evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
I was wondering how C++ compares to Python. I like Python, C++ seems to be used more. I'm thinking about switching to C++ but I'd like to know a few things first: does C++ have tuples, lists, dictionaires, and are there good 3D/2D modules for it?
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
1: Not really. It has arrays. There are probably libraries that can add that functiona 2: Yes... |
jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
the standard template library gives C++ lists, queues, stacks, and a TON of other functions, algorithms and data structures you've never heard of  Edit: as for tuples, we have what's called a structure that handles stuff like that. EdiT: come to think of it, i'm fairly sure that python is written in c... or at least popular implementations of it would be. in that case c++ should have everything python offers and more... [This message has been edited by jestermax (edited April 09, 2007).] |
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Good luck wrestling with the STL.  |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
STL owns your computer  ------------------ |
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Not mine. evdude, C++ has better libraries and runs faster, but you can usually program faster(and with less bugs) in Python. It depends on what you want to make... |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
That's probably true from a RAD standpoint. if you're switching to C++ then prepare for hard work, but don't worry about the capabilities of C++ ------------------ |
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Matt Langley Member Posts: 247 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-31-2006 |
I think the key statement here is:
quote: Certain things will be 'done' faster in different languages. Also consider that getting something done is not the same thing as getting something functional... actually finishing something takes a good amount of work no matter what the language ------------------ |
CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: They both have their purposes. C++ is commonly used in Python modules (such as game engines) because interpreted languages are a bit slower than compile-able languages. It also depends on what you're going to want to do. Every programming language has it's uses. Consider what you want to do with it and then decide. Going with a language because it seems to be popular or "better" isn't always the best idea. ------------------ "Oh, bother," said the Borg. "We've assimilated Pooh." "Socialism works great... if there are no people involved." -- Pastor David Ginter, Union Church of Guatemala. |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
well, I'm willing to work harder for better stuff. How much does C++ cost? were would I dowload/buy it? What are the 3D/2D modules called? ------------------ [This message has been edited by evdude (edited April 09, 2007).] |
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
You can get C++ compilers for free. Just takes some looking around. There are alot of 3D/2D libraries also - just look around for them. (Google helps...) |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
You'll want an IDE: -Visual Studio 2005 is a good C++ IDE which you can get for free as the "Express" version. -Dev-C++ is another decent compiler. I prefer this one for smaller projects and i started out coding in this. It takes away a lot of the complexity of visual studio i find (especially the linker stuff), but it has no debugging. both are free btw. ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
*gasp!* cool! I was hoping I could get one for free! ummmm...(searches google, doesnt find anything) were could I find one? ------------------ |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
VS 2005: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/downloads/ Dev-C++ ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
Great! thanks! (downloading) ------------------ [This message has been edited by evdude (edited April 09, 2007).] |
dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
How much does C++ cost?? First... LOL! C++ is a computer language, it's like saying "how much does English cost?" I actually heard a story from a mate at work who's girlfriend worked at a help desk and received a call from one gentlemen saying "I'd like to purchase C++", she even tried to explain to the guy he could just download a free IDE + Compiler from Microsoft, he wasn't interested... :| Anywho, heres some links to some tutorials for you: You should also buy a decent C++ book... ------------------ |
Cohort X Member Posts: 126 From: The Great Pacific Northwest Registered: 09-16-2006 |
quote: There you go with the add ons and hidden fees. |
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
I bought a BlitzBasic once. Are C++s more expensive? |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
Come on guys, be nice. If evdude knew all about this stuff he wouldn't be asking for our help. ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
yeah! what he said! ------------------ |
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dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
I'm glad to see another keen volunteer for C++ we need more... hence why I provided him with the links to learning material and the advice... it is though rather amusing the whole 'how much does C++ cost'... cause for me it would have cost at least $10,000 over the years (1 $4,500 laptop, 1 $2,500 desktop, $1,000 in books, $500 in mags, and about $1,500 in hardware and software, let alone everything else I have forgotten) and about 5 years of my life (so far :P). It's an expensive hobby, and now my career ------------------ |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
i think i got a better deal on my computing career 1 $1,800 for laptop, 2 Free Desktops, Bunch of money: books All in Canadian dollars although i AM about to blow a bunch of money on a new computer...but it won't cost me as much as your laptop did ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
I downloaded dev-C++, and its working great! by the way, I got my laptop for free
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
that's great. i personally suggest that you start off with dev-c++ to learn c++. it's easy to use and doesn't attack you with features. once you get crazy-good at it, you might consider checking out VS2005 though, but i suggest it only after you learn more about both the syntax and the C++ compiler (as in what a linker is) ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
yeah, I like it to. Umm, is there a 2D game engine like pygame that I could download? and thanks for the tutorials dartsman!
