Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
So, What is your take on that Muhammed cartoon printed in Denmark? I think that it's a pain in the rear... will it ever blow over? ------------------ |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
hmm... i think it wasn't such a good idea to draw that comic lol... did you hear about the Muslim who offered 1,250,000 bucks and a new car to the man who killed him? yeesh! ------------------ |
Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
It was an unwise move to say the least, kinda makes you wonder though, how many times has God been blasphemed or ridiculed in the media and we haven't even lifted a finger. ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
but we also don't believe in holy war and killing those who don't convert... lol, of course that's like the Jihad and not all muslims... ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
*shrug* true, though it would be fun to go on a holy rampage of terror :P (That was a MAJOR oxymoron right there :P) ------------------ |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
SLAUGHTER, PILLAGE! KILL ALL WHO-- wait a minute, thats horrible!!! Alright, who the heck called this a Cristian holy war?!?!?! ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
quote: I think it's also the fact that many people just get dissensitized from it all. Though what is happening here now just goes more with what the Bible says, Jesus has been made fun of as long as he originally came to earth and Jesus said that people will hate him, this mohammad thing is recent. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Yeah, it's crazy, they killed like fifty people because of some cartoons? The brainwash tactics must be pretty intense over there, otherwise I can't imagine how you could have that mindset and not realize you're crazy. I do think it'll blow over, or else... "Quit your crying, before we give you something to cry about!" |
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Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
quote: yeah, that's one of the main differences between Jesus and Mohammad. ------------------ |
luke Member Posts: 311 From: I use your computer as my second Linux box Registered: 10-30-2005 |
As far as Islam is concerned: I think islam is the most backward *world wide* religion EVER, it suppresses people, namely women; the very social fabric itself demotes ingenuity. Any1 wonder why practically every muslim country is *dysfunctional*? I'll tell you that as soon as we invent some viable alternative to Oil/Petrol Feuls the Middle East will rapidly decline from any importance from the world... ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Yeah, I wasn't too crazy about the movie Syriana, but it had a good line... "You want to know what the business world thinks of you? We think a hundred years ago you were living out here in tents in the desert chopping each others heads off, and that's exactly where you're gonna be in another hundred. So yes, on behalf of my firm, I accept your money." |
Ashton_JX Member Posts: 156 From: Springfield, Oregon, USA Registered: 02-21-2005 |
Yeesh! So the cartoonist was assassinated? What the... Now who on earth goes and assassinates a cartoonist? I mean, seriously. It is like killing a clown. Who kills a clown? I'd liken it to the most rabid, oversensitive fanboys ever (in mob form). ------------------ Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe. |
Goldrush13 Member Posts: 107 From: Registered: 02-27-2005 |
What! I had no idea they killed the guy! That's a bit too far if you ask me. And about suppressing women, maybe someone can clear this up for me as it's a long time since I've read the bible but I remember when I read it, it seemed to pretty much put men first and women second. That's the message I got from it anyway. |
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nibble Member Posts: 14 From: Registered: 03-03-2006 |
Goldrush, I'd suggest you might take another look. You'll find some real good analysis here: http://www.christian-thinktank.com/femalex.html In the Bible some of the leadership (in areas) goes to the guys generally, but even there you've got to keep in mind what the Bible specifies a true leader as, as Jesus was the Uber example. A leader according to the Bible, and Jesus' own words and actions, is the servant of all. So the role in marriage isn't like dictator and subjects. While a women is encouraged to respect her husband (this is closer to the Greek word, not "obey"), the husband is encouraged to love his wife as himself, to consider her as his own flesh. If you do that, and attempt to work at the servant part, you can hardly be operating solitarily. In affect, this all means that a women is not second in command in the directing of the family, but equal. So there is no first and second in the relationship. Whatever differences there are in the general responsibilities of either, it simply doesn't qualify for such a thing. I also see this emphasis on leadership as necessary for countering many of us male's tendancy toward non-participation/minimal-participation. Women don't generally need this emphasis, so the emphasis for them is different. Paul also approvingly mentions women who were taking leadership roles in the Church. At least one muslim Christian woman was so surprised at reading the Bible, she said it seemed like it must have been written by women, it seemed so good to women, that's just the way it struck her. |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
no, they didn't kill him, unless i haven't been up on the news... but this guy was offering money to anybody who would kill him... that's just as crazy lol... ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
These suposed cartoons were meant to have the oposite effect on musilems. They were meant to show how the musilems were good people. also, some of the toons were fake. One was a picture of a pig in some sort of costume contest.It was actualy made to look like one of the cartoons by a muslim trying to up the heat. I knew another one, but I forgot what it was. ------------------ |
