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neighborlee

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If you are serious about helping, and truly live by jesus teachings ( all the time not just sometimes) and have some background in game development, then please come look around:

http://www.heartseed.org

We are going to be using panda3d.org for our engine as in part its made/suupported by Disney, and feature wize it is a solid engine.

We are clearly in alpha stages and need the help of anyone with sincere desires.

If you are interested feel free to send email to forms@heartseed.org &/or come into: irc.freenode.net at: #heartseed or #neighbors or #religion .

thanks and god bless

neighborlee

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Lazarus

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> This Unity will be including wisdom from other cultures such as >Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Judaism and others, - because >throughout all of them can be found a common thread of enlightenment and >love to all things both animal and human - for which Jesus the Son Of God >ministered to in all his teachings, as did similarly the other great >teachers and prophets of Earths history.
*Taken from heartseed.com

Well, it sounds like an interesting project.
However all those different religions directly conflict with each other in their teachings and beliefs.
Ex: Taoism has a pantheism of many gods and magic and sorcery is incorporated, whereas the Bible states there is 1 god and sorcery is of the devil.

That may stop some people from helping(or playing). But anyway, the features look good! I'll definitely check this game out when it's done.

Lazarus

Jari

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neighborlee, all those other "enlighted" religions deny Jesus and thefore can only share certain similarities in their teachings but they are not way to God.

I do not wish anything bad for your project but I just want to make it clear to every one that it does not follow Jesus Christ the Son of God.

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CheeseStorm
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Sounds like you have some open-minded people at the helm! It's nice to see people acknowledging similarities between religions.

Buddhism and Taoism don't tell you to believe in gods or magic. They offer ways to find real happiness, but it is up to you to test them.

Lava
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Here is a link to a similar post.

http://www.christiancoders.com/cgi-bin/ubb-cgi/postdisplay.cgi?forum=Forum3&topic=000307

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Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by CheeseStorm:

Buddhism and Taoism don't tell you to believe in gods or magic. They offer ways to find real happiness, but it is up to you to test them.

Yeah test what god fits you the best, if buddhism is not your style try the colors of taoism. I wonder what God thinks about the idea of some one testing Him? I don't want to say anything else here than that no one tests God out, its God who chooses people and then you know.

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Tonnyx

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If anyone is interested in a book that examines the common threads that other religions have with Christianity, check this one out:
A Tapestry of Faiths.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830826920/sr=8-1/qid=1155733116/ref= sr_1_1/002-3680139-6649611?ie=UTF8

I'm excited about reading it; I got it in the mail right before I had to leave for Africa, so I'll read it more thoroughly when I get back. From what I've read so far, though, I'd highly recommend it.

Here's a quote from a customer review: "He is basically attempting to answer this question: if Christianity is accurate, how do we account for the world religions in a way that honors their integrity without sacrificing our own key beliefs."

Another one by the same author that I can recommend is Neighboring Faiths: A Christian Introduction to World Religions, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830815244/sr=8-1/qid=1155733683/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3680139-6649611?ie=UTF8

The author is pretty cool; he walks the fine line of defending Christianity as absolute truth, but at the same time studying and presenting other religions in an honest way without caricaturing or mocking them. I've grown a lot in my thinking, as well as my understanding of Christianity, as a result of his stuff.

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CheeseStorm
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quote:
Yeah test what god fits you the best, if buddhism is not your style try the colors of taoism.

Buddhism and Taoism aren't about gods. They were both started by ordinary people who found true happiness (enlightenment). Buddha told his followers not to just take his word for it, but to try it for themselves. This is what I meant by "testing" - not "tempting the Lord" or anything.
Ereon

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So what have you tested Cheese? And what have you found about what you've tried?

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crazyishone

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CheeseStorm, there is no use arguing with people who will put words in your mouth, change what you said around so that their arguments are valid, etc. Especially since you are vastly outnumbered by them.

