Mene-Mene Member Posts: 1398 From: Fort Wayne, IN, USA Registered: 10-23-2006 |
We've talked about it many times on other threads but I'd like a centralized source for it. I'd like to know you know, some techniques for hacking within legal environments. Like Authorized Unauthorized Hacking. (like www.hackthissite.org wants you to hack their site, and then tell them how you did it. As far as I know, its legal and Authorized because they Authorized you to do it, but it wasn't in the design of the Website.) Anyway, I'd also like to know what you guys/girls are if applicable on www.hackthissite.org. I'm Lefty77. For you hacking experts out there. I've been working my way up the missions, and I'm up to Realistic 2, Application 5, Javascript 4, and Basic 8. I'm not looking for answers, but when I do Javascript 4, I'm pretty sure I do it right, but its not giving me the password, its redirecting me instead, same goes for Javascript 5. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Mene-Mene (edited August 18, 2007).] [This message has been edited by Mene-Mene (edited August 19, 2007).] |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Well hey Mene-Mene, a general good practice: if there were in fact a vulnerability, you report it to an admin privately. "hackthissite" is ... something. The best thing you can really do for yourself is just keep learning. Read everything you can get your hands on, things about networking and programming, security and even social engineering. Anything that teaches you "how to hack" is only partially useful. That knowledge has a short shelf-life. The idea behind what I'm saying is essentially that if you know how to build something, breaking it or making it do something it wasn't intended for will come "easily." I am not dishing out a morality lesson here. I'll tell you right off, "hacking websites" is not difficult, and its not respectable. There are plenty of tools you can use to find some vulnerable target and mess with it with little effort on your own part. Not very interesting... :-/ Don't participate in debates over semantics. What a hacker is or isn't, what a white/grey/blackhat is. Its all ultimately BS. Just remember, the motivation should be to Learn. Bypassing security and all that crap is just secondary, it will come naturally with knowledge of various systems. (Especially if you find like-minded people and good resources for information.) Start Here if you want to gain some perspective on the nature of "hacking". This is a mix between the two popular definitions: the brilliant coders of now and decades ago, and people who adapt things to unexpected uses. It also covers the general consensus of what a "cracker" and "skript kidde" are. Enjoy your learning. ------------------ |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
I used to be part of a "learnToHack" website but it really had nothing to do with cracking, etc. it was just a series of puzzles which was a blast. It's not really something to be taken seriously in my opinion; if you were actually into that sort of thing then you wouldn't be on that site. Just read up on your computer stuff/protocols. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
mene-mene i already talked about this very same site on another thread a while ago i use to go to that site and i did good for a while until i saw real 7 or 8 where they have a hacking challenge on hacking this Church website or something like that because the Christians were against homosexuality or something and i just couldn't take part of a site like that ,my username is spade89 or hts too,check out how much i've gone. and however legal it maybe hacking doesn't go with the teachings of the BIBLE / JESUS CHRIST . i use to really like hacking alot but the more i got into the word the more i saw how bad it is, and i know about the whole black-hat whit-hat hacker thingy,even if you are a white-hat hacker who only hacks legally and keep in mind if you are breaking in to anyplace you probabaly shouldn't be there in the first place. reverse enginering cracking and all that is imho for coders who don't really have a passion for coding. it's harder to write a code than to mess up or crack a program. the same thing for a site it's harder to code an entire site/server than to break into or subvert that. although you like the challenge keep in mind that's not the real challenge the real challenge is to write the code. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