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Ashton_JX Member Posts: 156 From: Springfield, Oregon, USA Registered: 02-21-2005 |
Some people just like to make trouble. o.O ------------------ Tired of loosing your work for all eternity? Jesus Saves! You should too :P (liek every 1 1/2 seconds) This is a message from teh save the data foundation, and from (CTRL + S): Because da data is y00r future. Maybe. |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Looking this thing in the light of Bible we can say that there is nothing new under the sun. Pagans fight wars for their gods because their god wont help them. God has always given victory to He's people by His own hand to those who fear Him and keep His commandments, for He is a loyal God. But muslims fight wars for their god. Of course there are Christians who fight in wars and I suppose some of them think they are fighting for God, but no that's not the way it goes, God gives the victory but if He doesnt then obviously God isnt with them. Jdg 6:31 And Joash said unto all that stood against him, Will ye plead for Baal? will ye save him? he that will plead for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning: if he be a god, let him plead for himself, because one hath cast down his altar. In Christ, ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
But then if god is with both sides, god is with neither... I cant see being unable to call yourself a christian cause you fight for your country. If you look back in history the preachers were the ones leading the battles. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: No one is a Christian nor preacher of the Lord just because he says so. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
well... Im a christian, I beleive it, and I want to be a marine. Does that make me a bad person? ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: What is a bad person? goop I dont want to be hard on you and I'm not directing this to you but the thing is that we either follow Christ from all our heart, keeping His commandments or then we dont. What comes to you being a marine, I hope you reconsider that because fighting against those who you think are worse persons than what you are makes you do exact oppisite what Jesus teaches. And that is forgive and you shall be forgiven, those who show mercy will be shown mercy. In Christ, |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
You see God gave man a change to be god. God gave everything to israel and wiped out the pagans in front of them. But as we know Israel sinned against Lord and worshipped false gods not to mention them forsaking the law. So man is not judge any more, nor does God demand works from man in order to keep the law but just love Him from all heart and Jesus will forgive all sins. And there will be new jerusalem and no one has to fight for it, the times of battles are over. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) [This message has been edited by jari (edited March 18, 2006).] |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Ok I have a question, America was a totally Christian nation, but we had to fight to keep the Christian values, we had to fight for our independence so we could worship God, not be dictated by what a King wanted. Was that an unGodly battle? ------------------ [This message has been edited by lava (edited March 18, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
yes... of course that means Im not gonna be a marine. I hope the first person I dont protect from the evil in the minds of the humans attacking us is jari though. one question jari, why do you say they sined by turing to false gods? They turned away LONG before that.They killed TONS of people, which is the oposite of what jesus teaches! Thats just EVIL! BTW are you baptist? ------------------ [This message has been edited by goop2 (edited March 18, 2006).] |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: America has never fought for Christian values, america fought for independence and there were many reasons why they didnt want to be ruled by england but I doupt that it had anything to do with worshipping God. And some time during the war they decided to advertise the freedom that liberty gives to americans if they will become independent and this freedom had great thought which was that all men are greated equal. That is the right way of thinking but did God bless them and sent His angels against english? I dont know, world is full of wars for independence against dictators and I believe that like God gives every country it's rulers it He also decides how much power will some country have. Just like God allowed pagan countries to rule over Israel in OT when Israel forsaked Him. In Christ, ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: No they didnt sin because God had chosen them to be better than the pagans and God (while giving them the victory) commanded them to destroy the pagans. But after that they gave up on God who had givem them everything and after that they didnt win any more, because God was not with them any longer. So the question you should ask from your self is; is america really better than other countries so that they can destroy the pagans? Is USA one nation like Israel was? It doesnt seem to be so because when some one sinned in Israel they stoned him and thefore removed the evil. But what about USA? The evil (people and their sin) are part of USA. So even there are Brothers and Sisters in Christ like you living the USA it doesnt wash the countrys sin away, all have sinned and every country is full of sinners, how can we raise our flag with the ungodly? People who reject Christ and mock Him? What I'm saying is that there really isnt righteous country and remember that we are under God's grace.