Scenario: Two people of differing faiths are in a room. If one of them says "So what exactly do you believe, and why?", he is not genuinely interested. He is focused on changing the other person's mind. Everything person #2 says is only fuel for person #1. That is why debates of religion and lifestyle philosophy really suck.

It doesn't matter if #1 is trying to save #2 from eternal damnation or reincarnation as a "lower life form". The motives don't matter. The problem lies in the approach.

Rarely is a question in such a debate ever spawned from sincere curiosity. It is almost always the debater sizing up his opponent. (Whether he says it that way or even realizes it to begin with.)

Scenario, Part 2:
#1: "So ...I see you like the color purple.."
#2: "Actually, yes, I do."
#1: "Why?"
#2: "I think it looks good".
#1: "Do you realize that purple makes kittens explode?"

#1's first statement wasn't a real question. It was a conversational preemptive strike, so to speak.

</rant>

Seriously guys, this is neighborlee's thread requesting help on a project she feels is in accordance with Christian principles (regardless of her theories on how many religions are the same, with cosmetic differences.)

If she did not think a Christian would be interested, she would not have posted here. So unless a mod deletes her request based on theological issues, she is fine. It's a request for development assitance, not a call for opinions. Also, it doesn't reflect well on your intelligence when you talk about other walks of life, yet fail to be sure there aren't any blaring factual errors in your statement.

Nobody has discussed her project since the 2nd post.
Neighborlee, I don't think I can help you out, and frankly I havn't looked at your project yet. (I just know I lack almost any usefull skills). If this post only serves to draw more attention away from the original topic, then I appologize. I felt something needed to be said. Christians can fall into the "mob mentality" just as easily as anyone else, whether it be witch hunts or endless forum debates.

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jestermax

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quote:
Christians can fall into the "mob mentality" just as easily as anyone else, whether it be witch hunts or endless forum debates.

considering you're in a christian forum, i think all we have is a mob...we're a bunch of christians... are you saying that only 1 or 2 of us should post at a time about one subject?

man, you go on a few good witch hunts and noone will let you forget it... lol

CheeseStorm
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quote:
So what have you tested Cheese? And what have you found about what you've tried?

I spent nearly a year switching between meditation techniques, thinking that only one would fit me perfectly. After getting nowhere, I decided to just stick with a boring one that I used to hate (breathing meditation). It's like exercise. It doesn't really matter if you box or swim or chase bunnies. "Just do it."

The mind is tricky to execise. It's easy to focus on a video game or a good book, but you can't slap your thoughts down in front of you and make them do what you want. When I started breathing meditation, I'd find myself thinking about supper or school or whatever after only a few seconds.

When you dig into a bowl of Cinnamon Toast Crunch (the best cereal), you are amazed at how awesome the first mouthfuls are. As you eat, you start reading the newspaper, or watching TV, or checking your email, or just daydreaming in general. Then the bowl is empty. If you are walking somewhere, try being mindful of each step. If you are still aware of each new step when you reach your destination, nice job.

I don't meditate as much as I wish I did (too lazy to think? ), but I get hit with moments of awareness every now and again, as if my mind is focussing without my help (trying to meditate on its own?). If I meditate while I'm sleepy, I catch random glimpses of dreams (or sounds), as though the night-shift part of my brain is stepping in. I don't think you have to meditate to do that, but it's cool anyway.

Whoa, better wrap this up, I thought I was on paragraph #2 or something (not mindful of each key-press ). Buddhism and Taoism promote meditation and simplicity to improve your life. They aren't offering a way to heaven or a good luck charm to worship. I just find meditating very relaxing and it boosts your awareness/attention span quite a bit.

There is cooler stuff to share, but you asked specifically about what I've tried, and I'm still a noob at meditating.

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Lazarus

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The Player Customization feature sounds interesting. Not many other games(that I've played) let you do that very easily.

Hope the demo is finished soon.

Lazarus

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CheeseStorm, there is no use arguing with people who will put words in your mouth, change what you said around so that their arguments are valid, etc. Especially since you are vastly outnumbered by them.


