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Angel

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I'm back again, and this time with a qustion. Right now I'm in a big delema and getting pretty pissed off, so I fugred you guys could help. My wife and I have been playing RO, but we're bored of it now. Then within that time our girl's (ages 3 and 4) now want to play games also. The problem is what rout to take.

PC:
-I'll have to buy four of them, then buy the title we want to play four times.
+Can get any form of game we want period.

PS3:
-Cost a fortune, can't find any games that our girls can really play.
+Free online gaming (don't know if that's fully true or not, do the game makers charge you to use their servers in connection with PS servers), and I already have a few games we can play from PS2 and PS1.

Wii:
-After buying all the controlers I need for my family to all play I'll be paying more than I would for a PS3, and after that I would have to buy more games.
+Lot's of party games.

XBox:
-Charges for online play, and only seems to have good FPS games and my wife dosn't give a flying rats bleep about that.
+... I'll be promoting Mr. Gates to take more trips to outerspace?

Could you guys give you're thoughts in + and - for the different ways I could go, and perhaps give suggestions for games worth playing? Just so you know my family's full game aray includes, FPS, RPG, Co-Op, Fighters, Racers... no sports ever. We don't want to see fake wrestling games about fake wrestlers. We don't want to play football with complex controlings. My girls like Monky Ball, but you can get that on any platform but the PC. I'm going for whatever would be cheepist, gives my family the most game time together, and will keep us engaged for the next four to five years.

As you can see I have a lot on my mind along what to do about gaming entertantment around here, and good reasion to be hacked off. I don't want to pay XBox out the butt for online play and updates that crash their own products. I also don't want to pay to download content for games that are sold with only half the content they should have (PS3 games come to mind I think).

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Lava
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I'd say go with the Wii or PC. Not to be cliched, but I think you'll probably find more games for Wii that are kid-friendly. The PC would be good because they all kinds of games, and you won't have to upgrade alot for your computer, because alot of newer kids games use simpler graphics (i.e. I doubt you'll need bloom-capable techology to play the next Mickey Mouse game), also some PC games have split screens so you might not have to buy more than 1 computer, just extra controllers or keyboards. And you already have a computer (you're posting here), so you might just have to buy the games and extra controls. This is all in theory.

I say Wii or PC.

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Angel

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Your PC view is imposible for my family. We play games like Heros of Might and Magic, or Quake, or some RPG. We need something that has games for both adults to be entertained at times as well as working with childrens needs. Not to mention, I'll never buy another game from Disny again, they never test their games and every one I've played is a game that a Teen would have to play to beet, and a four year old couldn't get past the first level.

So that's one vote Wii.

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ArchAngel

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Wii is more of a family console. more family friendly games. Strays for the hardcore gamer stereotype. it has a wide range of appeal.

You like Heroes of Might and Magic? nice. those games are a blast (I got hooked on Disciples 2, kinda a rip off of it.)
you can always play hotseat on it ( I'm pretty sure disciples has a hotseat)
that way, you have the entire family around 1 pc and 1 copy.
get your girls into Civilization and other 4X strategy games. lol.

4 pcs honestly is a hefty price. and 4 copies of a game is almost ridiculous. Have a PC or two for more of the mature games or the occasional hotseat game, and have the Wii for the family games.

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Angel

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Two votes Wii then. This is every interesting. I wonder what other people's votes will be.

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Ereon

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Family?
Console?
Wii, hands down.

Even if the controllers cost extra you'd have to buy extra controllers for the other consoles as well if you purchased them instead. PC would be good, but they'd mostly likely quickly become obsolete, whereas games are constantly being made for consoles and you'll always be able to play those games on that console regardless of new fangled technology that comes along later.

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Angel

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Three for the Wii. I would like to state though, to buy all the controlers we need for the Wii and the games we want, it will cost $300 not including the Wii itself.

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Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by Angel:
Three for the Wii. I would like to state though, to buy all the controlers we need for the Wii and the games we want, it will cost $300 not including the Wii itself.


