Skynesey learnt Java (stupud University)

So how should I go about learning C++? what should I be striving to accomplish to begin with?

'cout "hello worlds"'? Or something else?

Any good resources or books?

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Originally posted by skynes:
'cout "hello worlds"'? Or something else?

Any good resources or books?

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Well for one, your syntax is wrong .

cout >> "hello worlds";

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Well for one, your syntax is wrong

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cout << "Hello, worlds.";

I'd say, get a C++ textbook. As long as it's fairly recent and not a "C++ in 24 hours" or "idiot's guide" kind of book, it should be pretty good. Start by reading through the Wikipedia page on C++ which covers the history and the major language features so you know what you are getting into.

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Originally posted by steveth45:
So is yours.

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Oops.

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Skynes, don't be too hard on your education on Java. Learning any language is good and will be that much easier to learn a new one. A lot of syntax is similar across languages (for loops, if statements, etc.) and learning Java should mean you have an understanding of OO concepts. These factors alone should really help in learning C++.

One of your big issues will be learning about memory management. Where Java cleaned up all of your memory for you using garbage collection, C++ requires the developer to delete memory when it is no longer needed.

I'll look at those sites thanks.

As for books what of the C++ for Games ones?

Or is general C++ better to focus on?

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Originally posted by skynes:
As for books what of the C++ for Games ones?

Or is general C++ better to focus on?

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My experience with "general" game programming books is that they tend to focus on particular API's, instead of game programming in general. I'd stick with the straight C++ books. You can learn all you need to about particular API's from the 'net.

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Originally posted by steveth45:
My experience with "general" game programming books is that they tend to focus on particular API's, instead of game programming in general. I'd stick with the straight C++ books. You can learn all you need to about particular API's from the 'net.

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I would forget about game programming in C++ for now. Get the basics nailed first learn about functions, variable, data types, try looking into some statements like switch/case and then put together a little text based game to practice what you have learnt.

Then look into OOP programming, check out classes etc and re-write your text based game applying what you have learnt from that. Once you have completed that, look into Win32 programming, initialization, message handling etc. I would say after that you will be ready to start some graphical game programming with C++. Maybe start with a library like SDL or Allegro and then move onto DirectX.

During my Game Develoment Degree this is the route we have taken and it has worked really well.

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To begin with I really need the structure of the language. things should be much simpler after that.

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It's occured to me I haven't said I've done an awful lot of C#. Both during my degree and Dare to be Digital.

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A couple other good stuff:
http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial.html#c++tutorial Pretty good tut. I learned my first programs from this.

http://www.programmingtutorials.com/cplusplus.aspx From what it looks like this is pretty good, can't tell you much first hand though.

I've also been enjoying: Accelerated C++. by Andrew Koenig, and Barbara E. Moo. 12th printing October 2005.

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Originally posted by Calin:
Well if 'games industry' is what you're aiming at then you need to learn C++ . However if getting into games industry is not your #1 priority and you still want to make (/try to make) games then you can use C# for that.

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Some say C# is Microsoft's version of Java. You might be able to pick that up pretty quickly .

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C# I know pretty well.

So, if you already got the game algorithms under your belt, just get a c++ book, otherwise you might want to pick up a good game algorithms book.

Does anyone know of a book that details common game algorithms? One that could be helpful to anyone wanting to write games in any language?

God Bless!

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cout << is odd. I'll be ok with it, but it's different to what I'm used.

cin.ignore will be a new addition. I've never given thought before to enter being a character and having to manually ignore it.

If statements are the same as I know
Switch statements are the same as I know
Pointers I knew of in theory, nice to be able to use them.

Strings are weird. I'm so used to a variable string that having to revert to an array of characters is very strange and will take getting used to.

Struct and methods I'm mostly fine with. Except this declaring methods like you do variables. That's odd.

Thing is, as long as I know WHY I'm doing something, I'm ok with doing it. I didn't get what

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#include <iostream>

using namespace std;

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...was for. Research showed it to be including the standard library and the in out stream (the iostream I figured out on my own). So I'm content to include them

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#include <iostream>
using namespace std;

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Think of these both as a single "import" statement in java. Java knows where to get the file to import based upon a standardized directory structure. C++ doesn't, so the #include statement includes a file (most of the time a header file) to be compiled with the current file.

The "using" statement imports a namespace into the local context of the current file, kind of like "import" in java. Your program can function without it but you would have to type std::cout instead of just cout. (:: is the namespace resolver in c++)

God Bless!

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#include<iostream> int main() { int number; std::cin >> number; std::cout << "Hello, this is the number you said: "; std::cout << number; std::cout << "." << endl; // I know it can be done only on one line, I'm just emphasizing a point };

With using:

#include<iostream> using namespace std; int main() { int number; cin >> number; cout << "Hello, this is the number you said: " << number << "." << endl; };

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You just have to get used to graphics librarys and stuff.
(can anyone say "not fun!"?)

there, I done.
others have probably already said that, but if not, then I hope that at least encouraged you a little bit.
There are also some great sites around with C++ on 'em
That one supercoder put up is a good one (If its the site I'm thinking off... lost trak of it long time ago)

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seems like a good site. But a few have said, he wants you to use the specific libraries and program he uses... >.< and for the life of me I can't figure out how on earth to get them to work.

http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/

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I program all day in C++, and I rarely touch the standard library, it's really mostly useful as a tool for learning C++, and writing simple, console applications. The std::cout << "Hello World." example actually encompasses a number of difficult or obscure aspects of C++, as it relies on namespaces (the std namespace and :: symbol), static instances (cout), operator overloading (the << operator, which actually is a standard C++ operator for bit-shifting, re-purposed by the arcane standard library for streaming operations), and string literals (anything in quotes). Namespaces work like they do in Java, but use the double colon instead of the period. Operator overloading in C++ allows you to reuse common operators (+, =, ==, <<, >>, etc) as though they were calling methods (functions) of the associated objects. The flexibility of C++ allows for such alien looking constructions, but the standard library could have just as easily made it a normal function call, (std::cout.print("Hello, World.")) C++ was made to be powerful, not easy.

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