Really? I never noticed that...
Btw, crazyishone, about that homeschooling thing. You were right, and I was wrong. Completely wrong. Totally wrong. Hugely wrong.
Ereon

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Cheesestorm-So you do it mainly for relaxation purposes?

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crazyishone

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Lazarus, is that sarcasm or what? :-p Sometimes I am just dumb.

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ArchAngel

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Neighborlee has posted a request like this before, as lava pointed out.

it was well recieved by most until they saw what it was about.
I don't get why it's posted again.

if my topic requesting judges for a steak cookout on a vegan forum goes south, I'm not going to post another one.

my honest opinion on this project?
it sounds boring.
I disagree with the principles.
the very links on the website turn me off.
you couldn't pay me to work on it.

gawd, I love being a jerk.

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CheeseStorm
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quote:
Cheesestorm-So you do it mainly for relaxation purposes?

And control over my thoughts. Enlightenment would be great as a long-term goal. Any amount of meditation is good, I guess. Just think of it as exercise for your brain.

gawd, I love hijacking threads.

steveth45

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quote:
Originally posted by ArchAngel:

if my topic requesting judges for a steak cookout on a vegan forum goes south, I'm not going to post another one.

Unless you mistakenly believe that steak is part of a healthy vegan diet.

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ArchAngel

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well, for the first time, it's excusable.

but after being vega-flamed, I don't have much of an excuse. other than being an idiot, a card I play often.

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Lazarus

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quote:
Originally posted by crazyishone:
Lazarus, is that sarcasm or what? :-p Sometimes I am just dumb.


While I can be very sarcastic at times(just ask my brother), this is not one of them.
You were right and I was wrong. Plus I was acting like an idiot at the time, making it even worse.

Lazarus

reddy

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Well, the Bible says that in the last days even some of the elect of God will be decieved and drawn away from his truth!!! We have to watch what we embrace!!!

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Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by reddy:
Well, the Bible says that in the last days even some of the elect of God will be decieved and drawn away from his truth!!! We have to watch what we embrace!!!


Actually it is not possible for any one to deceive the elect. Notice how Jesus says "if it were possible":

Mat 24:24 KJV For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

And like Christ says:

Joh 10:28 KJV And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

No man can do it.

But yeah, don't get in to that, Jesus is the only way to Father. And to take just one example from Islam, they don't even have a father not to mention the Son who they would deny anyway even they had a father.


In Christ,
Jari.

reddy

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I stand corrected Jari!! I guess that the point I was trying to make is that there will always be the teachings out there trying to draw people away from the truth of Gods word and to try to replace it with the "Wisdom" of man!!!

Thank you for the correction!! :-)

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Matty

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Hello:

It is great that a site such as this can also "debate" theology; open-mindedness is very important, and this forum proves "even us Christians" are capable of thinking outside-the-box. This is important for coders, designers, and humans in general. This aids in the development of society, intellectualism, and the sciences, BUT...

How can I stand by beautiful Christainity that fills my heart with joy and wonder and at the same time embrace Pluralistic, manufactured ideals that, honestly, stand only as over-simplified, Paganistic, and yes, Satanic ideals? It is important to be open-minded but not defenseless against God-less fads from our decadent society. Falsehoods. Creations of Man. I want God.

Just my opinion.

Matty

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fearless

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@crazyshore. Since this is a *Christian* coders forum I find it normal for someone to get corrected when he/she makes statements that obviously contradict the Scriptures.


@CheeseStorm. It's a good things to control your thoughts. However it's also important how you do it. The only true comforter is the HolySpirit.(John 14)

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CheeseStorm
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It's just exercise for the brain. Anyone can benefit from it.
manic_gamer

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I dont agree with your video game becouse I come from a christian point of view. Which im not sure you are which is fine. every one is entitled to there own oppinion and point of view

How ever I must say that the bible says, Which is gods word to man kind that
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. No one who comes to the father except through me. (Which "me" means jesus)

To learn more about jesus and the christian faith go here
http://www.ccci.org/wij/

And for christians, those who profess Jesus as lord and savior here is a good website to go to
http://www.lamblion.com/articles/prophecy/signs/Signs-06.php

Its about the end times where there is a one world religion formed. which is what we christians must be careful of. and perhaps this is a sign of the spirit already coming into the world.

