence and dress code, then they could legally compell your friend to comply, or take whatever disciplinary their policy dictates. Legally companies do have the right to set a dress code/appearence policy and can legally fire people who refuse to comply with it. Usually, however, if there is no written company policy then the law will probably come down that he can't be fired since he's not violating a company policy. Goop, On the surface it would appear to be primarily a cultural value and/or a stereotype. There are two factors there. #1 someone who doesn't conform to cultural norms of appearence is perceived as weird or rebellious, usually both. Also, its a general stereotype (and say what you like stereotypes exist for a reason.. ie because the fit alot of people) that guys with long hair are rebelious, and ill mannered. However, the bible tosses in a curveball in one of the books of Corinthians (I can't remember if its 1st or 2nd at the moment). It says something to the effect "even nature tells us that it is a shame for a man to have long hair". The general theme of the vow (shown in the first to stipulations) is that the person is forgoing the normal comforts of life and enduring the shame of society in order to set themselves apart to God for a period of time. When the vow came to an end the person was required to shave their head. ------------------ |
That_Guy Member Posts: 30 From: TN,USA Registered: 02-26-2005 |
quote: quote: Yeah the NIV does say that, but there could have been a second Goliath. Also the I think the KJV says 'money is the root of all evil' when the proper translation is 'money is a root of all evil'. Pylon quote: Or the format: quote: No offens but scrolling through your post is kinda annoying. And apperntly it is easier to absorb material that is all on the same page. (acording to some articles about how presntaion software is horrible) ------------------ [This message has been edited by That_guy (edited June 05, 2006).] [This message has been edited by That_guy (edited June 05, 2006).] |
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Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
No translation is perfect.. the KJV does have errors in translation.. for example the famous christmas phrase "peace on earth good will to men" should actually be "peace on earth to men of good will". There are several other inaccuracies in the KJV as well. The NIV is one of the worse translations in my opinion, but it still gets the point across. My personal favorite is the ESV. As for "money is the root of all evil" this is one of the most misquoted verses in the entire bible. It actually reads "the LOVE of money is the root of all evil." ------------------ |
Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Titus 2:3-5 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored. And on the subject of women being pastors, Titus 1:6 states that pastors and preachers and overseers of the church should be: "The husband of one wife." If you follow the Bible, you can't go wrong. Lazarus ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: Im weird I supose As for that place in the Bible, I think it was said by Paul... But then agian.. Thats the OPINION of a guy who died almost 2000 years ago ------------------ |
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Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
Goop, The bible is not just some guys opinion Convention, however, is not the same thing as authority. Rebellion is when you go against a rightful authority. Often times serving truth and right requires that we go against the conventions of family, or society. Rebelling against something simply because its is percieved to be an authority, however, is foolish. ------------------ |
I feel the same way. Step back.. stop attacking, and keep a good conversation (the way I dont 