And you missed the point... Its about creativity: making things do what you want, do things they weren't actually made to do, etc. Like I said, making something is where its at. Without the conversation devolving into a debate over semantics, let this be known: The details of "hacking" have changed over the decades, but the spirit remains constant. Anything else that has nothing to do with that ingenious and inquisitive spirit is merely a bastardization perpetuated by the ignorant and misinformed. The word itself has been changed, but the nature that it used to describe is preserved in the work of those who embraced it. Don't just accept the definitions the media throws at you, and certainly don't take my word for it. Do some real research into the "history of hackers." You'll find college kids messing with model trains, and groups of people with incredible mastery of their chosen fields. Even looking at the "Great Hacker War" which embodies the security/anti-security model of what a hacker can be, you see immense skill and knowledge. This kind of "hacking" is certainly what helped influence the mass negative perception, but its only one of the manifestations of "hacking". If you helped make the system what it is, controlling a bit of it should only come naturally. I'm not glorifying crime, I'm emphasizing the generally positive aspects of "hacker" culture. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
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i know well about the history of hacking even how the word hacking came about it didn't even start with computers don't assume too much and it's really rude that you called me all those names even though you don't know me i use to have lots of cracking/hacking utilities and you don't have to be a genius to figure them out. as for making things do what they normally wouldn't do if a program was coded not to do something you shouldn't mess with it unless it's open source, when you install/get a program you are agreeing to the eula(end user licence agreement) and you are violating that agreement you made when you mess /crack the code as for sites i see the act of hacking sites legally the same as someone trying to learn how to break in into a bank or rob a bank except legally or a thief trying to practice breaking into a car except with his own car(keep in mind i am not comparing anyone to these kinds of people just using an analogy of the situation) although you may never actually hack the site/crack the software,challenging your intellect to do evil is wrong. challenge your mind in trying to do good. this is where these legal hackers try to decieve you they say it don't matter whether your code is for good or for evil as long as your intention is to further your intellect,but in reality it does matter whether you are using you coding skills trying to crack a program or hack a site or if you are using your skills trying to code a useful program like the Chrisitan games displayed here at ccn or anything else. if you are interested in website try using your site coding skills by offering your help for free for Churches and stuff instead of practicing how to hack sites(it looks better on your resume too). that being said don't underestimate my intellingence i know both sides of hacking and i am not telling you what the media told me i know the definiton of hacking you are talking about,i even saw a bunch of hacking movies and stuff like 'hackers" i use to be around the hts irc a lot unitl i got saved,then i couldn't tolerate some of the words they said there and all in all as a Christian i can't see myself spending time practicing evil and justifiing it by saying it's to further/challenge my skills and intellect. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
This debate pops up every once in a while here at CCN. So lets re-iterate the points. 1. The definition of a 'hacker' and 'hacking' have changed over the years. 2. You need to look at the history. Some reading. I don't know much about the security side of things, so somebody else will have to point you in the direction of that material. But i will add that any activity that is illegal, is wrong in the eye's of God.
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
i know, i even told you that it didn't start with pc's it started in the 60's or something with a bunch of kids working on some kind of electricity related thingy. the kind of hacking you seein hts and other sites are not the kind of original hacking .you rarely find people who call themselves hackers as in the original term. now a days what use to be hackers are regular hired programmers the job of a hired programmer is to come up with a better code just like it was originally for hackers,since there are so many coders now the need for the original kinds of hackers was eliminated and the kind of hackers you see now are either those who crack software or break into sites for malicious purposes or those who do it in a legal way,which both imho is wrong. if you want to use the original term of hacking then everyone that tries to wirte better code is a hacker. and i have no problem with writing better code as long as you are not writting your code for evil purposes. i think it's better for any programmer that is considering programming as a career seriously to write programs and practice doing so instead of trying to be the popular kind of whiz kid hacker who knows more about breaking programs and breaking into sites more than how to actuall develop code. it is a big waste of your time,try practicing how to actually code,if you want to challenge your skills do something like kernel coding,or linux dev,or writing your own versions of your favorite programs.