But considering:

PS3 - You have to buy just as many controllers (as Ereon mentioned), the console is more expensive and so are the games.

Xbox 360 - Same issue with controllers and there aren't any games you want on it.

PC - You have to buy mulitple computers (cheapest new computer can be around $300, so 300 x 3 or 4? so $1200).

The Wii I think is still cheaper and has more of what you want out of it.

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InsanePoet

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*puts in a vote for SNES*

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graceworks
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The way I understand pc software/games licensing, you can have it installed on multiple PCs. The only issue is if you run it on more PCs at the same time than you have copies. Sure, go ahead and read the fine print if you need a sleeping pill - but I think that is true in general - for sure, it is true for Christian Games and I'm sure I can get developers to give you the okay to do that if you are worried.

My stance on the consoles - you will find some genres of games that work well on them but others than won't. I like FPS and that means PC. We have a PS2 but multiplayer games for the kids usually mean racers or shooters (or sports titles). Only good multiplayer is The Bible Game.

I got a PSP for Christmas - FPS on it stinks.

PC - let me remove your other reservation ... share! Don't buy 4 PCs, just one or two decent ones and share.

Now, for games for your girls - definitely on the younger side:
Charlie Church Mouse - Preschool
Hermie and Friends - 3 to choose from
Gil's Bible Jumble - maybe

Games for all of you to play together
Heaven Quest - 4 players and you can adjust the difficulty
Dance Praise - 2 pads or one on keyboard for 2 players
MULE - via a PC emulator (up to 4 players)

Plus you can do other things with the PC! And you can get decent one cheaper than a PS3! Before buying one, Email me and let me see what deals I can get you.

God bless,
Tim

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Faith_Warrior

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Games are great but there are sometimes more interesting things to do than game all the time. With a PC there are not only many game titles for young kids, but graphic editing programs, interactive DVDís, programs that will help them with their school work or even to create music. I donít think they are really going to need a system to run Quake or Elder ScrollsÖ 4 year olds?? There are many new PCís that are in the $300 range, many free games to save on compared to buying all those expensive console titles. There are even refurbished computers that will satisfy a 4yo with no worries. They donít all need to be low budget computers, the ones you use you can get a better one for the more complex things you tend to do with a computer. Itís always about meeting the need of the user. Running x4 600 watt computers must be a joy, the cheaper ones use less electricity. Personally, Iíd probably get them fanless computers (no noise) if they are going to be in the rooms, but those range $350-$500 each if they include a hard drive. I have even seen 500Mhz referbished Macs going for $100. Lots of options really.
Mene-Mene

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I'm not sure its entirely necessary to but 4 PCs, like the others were saying, buy one or 2 pcs, and share. Of course besides your choices I'd also vouch for the N64 I love some of those games. I'd also vouch for either PC, there is no specific genre ALMOST everything and anything goes on there.

I'd also vouch for the wii. Never done it but from what I've heard and the concept, its amazing.

As for games:
It really depends upon their maturity. Most RPGs are fantasy, and that usually has skeletons, and skeletons aren't really little kid friendly. If they can watch LotR and not get nightmares, then you could probably do games like minions of mirth, ext. If they're the comic kid, "Daddy why are they attacking us? Daddy must we attack them? Daddy can we feed them? Daddy can they stay as our pets? Daddy why can't we have more than X Item?" then it'd probably be safer to go with something a bit less violent.

A really good one for all ages and is on both the PC and the Console. Just turn of the horrid music. Is Madden. Kinda expensive if you're going for the latest and greatest version, but you can buy a earlier madden and get still incredible quality. Madden 06 vs. 07 in quality isn't much different, just a few changes like the entrance of the players, perhaps some modes, some smoke additions, edited modes, little bit of better textures and models, just a little bit here and there. They both have very similar features, but from what I know, 06 is a whole lot cheaper. And if you can find it, 03/04 aren't that much apart 04s a good bit better, but if you really can't afford it, get either of those. This is from personal experience I own all 3 versions, and played 07.

