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Racism... wow, not another topic on this – ArchAngel

ArchAngel

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hey... found an article... it's racist againsts whites.

http://vdare.com/roberts/harvard_genocide.htm

yeah... doode, I have no idea why I posted this.. we're all anti-racist. oh well. (maybe this topic can shift to affirmative action. haha)

my view on racism.. judging by race is racism. race is merely a social concept created by man.

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One of the greatest acts of humanity I have ever seen was from news footage a few years back during a KKK march in NY. Obviously there were a lot of black people out protesting and things got out of hand.

One white guy was really getting beaten bad and had passed out. People were still beating on him. A young (teen) black girl threw herself on top of the unconcious KKK member to shield him from the blows. She literally saved his life. To be able to put yourself in the way of harm to save someone who hates you, is beyond words. Truly a demonstration of love your enemies...

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ArchAngel

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wow, totally. that's love right there. wonder what that KKK person thinks after that.

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A lot of the anti-racism stuff has become reverse racism.

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Exterminate the white race... lol. These people are pretty messed up.

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some of them refer to the "white" race not as caucasians, but as a racistly supremist people... but it's kinda racist to give them that name... oh, and all you californians.. what do you think of Prop 54?

(Prop 54 basically is a proposition that says gov forms can't require questions asking for what race you are)

One thing about prop 54 I like is that it is convient for me.. I can't choose anything! Can't choose white or asian! I was screwed.

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
some of them refer to the "white" race not as caucasians, but as a racistly supremist people... but it's kinda racist to give them that name... oh, and all you californians.. what do you think of Prop 54?

(Prop 54 basically is a proposition that says gov forms can't require questions asking for what race you are)

One thing about prop 54 I like is that it is convient for me.. I can't choose anything! Can't choose white or asian! I was screwed.



Why would someone not want to say what race they are. I for one am proud to be white (and believe me, i'm from England so i'm as white as they get ). Why would someone not want to disclose what race they are??

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it's not a matter of want, it's just irrelevant. who gives a care? or, more of, who should give a care? you can be proud of a race, but why should it be important, for other than identification purposes?

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
it's not a matter of want, it's just irrelevant. who gives a care? or, more of, who should give a care? you can be proud of a race, but why should it be important, for other than identification purposes?


Can be important for market research as well. When i've filled in forms it never even crossed my mind to question why it was asking that on the form. I just put a circle round caucasian and carry on.

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quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:
Can be important for market research as well.

you kinda lost me actually... can you explain a little further?

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D-SIPL

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
you kinda lost me actually... can you explain a little further?


Well if your researching what the target audience is for a certain album is, you may ask what race the person purchasing it is. In the case of eminem they established that there were also a huge amount of black people who purchased the album, which they knew would be the hardest audience to capture.

Hope that makes sense?

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well, yeah.. but that has nothing to do with the government. Prop 54 is about gov forms.
so I would agree with you on marketing.

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D-SIPL

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
well, yeah.. but that has nothing to do with the government. Prop 54 is about gov forms.
so I would agree with you on marketing.



oh right sorry. well the government just wanna know everything about everyone.

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Big brother, of course... haha.
(funny tho, most liberals are against this prop. You'd think liberals would want it off for discriminating... hmmm...)

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(EXCUSE THE CAPS I AM AT WORK) I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THESE PPL WHO ARE PROUD ABOUT WEIRD THINGS, I AM A WHITE, HETERO MALE----BUT I CAN'T SAY I AM PROUD OR ASHAMED OF BEING THOSE TWO THINGS---IT IS JUST PART OF WHO I AM AND IT DOESN'T EVEN CROSS MY MIND MOST OF THE TIME-----I SEE ALL THESE PEOPLE SO PROUD OF THEIR RACE AND SEXUALITY THAT THEY HAVE TO ORGANIZE PARADES AND COUNTER-PARADES AND BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THOSE THAT ARE DIFFERENT--------ALL I SEE THERE IS A BUNCH OF IGNORANT PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY DO BEST---BE STUPID. I THINK (ESPECIALLY ON JOB APPS) THAT THE RACE SHOULD NOT BE ASKED FOR AND THE PART THAT HAS THE NAME SHOULD HAVE AN ID NUMBER ON IT, THEN YOU RIP OFF THE NAME, HIRE THE PERSON BASED SOLELY ON THE INFO ON THE APP---AND THE RECONNECT THE NAME LATER USING ID NUMBER---THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO HIRE A PERSON BECAUSE YOU ARE HIRING BASED ON INTELLEGENCE, ABILITY AND EXPERIENCE NOT RACE OR SEX.

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ArchAngel

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well, I'm proud of my sexuality.... I'm hetero. fiercly so... Girls rock... That's because it's who I am, who I chose to be. It's me. Race is not me. It doesn't matter cuz it's just a social concept created based on color of skin, shape of face, and location of birth.

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im a very proud gay atheist white guy

I believe that there was some real good conversation going before the fringe liberals (yes redundant, but i am liberal and I refuse to be fringe liberal) went through all the cool debates and changed it from the dominant paradigm to the big fat white suburban paradigm.

the analysis of the oppressor vs. the oppressed used to mean something

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Yeah right, and I'm proud of my viking blood, who went off and killed stupid people.

To me the only thing that matters with "race" is culture. Not all cultures are the same, and each is screwed in one way or another.

Not to sound self-righteous, but I have only one thing to be proud of, and that is Christ living in me, though even that doesn't show like it ought to. Love, not pride, is what we should be striving for. True love can only start with God, and through His Son (sorry athiest). If you say you have love when you deny God, then you lie. If you love God, you love His Son. If you love His Son, you keep his commandments. That's what Jesus Himself stated.