and about freebsd i really don't like that since it has the devil as a logo??? what's your opinion on that?maybe we should have a different theread for that. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I thought D-SIPL's sig was fairly obvious... besides, I think D-SIPL's a brit, and they hate nazi's more than us 'Murcans. although, you'll have to explain this: quote: how can security companies test their software if white-hat hacking is wrong, on some level? I think D-SIPL and crazyishone summed it up better than I, but as I see it, Hacking is a skill. What you chose to do with it determines it's ethical value. ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
The quote is pointing fun at Microsoft... "One World. One Web. One Program." -Microsoft promotional advertisement I thought it was funny... Meh. As for FreeBSD, it's my OS of choice right now. I like to support it. I did say i would remove it if anybody had a problem with it. So i'll go and do that now And we brits love you err 'Murcans. We might have disagreements, and certaintly have in the past, but we're family here ------------------ |
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samw3 Member Posts: 542 From: Toccoa, GA, USA Registered: 08-15-2006 |
I have been a sysadmin. Thank the Lord I'm just a programmer now.  And I can vouch that knowledge in internet security exploitation and hardening , currently called hacking (black or white hat), is a _must_. If you only know how to install service packs on windows machines you are going to be stuck in a lackey position doing just that. Sniffing is critical to finding bottlenecks and ab(users) of your network. Port scanning is essential for detecting modern viruses. Dictionary password "attacks" against your own systems can preemptively detect any weak passwords your users have come up with.(Working for a christian college, a dictionary attack turn up the director of financial aid's system password was "jesus".. sheesh) And from a web developers view, knowing what and how to do sql injections can protect you from your own site being hacked. So, lets agree that, while hacking is wrong, knowing how to hack can offer more security and a higher salary. Its the same as a thief who breaks into homes by picking locks and the locksmith who breaks into the same home by picking the lock.. because the owner's pay him to. Its the same knowledge. On that note.. let me enlighten your minds and show how secure your home really is.. Check out the Bump Key (5 minute video). Is ignorance bliss? I think not. God Bless! ------------------ |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
One of the companies i worked at hired a company to attack a clone of their website. It's normal security practices to get other people to try to crack your programs and software. Would you rather it be done but a friend or by some bloke in another country who doesn't really intend on using it for friendly purposes? @Spade: you stated that when you get a program you agree to a EULA but websites don't normally have those. I thought we originally started talking about cracking websites here, not software... ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
I'm with D-SIPL on the definition of Hacker. If I responded before him I would have use the same links and definitions.
quote: Thankfully you were with a bunch of jerks known as "intolerant people", not the common geek  Lesseeee... "Thou shalt not steal", "covet" and maybe one or two other commandments... Nope. None of them apply here unless a black-hat hacker breaks a law, steals a password, or covets the newest release of WoW. Why? Are you saying that someone who picks locks for a living making keys for elderly people who lose them is wrong? What makes it wrong for you? I break in to my own computer (well try to) occasionally to see how secure it is. I break in to my sisters and disable things when my parents want her off the internet. If you've got permission, and it doesn't go against the Bible, how is it wrong? How is finding a weakness to protect something immoral when the practices and reasons to do so aren't? Somebody's got to do it. Reverse engineering is an art. People do it all the time in the non-computer world. How does China make clones of US and Japanese cars, trinkets, and the like? Reverse engineering. Linux hackers reverse engineer hardware all the time to create a Linux driver. It's not illegal to do that, you know. Of course. We all know it's easier to destroy than to create. Nothing new. Let's move on. There is no "one true way" of geekdom, spade. It's quite hard to find vulnerabilities and exploit them without anyone knowing. It's very hard to imagine an attack and close undiscovered vulnerabilities (think of finding a needle in a hay stack). Coding... well, no offense to Mene or anyone younger, but even a 5-year old can code a game. I know one. Then again, certain types of coding are very hard (such as multithreading). You're touching a huge subject with very little references. Please include them.
quote: It's going "where no geek has gone before". Spirit. Good way of putting it. The spirit of hacking isn't wrong. I agree with some of the things you're trying to get at, Spade, since many actions of that spirit are wrong. It used to be cracker, now it's hacker  How very true. Areed. Give us the resources you've been using as a basis for your argument, Spade. Please. I pride myself in calling myself a hacker. Calling me a sinful criminal (indirectly) by stating that hacking in general is wrong, is quite insulting. Let me tell you that I don't get insulted very easily.
