Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Just wondering what the thoughts would be here on the future of USA. I for one am not happy with the way it is going. It is becoming one of the most immoral nations on the face of the earth. There are direct attacks to remove the name of God from the courts, from schools, even from the culture in general. I find it a serious problem when a nativity scene is setup during the Christmas season and there is a huge uproar saying how it offends people and how it violates this and that. Why does the celebration of a historical event offend someone? Why is this anti-Christian spirit rising up so strongly? I was surprised when I heard that in Russia public schools, that ministers of the Gospel have actually been invited to their school to tell students and staff of the Gospel. Do you think that can legally happen here in America? No way! Actually there are now missionaries from other countries coming to America, where God is not known by the majority. Yeah, people from all over the world actually come to America as missionaries!
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I wouldn't say that. europe is ahead of us. for example, abortion isn't even a issue there. kids are sexualized at a much younger age. 18? psh. what's that they're trying to put up.. um... some thing like a temporary marriage. forgot what it's called. prostituion can be put down as a profession on the german income tax form. it goes on. each country differs, of course, but saying we're the most immoral is a little off. now, saying we're all good is off too. frankly, I'm happy those are controversy here. that means the good still fight back. the future of America is not in our hands, it's in Gods. as some old wizard once said, All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us ------------------ [This message has been edited by ArchAngel (edited June 13, 2005).] |
Max Member Posts: 523 From: IA Registered: 09-19-2004 |
You cannot base immorality on whether people know of God or not, there are many people who do good who are not Christian, and vice versa. I would say we aren't perfect, but who wants to be perfect anyhow? I feel that it will decline for a while, but then morality will shine through after some tragedy (unfortunately)(Unfortunate - the tragedy) I think things tend to hang in a balance, and it sways back and forth a bit, but it eventually stabalizes at an equilibrium. ------------------ |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Yeah there are other nations that are more immoral than the USA. But the USA is getting worse and worse. And what really makes it bad, is that it was founded on Christian principles. Even many of the best colleges and institutions were! Look at the foundation of many of the nations best colleges. Harvard for example, you'll see the name of Jesus Christ and the goal of spreading the gospel in their founding documents. But look at how it's been turned around and now they are pushing the name of Jesus OUT of their schools! Yeah Max, people can do good things without knowing of God. But God says those good deeds are like filthy rags in his sight. Agreed, we are not at all perfect. But one day all true believers will be free from all sin and imperfection.
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GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
And let's not even start on Canada. I mean, that place produces bald-headed scary people!  But seriously, I've lived in or visited most of Europe and a good portion of Central/South America. Most places in the US are generally not that bad but I agree it's getting worse. |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
the thing is, we're not responsible for what others do, all we can do is what God wants US to do. personally, that's all we really need. God would have spared Sodom and Gomorrah if they had 10 righteous people. We don't have to make the whole nation christian (although.. that'd be cool), all we have to do is play our part. ------------------ |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Yeah I agree that we aren't responsible for what others do. But also, if we know the truth, we are responsible to tell it to those that don't. What I really want is for America as a whole nation to experience a revival. Now that would be amazing! It is happening in China as we speak. I want it to happen here... ------------------ |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
I've always been politicaly active.. and viewed political activity (ie voting, being concerned, paying attiontion etc) as the duty of a christian citizen.. and I am profoundly "conservative" or "right wing" however, there is a growing problem with the "conservative/religious right" in the US. The liberal establishment in the US is so pervasively and thuroughly wrong on most issues that much of the conservative side has boiled everything down to supporting "conservatives" and opposing "liberals" (which of course is exactly what the liberals themselves have done as well). We as christians can't revert to an attitude where we simply buy whatever bill of goods "conservatives" are selling.. and oppose whatever liberals say simply because they are "liberals". We have to consider each issue itself and stand on principle on that issue.. not on party lines. A major part of this equation is the fact that much of the christian right believes that our country's salvation, and our victory as believers will come from politics and playing politics. While political involvement is a duty.. it is not where our hope lies. Invariably reducing christianity to a moral ethical system (while that moral ethical system is very necessary) to be imposed politicaly robs christianity of the true gospel and it robs christians of our real focus. Ultimately the war of ideas raging in western civilization (or any civilization for that matter) can not be won by political strategy.. it can only be won by converting people. Showing the gospel and allowing God to use us to transform people's lives. None of this means we shouldn't defend right in the arena of ideas, none of this means we shouldn't be politicaly active.. we should do all those things.. but we need a change of focus. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Sure our governments throw a lot of money around but at least they don't send in goons with machetes when we complain. We Canadians and you Americans both have it pretty sweet. We really gotta watch China, once they get on their feet, it'll be like whoa high quality cars for $35 each, and like, beeow. |
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Conquer Member Posts: 17 From: Netherlands Registered: 08-04-2005 |
I live in Holland/Netherlands. I see many bad things in our country. Abortion, gay mariage, gay festivals. Happily not in my town or something, but ppl thing really freely of such a thing. A lot of ppl believe in that stupid Darwin theory :S . Money is ruling the country. A high person in our country want to remove a lot of people who fled from there country and waiting here already 10 years or more. They are put in some sort of concentration camps (I mean those of the world war II) and then they will be transfered back to there country. It isn't that good to be a european or a dutchman. I want to ask you to pray for us in Holland too, because we really need it. Pray for the ppl who fled to our country and have to go back. Those ppl really have nothing, totally nothing. Some christians will be killed in there country, because they are christians. Pray for us. God bless you. ------------------ |
