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spade89

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From: houston,tx
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ok i probably have until tomorrow to decide but if anyone has a previous experience please please tell me?

ok i was thinking of getting an aas degree in c# specialization,and i want to do it using distance education,is there any problem with that? i want to take the courses at the local community college and i am sure it's really cetified and all that ,i read at monster.com that distance education degrees are just as good as regular ones and when you get the degree it doesn't say online degree and it's just like a normal degree.

would there be any problems in finding jobs if you took distance ed to get your degree?

please any answers are welcome.

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SSquared

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I think distance edu is a cool idea. I took a C# on-line class from a local community college and learned quite a lot. It really helped lay a good foundation. The concept is good for those who already work full-time and are unable to make the normal morning/mid-day classes. I've thought of taking other classes on-line as well.

One bummer is you are missing out on the camaraderie, social, and team experiences. During an interview if you have no team experience, that may present a problem. Working together, discussing issues with the teacher, learning good coding practices, those all come through in-person experiences.

Will you also be required to take General Education (English, Biology, Chemistry, Math, Physics, Art/Music, etc.) classes as well?

Although a particular degree may give a resume that extra oomph, separating it from others, an interview is also used to find out someone's 'soft skills'. These are things like social skills, how well they work with others, do they enjoy working with computers, do they keep to themselves, can they help others, are they team-oriented, self-driven, and more. Different companies will weigh these completely differently, so I'm not necessarily saying certain ones are good and certain ones are bad. Only the hiring company can decide what exactly they look for in a developer.

Personally, when I look at a resume, I really don't care what school they went to, or even if they went school. I am interested in knowing their skillset and how long they have been working. Honestly, the ONLY reason I like to know what school they went to is to know if they went to my alma mater or perhaps if they were near where I grew up.

spade89

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Will you also be required to take General Education (English, Biology, Chemistry, Math, Physics, Art/Music, etc.) classes as well?

that's the man reason i wanted to take online education i really don't like taking classes i really don't like like composition,accounting,college algebrea,etc...but i if i have to take them i'd rather do it online,i don't have much problem taking the actual programming courses on campus.

and really the reason i asked you guys(hired full time coders) is that i never been in an actual coding enviroment with other programmers and working on a team and all that and i don't know how often the whole team thing is required but i do like the idea of working on a team .

other than talking about coding and Christanity i really aint that social
that's probably why i did bad in most of my highscool classes(hope that don't get in the way of getting a job).

other than that whether i take the course on campus or online i do have to take a co-ed thing(i think it's like internship or something).

i see that you mentioned that you hire people or something would a coding experience of doing something for www.planetsourcecode.com or on sourceforge or being involved in any opensource/linux coding be seen as a valuable experience?because other than doing that and the co-ed i don't see where i could get any experience.

thanks for the reply though.

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SSquared

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I took plenty of classes I hated, but there are often times I need to use what I learned in those classes. I often use math, for example, in coding. I also use my English composition quite a lot.

I think having stuff on a coding site is a definite plus. It's something I keep meaning to do myself. Although you need to be really sure it's something good. Not that the project itself is some stunning piece of work, but for the content and coding to be clean, well coded, and well documented. Being involved in an open source project is an excellent decision. It is definitely something you can put on the resume as it will spur on discussions. "What was your role?" "How did you interact with others?" "Was it difficult with everyone working in different locations?" and so on.

Depending on where you go, the team thing can be quite important. For me, it is an extremely important quality I look for in a potential candidate. But other companies may be happy with the lone wolf. My current employer has several lone programmers. Pretty much everyone works on completely different things, although that is now changing. Yeah!

jestermax

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actually i wasn't forced to take any "english", "biology" or "class that sucks" the first time i went to school (college for computer science), and i grew up fine after that . Again, the drawback is that you don't have any major team building/leadership experience from working with other people so that's one less thing to talk about at a job interview. Oh yeah, and employers generally like to "google" you or do research on your background if they're about to give you money to do stuff, so they'll probably know that you have an online degree, etc. so be aware of that.