quote: So why are you against something that is OK? You have to be a genius to be a successful black-hat hacker. The US really hates those types. Doing stuff un-detected is really difficult. Woa woa woa. Not every program has a restrictive EULA and not every hacker will break the law and modify it. So being trained by the military as a soldier on how to kill someone with a gun is wrong? Since where is that kind of protection wrong? A soldier learns to kill to protect a country. A hacker learns to break in to protect a web site. How is breaking in with permission to learn how to protect something wrong? Agreed. Learn to crack web-sites and get hired by some company or the US government to protect and patch vulnerabilities. Not all of them say that. But it's sad to see that some do. You're comparing a goldsmith to a carpenter. There's a big difference between game coding, or cracking (and certain types of hacking) coding. I offered to scan my church's web site for vulerabilities. I hacked, legally. I discovered a flaw. I upgraded the software. Guess what, I could have prevented some intolerant fool from taking control of the site! Great. Everyone here on this site will agree with you saying that doing wrong to challenge your intellect is sinful. But there are[/b] people known as "Christian Hackers". People such as me. Are you saying that because many racecar drivers are immoral, that there shouldn't be a moral Christian racecar driver who doesn't sin?
quote: Actually it was phones, phone lines, and stealing free calls. (According to Steal this Computer Book 4.0) Which is a shame. Why won't you call yourself a hacker in the original term? Many people still do. Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond, Linus Torvalds, Bill Gates (just barely ), CPUFreak91, crazyishone. I just mentioned 6 original kinds of hackers who are [i]not eliminated. I suggest you find yourself a copy of the book Rebel Code. Many original hackers and new generation "original" hackers are alive and well. Why is it wrong? What in legal hacking goes against US law and the Bible? Wait. You just said what used to be done by hackers are done by regular programmers. Now you say that regular programmers are hackers.
So why are you against legal cracking then. The better "malicious" code you write, the better chance you'll find a vulnerability and save your employer money. And the only people who try to be popular are called skript kiddies and leets. Programmers are competitive and like to be popular like any human being, but they don't let that get in the way of their code, purpose, and faith in God.
quote: Actually it was phones, phone lines, and stealing free calls. (According to Steal this Computer Book 4.0) Which is a shame. Why won't you call yourself a hacker in the original term? Many people still do. Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond, Linus Torvalds, Bill Gates (just barely ), CPUFreak91, crazyishone. I just mentioned 6 original kinds of hackers who are not eliminated. I suggest you find yourself a copy of the book Rebel Code. Many original hackers and new generation "original" hackers are alive and well. Why is it wrong? What in legal hacking goes against US law and the Bible? Wait. You just said what used to be done by hackers are done by regular programmers. Now you say that regular programmers are hackers.
So why are you against legal cracking then. The better "malicious" code you write, the better chance you'll find a vulnerability and save your employer money. And the only people who try to be popular are called skript kiddies and leets. Programmers are competitive and like to be popular like any human being, but they don't let that get in the way of their code, purpose, and faith in God. Is quoting Satan's temptation of Jesus wrong? Is it non-christian? Aldolf Hitler said a bunch of interesting things and *gasp* even some that weren't evil! You're right about another thread but let me say that not every image that offends you will be removed. But if it's causing you to sin, Paul did tell us not ask people to eat food from idols if they didn't feel comfortable doing so.------------------ "Oh, bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." "Socialism works great... if there are no people involved." -- Pastor David Ginter, Union Church of Guatemala. My Programming and Hacker/Geek related Blog [This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited August 21, 2007).] |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
C++ C Perl Python Sockets, C & C++ Sockets, Perl Sockets, Python All your web coding needs. IronGeek, a good starting point for your security/anti-security education. There ya go, Mene-Mene. Learn from the ground up. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
ok cpufreak your post was kind of really really long so i will try to respond to as much as i like to quote: well we've been cold many things intolerant,hateful etc... but we call ourselfs Christians . and really are you saying this because i am against homosexuality? well let me clarify i hate homosexuality just as GOD hates homosexuality but i don't hate the people(homosexuals) and i don't tolerate sin,in reality Christians love homosexuals more than you do,because we care enough to speak against their sin and we care enough to tell them it's wrong if we didn't care or if we hated them all we have to do is shut our mouths and let them go to hell,(i am assuming you are not a Christian here so...).