Wii Sports is also from what I've heard excellent.

If you can't stand sports:
PC has a huge library of stuff online too. Online games ext. But the disadvantage is having your naive (no offense) 3 yr old wander on and log onto the internet, and pick up a virus and look at stuff he shouldn't be looking at. IE has a parental lock, but that's kinda futile, as Firefox doesn't, and its easy to get yourself out of that one.

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Angel

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Share PC? Are you guys crazy? The idea is to do something together, a person watching a game is not part of the game. Four PCs is the only way to go, I used to have four and belive me it was a blast with my dad, brother, and one friend all playing at the same time. Two PCs... sheesh, dullsville.

I guess this is going to boil down to taist.

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zookey

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One thing to consider: The PS3 is still new and getting more games---and Sony has traditionally been the 'all arounder'---you can find kiddie and adult games whereas nintendo focuses on kids and M$ focuses on adults--I have a PS3 and am EXTREMELY impressed with it---I also owned a 360 and a Wii---the 360 was very underwhelming to me (my bro and I each had one, we traded one in when it started acting up with the 'red ring of death' and the other also got traded in when not enough games we like were coming out over a year after launch) and I gave my bro the Wii after the Wii-Sports thing wore off (which happens around the month mark, then you realize there aren't any games for it). With the PS3--I can name at least 10 games coming out in the next year I severely want, you can install Linux on it (Sony approved even) and the online is free (and playing is free too--there currently isn't a game that charges although one or two may pop up in the future, but most keep it free especially due to Sony's servers are free)----plus man look up two major things:

HOME: A free service launching later this year for PS3 owners---basically like Second Life, you create a 3D model of yourself and you can meet and hang with your friends in an online 3D city and go virtual bowling, shoot pool, play games and hang at your invitation-only apartment, which also happens to feature 3D trophies of your accomplishments within games (PS3's answer to 360's achievements). The apartment and stuff is free but you can use a credit card to buy upgraded items (such as designer clothing and furniture as well as tickets to go with your firends to a movie at a virtual movie theater online)-----also, you can meet up with people and arrange to meet them online in any online-capable PS3 game---eventually they will hammer it out that you can launch right into a multiplayer game straight from HOME and be with your friends you were hanging with within HOME.

LittleBigPlanet: This game will launch either later this year or early next and is perfect for your family: it appeals to all ages. It is a 3D modeled platformer that plays mostly like a 2D mario-style one---but the catch is everything in the level (I mean EVERYTHING) was created by the player. You start with this little doll thing and you hit a button--a thought bubble appears over its' head and you use its' 'imagination' to add all the things that are within the level. This is with what Sony is pushing now called 'Emergent Gameplay' which is games that engage gamers' creativity and pushes them to mold their own experience while learning more about the industry----I am actually really excited about this game because it has the power to increase your everyday persons' understanding of Games as Art while, at the same time, not overwhelming them and enabling them to have a blast---you can also customize your doll character, share levels online, import your own pictures/textures (called Stickers in the game) and make levels that either encourage up to 4 players to work together or against each other or a combo (at different parts of the level they either have to work together or not)---so I think it will be massive

Hehe---post went on WAY too long---but yeah man if you need more reasons why the PS3 rocks just let me know, I love mine (his name is Steve--a joke from Over the Hedge) and with the Blu-Ray drive, motion sensing controller, hard drive and media features (yes, you can surf the net) and awesome games I think it is the digital equivalent of a Swiss Army Knife

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graceworks
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quote:
Originally posted by Angel:
Share PC? Are you guys crazy? The idea is to do something together, a person watching a game is not part of the game. Four PCs is the only way to go, I used to have four and belive me it was a blast with my dad, brother, and one friend all playing at the same time. Two PCs... sheesh, dullsville.

MULE allows four players on the same PC to compete for Colony Leader! Trust me, you will have a blast with this 8-bit wonder (the only objectionable item is they had a "pub" where you could "gamble" if you had any time in your turn left).