So, if you truly want to accomplish the goals that atheists claim to want, you have to start here.

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I am from England and I do not consider myself to be racist in any way. I am also opposed to reverse racism. In London if your English child goes to school he will be taught English alongside Asian/Oriental people. Why should an English child have to start at the same level as a non-English speaker. Also Evolution is taught as fact which it is not, and Christianity is taught alongside Hunduism and jewism(have I spelt that right)I have no problem with those subjects being covered but Christianity is fact. Jesus did not die on the cross for us so that socialists could say that students should only study him one period every second week.

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zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by Silicon_Chippy:
I am from England and I do not consider myself to be racist in any way. I am also opposed to reverse racism. In London if your English child goes to school he will be taught English alongside Asian/Oriental people. Why should an English child have to start at the same level as a non-English speaker. Also Evolution is taught as fact which it is not, and Christianity is taught alongside Hunduism and jewism(have I spelt that right)I have no problem with those subjects being covered but Christianity is fact. Jesus did not die on the cross for us so that socialists could say that students should only study him one period every second week.


it is judaism actually:-) jesus died on the cross so we can make a choice for him---and making kids study him in school is not making a choice---------it is just like studying math or gym------those aren't a part of your soul after high school-----and throwing Jesus in the classroom puts him down on that level---Jesus shouldn't be the stress of home work he should be the freedom that students see in the christian students and teachers and want to have that same freedom---I say that todays christian students in school---who are christians all the time---are better in a reaching out sense than any class room could be-----------as far as English students learning with Orientals-----I think it is good------if you have students together in a common learning experience with different backgrounds---it teaches patients right off the start---I work at a call center and too many people slam the phone down after a call and say "Damn Rag Head or F%$(*&^% GOOK" or other hateful terms, because they get frustrated with accents-----because I have a different background of being used to different people----I never have a problem with people that have heavy oriental or middle eastern accents----and i feel the eariler children are exposed to different people---the better off the society because child like understanding is way more pure than how most adults screw it up :-)

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zookey

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OK---just read the article here is an excerpt
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The privilege of being white is that whites can secretly believe they are superior and, as long as they donít mention it, be loyal to the white race.
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this sounds like both the jerk doctor and the writer of this article are the same type of people on different sides of a stupid fence---the Harvard guy is definately a racist--------but this guy isn't any different and this is way at the bottom-------he ticks you off with facts of what other racits are doing then sneaks in his own propaganda quip right at the end--------------------------people are dangerous like that-------------and it looks to me that this whole site is kinda questionable in their views--------a lot of it seems to be not trusting darker skinned people-------I am anti-racist every single way---------man this site just gives me the heebeegeebees tho-------------if anyone needs anymore insight into what my view is on that site, and all racits and jerks in general, please look down and read my signature:-)

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zookey

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well, even tho I think that website is bad----I decided to play a little baiting game----I sent the Harvard dude an email and I will post his response here is the email I sent to him (I am being really nice so to get an answer that I hope is what he truly feels):
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Hello, my name is J-----and i am an avid web surfer-----I came across a forum where some one listed a link, the link took me to a website with a story about you----and the story quoted you as saying

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The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race
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I was wondering two things:

1) Did you really say that quote?

2) If you did (I mean this with all due respect)-----what makes you different than a member of the KKK? Please don't say the color of your skin---that is a really simple answer to a very complex question-----I want to know the justification of what makes a Havard educated person saying whites are bad any different from a KKK member saying blacks are bad.

again, I mean this with all due respect---I am currently taking part in an intellectual debate on the subject and I decided to get the word directly from the person quoted (you) than a website that I did not know that well-----thanks for your time.

J

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ArchAngel

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wow cool.

i'd be interesting to hear what he says.

I also heard one group of people (who kinda support his claims) say that the "white race" represents racial superioists and stuff.
dunno what he thinks, tho.

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zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
wow cool.

i'd be interesting to hear what he says.

I also heard one group of people (who kinda support his claims) say that the "white race" represents racial superioists and stuff.
dunno what he thinks, tho.


you find ignorant jerks everywhere----------------that is one thing that irritates me about our society---------we (usa) are so touchy about racial issues and whiney-------------yet we pass laws that allow all sorts of racism, have all white proms, protect the rights of the kkk and black panthers, and when Michael Jackson gets busted for child raping everyone and their dog cries because he is black---------------if we just all turned color blind it would solve a lot of problems right away-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------it isnt suprising that people are ignorant what is surprising is how far they go to prove it.

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zookey

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no response yet--either that was a fake email addy, he thought the question to low for his 'greatness' or he sucks at checking his email

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zookey

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HASNT ANSWERED SO FAR HEHE

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ArchAngel

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hmmm... I wonder tho, what if they made up the person...
or, maybe he fears the truth...
or he's swamped with mail..
or he forgot how to use his computer...
who knows...

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I don't care what colour or race I am. I'm white Irishmen, and no I'm not thick b4 anyone asks and no I do not go putting people's windys in and petrol bombing cars :P

I've always thought racism to be tied along with evolution. Black ppl are hairier and darker and look more like monkeys... so they must be inferior. Know wot I mean?

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I still can't believe all this racism is still going on. As far as I'm concerned, we're all part of the human race. All color is is a different level of a pigment, and should be no different than eye color or hair color.

Sigh - I guess some people never learn .

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^ Exactly. But you can say that as you know that all men are created equal by God. Not randomly evolved in different places and hence some people are more evolved than others.
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I personally think races are social concepts we created. what is the difference between whites, asians, hispanics, and africans? I mean, for me, I'm half white, half asian. so.. am I white or asian? I'm neither. White's say I'm Asian, asians say I'm white.
so, basically, we're all humans. end of story.

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