quote: Why? Are you saying that someone who picks locks for a living making keys for elderly people who lose them is wrong? What makes it wrong for you? [/QUOTE] i said on some level,i didnt say all whit hat hacking is wrong,as long as you have the consent of the owner or the sie/program you are hacking i think it's ok,but enjoying the act of breaking into anything is imho wrong. quote: I break in to my own computer (well try to) occasionally to see how secure it is. I break in to my sisters and disable things when my parents want her off the internet. If you've got permission, and it doesn't go against the Bible, how is it wrong? How is finding a weakness to protect something immoral when the practices and reasons to do so aren't? [/QUOTE] i said probably and in the context i said it was obvious i meant if you break in without consent.
quote: Somebody's got to do it. Reverse engineering is an art. People do it all the time in the non-computer world. How does China make clones of US and Japanese cars, trinkets, and the like? Reverse engineering. Linux hackers reverse engineer hardware all the time to create a Linux driver. It's not illegal to do that, you know.[/QUOTE] again if it's legal i got no problem with it as long as the owner of the object you are reverse enginering or the holder of the patent has no problem with it. quote: I pride myself in calling myself a hacker. Calling me a sinful criminal (indirectly) by stating that hacking in general is wrong, is quite insulting. Let me tell you that I don't get insulted very easily. [/QUOTE] pride is a sin by itself.
quote: So why are you against something that is OK? [/QUOTE] where did i say it was okay i said before i got saved i thought it was okay and i really enjoyed it,you could almost say it was mylife but when i got saved JESUS changed my heart and shade a light for me about sinfulness of hacking(or at least the kind of hacking that was at hts an d the whole environment) . ask me if you would like me to elaborate.
quote: You have to be a genius to be a successful black-hat hacker. The US really hates those types. Doing stuff un-detected is really difficult. [/QUOTE] and black hat hacking is wrong,and in reality all you have to do is use some tool like nessus .
quote: Woa woa woa. Not every program has a restrictive EULA and not every hacker will break the law and modify it. [/QUOTE] if you don't violate the eula or any law then i don't see the problem.
quote: So being trained by the military as a soldier on how to kill someone with a gun is wrong? Since where is that kind of protection wrong? A soldier learns to kill to protect a country. A hacker learns to break in to protect a web site. How is breaking in with permission to learn how to protect something wrong? [/QUOTE] absolutely being in the military is wrong lots of Christians actually go to jail because the refuse to join the military in the time of war.(give the other cheek,don't resist an evil man,etc...)and soldiers don't keep you alive GOD does.
quote: Agreed. Learn to crack web-sites and get hired by some company or the US government to protect and patch vulnerabilities. [/QUOTE] obviously that's not what i meant,but i guess you like word twisting. quote: i think it all depends on the meaning you are giving the word hacking but if you are refering to black_hat hackers saying you are a Chrisitan hacker is like saying a Christian thief or a Christian serial killer.
quote: Actually it was phones, phone lines, and stealing free calls. (According to Steal this Computer Book 4.0) [/QUOTE] no that's phreaking not hacking,if i have time to do so i'll look it up again and post the real origin.
quote: Which is a shame. Why won't you call yourself a hacker in the original term? Many people still do. [/QUOTE] i find the term hacker being offensive and misrepresenting my identity, although i like coding and all it's not like it is the center of my life it's not like i live to code. i identify myself as a Christian first then everything else comes next. quote: Wait. You just said what used to be done by hackers are done by regular programmers. Now you say that regular programmers are hackers. [/QUOTE] in the original sense yes but no in the sense we are talking about here(balck hat /white hat hacking).