Heaven Quest - four players, one computer. What a novel concept! True, it is like a board game and you each take a turn, but you don't have to go buy so much hardware.

The only multiplayer PC games from our community are (that I know of):
Eternal War - Shadows of Light
Left Behind - Eternal Forces

Note to you developers out there - multiplayer! Don't forget "hotseat" (same computer).

-Tim

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If the choice is between Wii and PC. Just remember with a Wii you don't have to reinstall windows a thousand times and fight viruses and spyware when your girls download CometCursor or a "Free" screensaver.

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jestermax

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(haven't read the other posts but thought i'd jump into the fray)
I'd say go for the last gen consoles. they're cheaper now and already have the maximum amount of games. I have a gamecube and ps2 and i'm more than happy with those. the cube has 4 players natively supported and a lot of family friendly games while the ps2 can support 4 players via multitap but in my opinion has a wider selection of games that are easier/cheaper to find then gamecube. i have about 120 games for it so i can speak first-hand with that . however thats just my opinion

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Lava
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Oh yeah, kinda what Insane and Jester said reminded me. For the Wii, you can buy older games in their virtual console online service. They host Sega, Turbo-Grafix, and alot of the older Nintendo games (including the N64) to download. It is also backwards compatible with GameCube, so the Wii is not restricted to just Gamecube games.

Also I heard the PS3 could be compatible with PS2 or PSX. But if someone with more knowledge verified this either way, that would be appreciated, haha

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Faith_Warrior

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Gee, if they averages about $20 each (newer titles were more) that is over $2k for that many games. I could buy four computers with that and get a hand full of good games. I noticed that, when I had the Atari 2600, Invision system, NES and Sega then the PS1 I spent a ton of money on games compared to what I spent on computers including my first one, the C64 when it was released. But yes, buying an older system you can save a ton of money on titles, though she said she wanted the latest generation games.

Strangly enough, I had a dream about the Wii last night, thatís weird. But if I were to buy a console or two for some reason (donít see a reason to buy forur for a family) Iíd get the Wii. I think the controller is pretty cool, I donít like game pads all that much though some of the ones made for computers are ok. I prefer a good trackball for games, myself. I think the kids would break the Wii pretty quickm though.

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zookey

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quote:
Originally posted by LAVA:
Oh yeah, kinda what Insane and Jester said reminded me. For the Wii, you can buy older games in their virtual console online service. They host Sega, Turbo-Grafix, and alot of the older Nintendo games (including the N64) to download. It is also backwards compatible with GameCube, so the Wii is not restricted to just Gamecube games.

Also I heard the PS3 could be compatible with PS2 or PSX. But if someone with more knowledge verified this either way, that would be appreciated, haha

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Yep I play PS1 and 2 games on my PS3---plus you can download old PS1 games through the online Playstation Store to play them on your PSP and, by the end of next month, you will be able to play those downloaded games on the PS3. Sad part about Jestermax's quote about PS2 games being easy to find--the two I want right now, Silent Hills 3 and 4, are incredibly tough to find in local stores hehe---crappy luck huh? Jestermax--you own 120 game dude? I can't even name 120 games between the PS2 and GC that I played and I called myself a hardcore console gamer---you are definately far more hardcore than I!

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I have around 200 games for the Atari 2600 lol, but my parents bought most of them, geez and like $30+ each! Wish I still had my C64/s though, that thing was the best! I learned my first programming language with it. I made table top RPG maps with it and printed them, I still play the old Zork (emuĎs) games on my current PC. Still have all my software and books, like 30 programming books and a few hundred games and apps including some I programmed.
zookey

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dang dude---I never have even seen one of those old school consoles in real life---I have an Atari paddle controller keychain that actually hooks up to the TV so you can play 3 games including Pong tho--still haven't taken it out of the wrapping don't know if I should or not hehe

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Faith_Warrior

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Old school? Hah I guess, but it is newer than my Sears Pong system.
Lava
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To my knowledge, old school console years are < 32 Bit Era.
ArchAngel

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psh. old skool consoles are pre-NES.

stuff like Intellivision.