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
well, for c++, there is (but not limited to): SDL- not a game engine, but a media layer. which means it'll draw your objects, etc but you have to make it into a game Allegro- never touched it but heard a few nice things HAAF- a new game engine featuring hardware accelerated 2d graphics [This message has been edited by jestermax (edited April 10, 2007).] |
spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
hey c++ is the industry standard language and it's fun it's my favorite language(although i been using java lately). i second the cprogramming.com tutorials and if you are interested you should check out java too. but you should stick with c++ for the moment. google for "turbo c++ explorer" that's a neat ide and it's free but 390mb's and the code blocks ide is really nice here is the link for that: http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum6&topic=000254 ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
yes well, I wasn't really 'blowing' $4,500 (AU not USD)... but rather buying a top of the line Laptop for University, and it got me well through Uni. Mind you, it's now almost out of date (about 2-3 years old), but would still cost me around $2,000... hehe I also have plenty of free PC's... my latest one was a Athlon 1.4Ghz, 256Mb DDR RAM, 64Mb Geforce2 ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
wow! an out-of-date computer for the price of an cheap car! were are you getting the free desktops? ------------------ |
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dartsman Member Posts: 484 From: Queensland, Australia Registered: 03-16-2006 |
Work goes through a lot of hardware.. plus one guy a work had a whole tonne of old hardware he wanted to get rid of.. Wasn't out of date when I bought it ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
quote: Ooops! I downloaded it before I saw the EDIT! ------------------ [This message has been edited by evdude (edited May 12, 2007).] |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
whoops it's not that it's dangerous or anything, it's just got a ways to go before it's useful. it DOES look neat though; hardware accelerated graphics with a particle system.... ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
Ok, I'm doing SDL. I wanted to do it anyway becuase I like pygame, which uses SDL. ------------------ |
TwoBrothersSoftware Member Posts: 141 From: Janesville, Wi USA` Registered: 08-05-2006 |
quote: I'm using SDL and C++ did have to install a couple other libraries to get what pygame offers - but with gui-chan it looks like a pretty good package (IMHO) |
steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: Ditto. ------------------ |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
quote: what are those other libraries? BTW dartsman and steveth45: robotics is more expensive ------------------ [This message has been edited by evdude (edited April 20, 2007).] |
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TwoBrothersSoftware Member Posts: 141 From: Janesville, Wi USA` Registered: 08-05-2006 |
quote: sdl_Mixer SDl_ttf and I think rotozoom which I don't use |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
quote: yeah, I just downloaded those and with the tutorials at http://cone3d.gamedev.net/ ------------------ |
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TwoBrothersSoftware Member Posts: 141 From: Janesville, Wi USA` Registered: 08-05-2006 |
quote: It's not that hard - but it's not quite the ease of pygame. Here is another site that talks about several useful tutorials |
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evdude Member Posts: 135 From: Earth Orbit Registered: 03-14-2007 |
quote: Wow! that site looks better than cone3D! ------------------ [This message has been edited by evdude (edited May 12, 2007).] |
(and I wish I had money to blow)!