quote: first of all my question was to d-sipl and i didn't even say it was wrong you are just twisting my words making it look like the way you want it to look,i just didn't understand why he did that and i asked him to explain.
quote: You're right about another thread but let me say that not every image that offends you will be removed. But if it's causing you to sin, Paul did tell us not ask people to eat food from idols if they didn't feel comfortable doing so. [/QUOTE] again it's none of your buisiness and you are twisting my words,i didn't even ask him to remove ,i was just asking him why he chose it. and it's not causing me to sin. d-sipl: i wasn't asking you to remove,your choice is your choice and your right is your right,i was just commenting on why you chose that,and how come you didn't find it offensive,other than it was just a comment.
don't give me a lengthy reply like the one you just did and don't take what i said out of context just to twist my words. it's like you have some personal grudge or something against me.
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Well here, I'll give you a short reply. *You're still missing the point. Seriously man, from wikipedia: Hide the women and children... ------------------ |
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dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
EDIT: this post may be a bit long. If you'd rather not read it Spade, just read the bottom, it tries to clarify things with a different, nicer, tone. The whole homosexuality thing is totally off-topic. I NEVER mentioned or implied anything about homosexuality.
quote: quote: Yet you contradict yourself just now by previously saying that legal cracking (ie, cracking with consent) is wrong.... I know of a good Christian book on logic if you'd like brush up on your connections. You now clarify by saying that enjoying the act of breaking into anything is wrong... can't boys just be boys? Why can't people enjoy an honest challenge and the thrill of succeeding?
quote: It really came across to me that you had a "problem" with it previously: quote:
quote: Proud of your country... lack of it is called "unpatriotic". Proud of your faith... Paul boasted, boasted about his faith. Pride is just one step under boasting. Did Paul sin? Are soldiers sinning because they love their country and are proud enough of it to die? If you want to answer that questions, I suggest you start a new thread. Or use Realm Master's "Girls" spam thread. You insult be greatly by calling my love of the talent which God gave me a sin.
My pride is in my talent, which comes from the Father.
quote: You didn't. I said it was ok. Unless it's causing you to sin, it's ok for me and the average Christian coder out there.
quote: So you made hacking an idol? If so I understand why you're against it... for you. If so... why is hacking in general (as you are implying) an idol for the rest of us?
quote: You are comparing Apples to Oranges. Windows to MacOS. The Koran to Buddha's teaching. Reverse engineering is different from all other kinds of coding. quote: No no. There's no word twisting going on here. Challenge your mind (you said that) by learning to crack web-sites (your own, or legally of course) and get hired by some company or the US government to protect and patch vulnerabilities (I said that). I didn't twist your words, I based my thoughts off of the ideas of your sentence.
quote: I'm going by what D-SIPL said: 1. The definition of a 'hacker' and 'hacking' have changed over the years. The media use the word hacker to portray somebody who legally/illegally gains access to a computer or system using some backdoor/exploit. The media who caught onto this word knew nothing, they didn't understand hackers or the hacking community that existed at the time. Hacking was not about computer security. This means I am referring to black hat crackers (what the media calls a hacker). A black hat cracker (or as you called: hacker) who calls himself a Christian is a hypocrite, just like a Christian serial killer.
quote: Ok. What you said relates to the idol issue I mentioned above. I shan't pressure you to call yourself something you'd rather not. Just don't pressure me (as you're doing indirectly by calling hackers "bad guys") to change my lable. QUOTE by me: quote: Ok then, please define what branch of hacking (if you'd rather not call that type of hacking "cracking") you are referring to.
quote: Then please do that in PM or email. On that subject. Check your PMs.
quote: I'm trying very hard not to (since it could have happened, and since you seem to think so). I'm expanding upon your ideas and questioning your answers, which have frequently not made much sense. I'm dissecting what you say and asking questions (or maybe provoking answers, hehe) to understand it. You're making way more sense now. Thank you for clarifying! 