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Faith_Warrior

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Oh yeah, thatís what I meant, not Invision but Intellivision. I only had like 7 games for it, it wasnít all that great though it had a few good games at the time. I wound up stripping parts from it to fix other systems later on.
ArchAngel

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that's pretty cool that you had an Intellivision. not many people know about it. kinda faded out.
The only reason I know of it is because an uncle gave me a CD with a ton of the games on it. probably should bust it out someday.

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zookey

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That Sears Pong thing would be cool to see hehe

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Faith_Warrior

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
that's pretty cool that you had an Intellivision. not many people know about it. kinda faded out.
The only reason I know of it is because an uncle gave me a CD with a ton of the games on it. probably should bust it out someday.


Oh yeah heh I mainly got it for auto racing and advanced dungeons & dragons. I got the Commodore like a year or two later so I didnít get too many games for the intellivision, not when I had games like the Zork series, Impossible Mission, Toy Bazaar and Castle Wolfenstein for the c64 and a printer, keyboard and tones of creative software.
http://www.videogamecritic.net/intelae.htm

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Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:
psh. old skool consoles are pre-NES.

stuff like Intellivision.


[petty noob comment]Wikpedia classifies Old school gaming as before 3D graphics [/ petty noob comment ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_school

P.S. NOT that Wiki is 100% correct

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Cohort X

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NEVER QUESTION WIKIPEDIA!

you'll end up listed as a urinophile.

buddboy

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wii. 300 dollars for controllers? how many do you need? I'm only counting four and they cost 20 bucks each (plus 20 for the nunchuk) so that's only 4 controllers and nunchuks for 40 bucks each, plus the Wii comes with one, so that's only 120 bucks. ok that is a lot, but you still spend less than PS3 and Xbox 360 (I'm only somewhat sure about that second one, but with games and controllers I think I'm right about it).

plus wii has a lot of family-type games. and it comes with the sports package. which I've heard is fun.
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Lava
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Times have changed on controller prices.

Wiimote = $40 (usually)
Nunchunk = $30 (usually)

So $70 for a complete Wii controller.

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All I have to say for the Wii is three words:

Super Paper Mario
(maybe it isn't multiplayer, but it is Super Paper Mario)

One other thing not mentioned yet, but worth considering in spite of its downsides, is the handheld world. Namely, the DS. I think they're still around $130, but that's still half the price of a Wii (and the fact that no money needs to go into controllers). Some games out there, for multiplayer abilities, need the game cards; many, though, can download the game from one card into several DS's. Maybe I'm alone in not minding the tiny screen, and I do have a certain proclivity for the bright colors of games like New Super Mario Bros. (and finding things like Spectrobes and Pokemon tough to resist for that reason); it's worth thinking of for a slightly lower-budget family entertainment investment (works for long trips and graduation ceremonies, too!).

RA Games

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quote:
then buy the title we want to play four times.


Not all PC game titles are like this though.

"Heroes" was not like this. The old "Command and Conquer" and "Starcraft" was not like this. You just make a copy and put it on the other PC's and the multiplay was on!

The new game we are developing will also be like this. One CD will work on any PC for up to 4 on a LAN.

Tim is right though. If "Christian" titles are what a person wants, then the PC is the best at this.

That is simply because BIG console publishers are prejudiced against "religious" themed titles. I know, from a recent game exhibit in europe. They loved my game, but hated the theme. HAHA! lol Crazy world man.

The game publishers there were laughing at my game, but hated its theme.

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zookey

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The PSP just had a price drop too--it has some killer games and some huge ones coming (Silent Hill Origins in August baby!)----but yeah the Wii Sports thing wears off in a month then you realize that (other than Paper Mario) there isn't any stellar games and very few, if any, coming---Nintendo doesn't even mention Smash Brothers anymore---which totally disappoints me--we were promised it would be an online-capable launch title way back in 2005 and now it is becoming vaporware---and that game is the reason I bought a Wii!

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