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spade89

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i think i'll talk to a counsellor at the college or something and maybe if i can take hybrid classes.

i am going to houston community college so i don't think an online degree from a community college is the same as an online degree from other colleges like phoenix uni,itt tech or so... but i am not sure about the whole thing.

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spade89

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ok i have a question would getting an aas degree lessen the chance of getting a job?

is there a big difference b/n someone who has 4 year degree and a two year?
as long as they can code?

i mean i want to get a 4 year degree but i want to pursue a 2 year degree get a job and maybe someday move up to a 4 year degree, is that so bad?

if you were to hire someone would aas or 4-year degree make a big differnce ?

i hope i didn't ask too many of this questions i should be asking a counselor but i just thought experienced coders would know better

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SSquared

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I think it's good to ask questions to people who are actually in the field in addition to discussing things with a counselor. So I have no problem with all the questions.

What I've noticed between 2-year and 4-year really depends on the company.

Larger companies will tend to run all resumes through the Human Resources (HR) department first. This means, they will look over all resumes before submitting them to the hiring manager. They do a quick scan to look for keywords and education. The tendency is to look for a 4-year degree before sending the resume to the manager.

Smaller companies are willing to consider anyone as long they have the necessary background and skills to do the job. In smaller companies, the resumes go directly to the hiring manager, so it will still depend on the manager's view on 2-year vs. 4-year.

I think the one consistency between 2-year and 4-year is a pay difference. 4-year will provide better leverage when deciding on salary. Likewise, 2-year will pay better than having just high school. This discrepancy will last for a few years.

spade89

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well i have another question i hear lots of stuff about being in the pc field
like programmers not being paid as much as they use to and outsourcing getting people laid off a lot and that it's a lot harder to find a job

what are your comments on that? lot's of people wanted me to become something else like a doctor or something but i just chose this

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ArchAngel

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meh. Programmers still make a ton of money and there are still plenty of jobs. 9 coders for every engineer, they say. or I say.

But then, you're talking to a guy who lives in the Silicon Valley, tech capital of the world(yes, I said it), and who plans to jump ship to the business side when things look lucrative.


For finding jobs, I'd suggest keeping yourself open and diverse. the people who can't get new jobs are those who center their expertise around one type of technology that nobody no longer needs.

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SSquared

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I don't really know what to think about the future in the software industry. Seems like lately I am hearing "we need more software students in the colleges." So, perhaps the perception of being a software developer has been weakening over the years.

I've never really liked outsourcing and lately, the outsourcing locations may not be liking it either. The dollar has fallen so much that it is becoming less attractive to do business with the US.

The software industry goes in waves. Sometimes there are plenty of jobs and sometimes there are few jobs. As for the difficulty in finding a job, location really does play a big part in it. Like Arch said, the Silicon Valley has plenty of jobs. I currently live in a smaller city and computer jobs are extremely scarce. Although web development positions seem to pop up quite often.

One of the most important factors when choosing any profession is whether or not you enjoy doing the work. Or if you even consider it work.

In regards to outsourcing, I don't know if you know, but amazingly, medical work is now beginning to get outsourced. People can get medical work done less expensively overseas. I talked with a co-worker who was looking into it for his own family.

Not sure if I reall helped any.

spade89

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well that kind of helped what both of you guys said. but i don't think i'd bee too picky about my first couple of jobs i hope i get a good internship.
other than that first year of college doesn't have too many exciting classes the closest to coding is introduction to programming .

but the nice thing about going to hcc(the local community college) is that you can choose to take one class on campus and the other distance ed. i'm thinking of taking the actual coding classes on campus and the others off-campus.

this thread and another thread i checked out started by someone else has been really informational and interesting.

and thanks for all of you guys for taking your time for helping out

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