quote: You're speaking about something I love. And you're not talking about it or my kind very kindly (at certain points). I'm defending my thoughts, and God-given talent.
quote: I tried. Did I succeed?  ------------------ "Oh, bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." "Socialism works great... if there are no people involved." -- Pastor David Ginter, Union Church of Guatemala. My Programming and Hacker/Geek related Blog [This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited August 22, 2007).] |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
hey about the freebsd thing i am just not comfortable with the mascot,the world may think it's okay to have a represantation of a demon as a mascot,but i don't since i do believe in demons and they are my enemies i can't stand the sight of any thing that represents them(specially direct represantation) would a patriotic american soldier use a product that has osama bin laden as it's logo? or would an atheist use an o/s with the BIBLE or the Christian fish sign or a crucifix as a logo? same thing here my enemy don't like me and i really don't like either him or anything that represents him,anyway it's all way off the topic of this thread. you know people get fired at their jobs for wearing crucifix and stuff,or caryying/reading a BIBLE that's giving an image too much power that and making supreme court cases over images is giving an image too much power,boycotting an o/s is simply saying i don't like the way it looks i find it offensive. and i didn't even try to make anyone think/act the way i do,i was just merely asking a simple question,directed at d-sipl ,i don't get why all of you guys even mind? or maybe you want me to be like you ignoring and tolerating things that are against your beliefs. i realize the image isn't an image of an actual demon (probably nowhere even close)but it is a widely known represantation of the devil and/or his demons,personally i don't care how much candy wrapping you do around this one my enemy is my enemy and nothing changes that fact. dartsman: was your reply to me? EDIT: i realize we disagree on lots of points and if you'd like to start a separate thread for each of those be my guest,other than that i did contradict myself a bit,and i still do think black hat hackers are wrong,and some white hat hackers(note that i said some) are wrong in what they do. but i do apologize for the contradiction other than that the only major thing i would like to reply to you is about pride, pride is wrong pride in country,race,sex,or national origin,you name it but if you have pride in any skill ,or identitiy you have that's not of faith i think that's a sin and a big one. if you are saying the hacking skills you have are a result of your faith in GOD then mention that and give glory to GOD and what you do wouldn't be pride. other than that pride as in the sense of glorifying yourself imho is a sin. i know that you have some coding/hacking skills and there is nothing wrong with being happy with the skills you have just don't boast about it glorifying yourself. but if you are glorifying GOD, i have absolutley no problem with that.
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [This message has been edited by spade89 (edited August 22, 2007).] |
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dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
quote: No, to Mene-Mene... you know, that guy who actually asked the question... although my 'learn2code' doesn't actually answer his question... my reply should be 'no'... ------------------ [This message has been edited by dartsman (edited August 22, 2007).] |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
mene-mene & everyone else: i am sorry if i have kinda hijacked the thread ,it's just that i answer a reply then someone comes and tries to dissect every little sentence i have said and i have to respond to that an on an on and on.... anyways i really don't enjoy making long posts and changing the topic and all that. mene-mene: since you are the one who asked the question i will say this to you i won't try to influence your moral beliefs you do that by yourself if you like what you are doing at hts just make sure you are reading your BIBLE a lot,you probably know how the BIBLE says desire brings birth to sin.well just makesure nobody influences your desires. i am just giving you an advise, whatever you do make sure you are not letting the whole fun/thrill thingy you get out of practicing hacking influence your desires. i have heard someone on this thread talk about the spirit of hacking and all that,do you really think that spirit is of GOD? just be careful the enemy knows you weak points,don't let him take you down as he has done with so many. see the thing is what the enemy does is try to make you give up,when he fails he keeps trying but he tries to make you compromise . just make sure you aren't compromising ,what the enemy does is he tries to justify stuff so that you can compromise. again i apologize for the whole long reply thing and i'd try to make my future replies short and on-topic(i hope everyone else does the same. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