Hope I wasnt offensive to anyone, Just giving MPOV

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Lazarus

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Well, now I'm wondering about this.

Christians frown on violent games, but what about games that simply have anti-certain-Christian-beliefs?

Is it wrong to play those? Do you think they can influence you toward those beliefs(and or religions) just like it's said violent video games make people act violently(this may be true, I don't know).

Now, playing Rogue Spear or Raven Shield doesn't make me want to go out and kill any middle-eastern men dressed in bow ties and caterer uniforms , and although I haven't played any magic-sorcery-witchcraft type games, I don't think that would make me believe in those types of things or get involved with them.

Lazarus

Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by Lazarus:

Christians frown on violent games, but what about games that simply have anti-certain-Christian-beliefs?

Is it wrong to play those? Do you think they can influence you toward those beliefs(and or religions) just like it's said violent video games make people act violently(this may be true, I don't know).


In my opinion the bad thing about violence and magic is that they give people ideas and are bad examples. Some people have gotten involved in magic by reading about it and some have shot other people after first doing it in game. So they can plaim games for their behaviour but I do not believe they "make" them do it but they did give the idea. Likewise Eve would have not eaten from the tree if the serpent wouldn't given her the idea.

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crazyishone

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Well that doesn't make much sense to me. Just because somebody knows about something doesn't even come close to meaning they could some day do it. There may be correlation, but not causation.

There is practically no way a person in the modern world can go through life without seeing or hearing about guns, weapons, murder, war, etc. Just being exposed to something is nowhere near enough to make you enact it or participate. (Whatever it may be.)

People shoot other people out of hate, greed, jealousy, and many other things. But because they've played a game where they fired a weapon, or read a book in which somebody was killed.... I don't think so.

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Lava
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quote:
Originally posted by Lazarus:
I haven't played any magic-sorcery-witchcraft type games, I don't think that would make me believe in those types of things or get involved with them.


One of the problems with witchcraft games and other entertainment mediums alike is how they sugar coat the dark arts, they make it look exciting, intriguing and mystical.

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bennythebear

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so many parents want to blame video games for violence, or blame their kids friends for leading them down the wrong path and all of that, when it's the parents fault. think about it. if a kids parents truely love them, and spend time with them, and chastize them when they are wrong as well(a lot of parents need to do this more!) would kids go as far with things as they do. but you have kids that don't respect authority because they're parents never taught them to, kids that don't respect anything at all because they're parents never taught them too. i know parents can't keep they're kids from making mistakes or doing bad things, but i'm just sick of seeing biological parents not mom's and dad's. this world's priorities and values suck, they suck really bad.

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ArchAngel

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I concur, good man.

Train a child in the right ways, and when he grows, he won't depart from them.

constantly sheltering your child from danger creates a weak child.
a good soldier isn't one who never sees battle, it's one who is trained well.

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Ereon

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*nod* I agree to some extent as well. Alot of people say that what you put into your mind and yourself will eventually come out, and experience will show that largely to be true, if you watch violent things, listen to violent things, or experience violent things then at some point in time, in some fashion, the fruit of that will come out in your life. However, I think some of this also has to do with the WAY in which these things are ingested. To completely cut oneself off from something is to make oneself even more vulnerable when that thing breaks through the artifcal barriers that we try to errect against it. However, to willing let that thing in repeatedly will only numb us to the affect and even cause us to participate willingly in it. The key, like in most things in life, seems to lie in balance, the way and amount you choose to ingest these things into your mind and being. Paul said that we should think on things that are lovely, virtuous, of good report, ect, but we are also told that there will be trials and temptations as well, and that we need to prepare for them, and the best way sometimes exposure to those things, though in certain wholesome and wise methods and doses. It strikes me as a precarious and difficult balance though :S .

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