quote: No I'm not. Why do you ask? In Christ, ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
um... about the war thing jari... god told the israelites to conquer Canaan... he did give them the victory, but they had to act... lol... ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
study up on your history jari, it was for rfeedom of religion, meant to be christion religion, now streached WAY out from what it was meant. Have YOU ever sinned? I was wondering if you were baptist, cause you said that god used to do something but now dosent. Thats what the baptists believe. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Yes I have. But why do you ask? ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
I dont know what's your point goop? All have sinned, some have repented and forgiven and many are still to be forgiven, thanks to God's grace. God's grace is what makes difference between some one in Christ and some one who is not. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Well this country was founed on God. God helped us to win one of the early battles with a miracle. ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
to be fair to both sides, this country was founded on a desire to be free from the government and taxation of a foreign power. Our fight for independance had little if nothing to do with God. The "pilgrims" came to America for religious freedom, yes. Soon the colonies were established and America (referring to the soon-to-be nation as well as the north american continent) became an important economic asset. It was felt that it was time for the colonies to "lose the training wheels" and govern ourselves. We didn't like not having say in government, we didnt like being taxed when nobody would tell us why. This all resulted in war. So lava and goop, lets not try to bring God into the American Revolution. We had religious freedom. We wanted economic and political control of ourselves... P.S. jari shouldn't be expected to know much about american history. I'm sure none of us americans on this site know 3 facts about (finnish?) history. ------------------ Will the emo kids be my friends now? [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited March 20, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Ok, I didnt realize that. Sorry Jari. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: It's alright. Life if is just so short, that fighting over years, especially in cost of others and especially in cost of those who aren't going to everlasting peace and happiness in Kingdom of Heaven, seems pointless. In Christ, ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) [This message has been edited by jari (edited March 20, 2006).] |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
um... not bring God into the American Revolution? he's sorta in everything... lol, even "luck" is ruled by God... did you know that George Washington once came back from a battle, took his jacket off, and found 6 bullet-holes through the front of it? if that's not God, i don't know what you want to call it... ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
yeah, and 2-3 horses were shot under him in that battle too. many of us know the stories, but I think crazyishone's point was that we should be careful when we say God is behind this, etc. it's more complicated then that, and sometimes people use the name of God in order to justify their own causes. just saying "God made the country free" is overly simplistic. ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
yes... i agree with that, now that you put it that way... ------------------ |
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Flamers23 Member Posts: 30 From: gilmanton N.H U.S.A Registered: 11-16-2004 |
correct me if im wrong but wasnt the contituition written AFTER the war? and it seems to me this got waaaaaay off the cartoon thing..... ------------------ |
pigpen98 Member Posts: 41 From: Indiana Registered: 03-29-2006 |
what are you guys talking about?! ------------------ |
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Flamers23 Member Posts: 30 From: gilmanton N.H U.S.A Registered: 11-16-2004 |
Pigpen if you dont understand the thread you shouldent post in it ok? ------------------ |
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Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
quote: It might be interesting to not that many of our founding fathers were deists. ------------------ [This message has been edited by chickadoo (edited April 01, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: Your not gonna hurt me that easy... Maybe get me going, but not hurt me. Never, EVER be sorry for speaking the truth. ------------------ |
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Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
Okay, fine.  quote: this started out, obviously, as a thread about the cartoon uproar in denmark. it then went off slightly into abstractions, and is talking about the state of humanity in general. sorry, Flamers; was too overtired this morning. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: That's what I was trying to say, I wont be. ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) |
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The US founding fathers said freedom of speech, which the Muslim nation does not believe in that. Christianity influenced almost oll the US constitution especially the part about freedom of speech so that people can find the truth. As insulting, as the cartoons seemed to be they were factual. People should not lie about the facts and they facts should be said but to the point that action will be taken. It was only to cause problems intentionally and they knew it. The cartoons were somewhat factual since Mohammed was a terrorist if you look at the history of what he did. If you tease a savage dog, can you blame it if it bites you? They know that Muslims react that way and did the cartoon intentionally to cause problems with the people their. The real question is why they wanted to cause problems with Muslims since the news and government knows how they act but treat then religion as a good religion since they do business with them. The person in charge of the newspaper is not Christian I read but the Christians are taking most of the heat. It is odd how it is ok to insult Christianity every day in the media but to state the negative facts of another religion then you are an attacked. The crime rate in Europe went up because of the influx of Muslims, and if things persist as it is going, the Europe will be mostly a Muslim nation since they are the ones that have more kids. Also, Christians do not act or persuaded to act. Many seem to listen to secularists which you can see how the US and Europe have pushed for stupid laws that hurt them and others and do nothing about it and even encourage the wrong things. We have people that say to only talk about the bad things and not do anything about it like those political shows that only vent good people’s frustration than tells them what to do to solve it. ------------------ |
RA Games Member Posts: 93 From: Sacramento, Ca., USA Registered: 05-22-2006 |
"So, What is your take on that Muhammed cartoon printed in Denmark?" Hmmnn, my take is that I think that cartoon is small potatoes compared with what hollywoods "Davinci code" is doing to Christianity right now. Maybe we should all march and burn Hollywood? ------------------ |
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