Im wanting it to do presentations, lyrics displays, and maybe recording church sermons. Id use the churches laptop, but Id like to have Kubuntu on it. Also I kinda like the idea of it being MINE bought with MY money.... and not giving MY money to Bill Gates

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"One World. One Web. One Program." -Microsoft promotional advertisement
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!" -Adolf Hitler

I know a small computer chain where with alot of brands restrict them like this, one company will void the warranty entirely if the user or reseller tries to modify them.

Your best bet is to find a notebook with no O/S or a Linux bootup (yes, some do exist). If you do approach a retailer/reseller about a notebook first ask them if the OS is preinstalled in the factory or done in store. If they say in-store then you should be able to ask for a non-OS build, if factory done then in alot of cases they can't do anything about it.

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Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: What! You too? I thought I was the only one.
C. S. Lewis

Linux is a good OS, for several reasons.
It is much more customizable, in the areas of GUI, programs, internet, networks, etc.
It can be hard to use at first but once you get the hang of it, it's much easier to use than Microsoft's OS.
It is much much less susceptible to viruses, spyware, and cracking, than XP, 2000, 98, 95, without any expensive tools and virusscanners and firewalls and port blockers.
Most of what you do need comes with it or is freely downloadable.
It comes with so many programming tools
It is free!
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It is not owned by a corporation that spends billions promoting abortion, gun control, sodomy, feminazism, etc. Big reason there.
The only reason many people use MS's OSes is to play games.
Plus, MS is constantly working to get laws passed that allow them to steal your personal information right off your computer and send it back to them.
Plus, the Registry, the most convoluted, messed up, archaic and outdated and simply idiotic piece of software ever written! It is one of the main reasons XP and all the others are so easy to crack.
Plus, the marketing for MS's OSes is so full of lies and deception, it makes me sick.
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for $799, this one seems nice:
http://linuxcertified.com/hotlist.html

also, you could always bye a preowned - off ebay or wherever - this way your not feeding *the man*

I took my old powerbook that was sitting around gathering dust and breathed new life into it by installing yellow dog linux on it. It runs soo much faster that the bloated Mac OS 9

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So old Bill's brigade pushed people away to join the Linux ranks, which in turn made Linux more desirable and furthered it's development. This again isn't entirely true. The core linux developers (the kernel developers) all come from a *nix background, i don't of any that come from a Windows background.

with regards to MS revolutionising the modern computer, it wasn't really down to them. Everyone knows that Xerox had the "windowed" technology first, then Mac took the concept further. MS history is littered with technology theft and anti-trust breaches, but there still number one, that I admire. But i dont think they have ever done anything rather revolutionary?

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The nvidia GeForce Go6600 video card should be much better than most of the integrated+shared video mem cards you get with the majority of low end laptops around.

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MS history is littered with technology theft and anti-trust breaches, but there still number one, that I admire. But i dont think they have ever done anything rather revolutionary?

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It is not owned by a corporation that spends billions promoting abortion, gun control, sodomy, feminazism, etc. Big reason there.

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what i do know is

1) if you adopt a child, they will pay upto $5000 for adoption related costs for each child you adopt.
2) they will match your charitable givings to (i believe any) non profit organisations up to $12,000.. so if i gave $12,000 to world vision,habitat for humanity,missionary organisations etc or whatever in the year, they will also match it.. So i suppose in that way, if employees donate to abortion non profits, MS will also.. but thats not directly.. but i'd like to find out if it is true that MS directly puts a sizable amount of money into such evil activities.

Karl

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yep, it is interesting, i want to find out if it is true or just rumour.

what i do know is

1) if you adopt a child, they will pay upto $5000 for adoption related costs for each child you adopt.
2) they will match your charitable givings to (i believe any) non profit organisations up to $12,000.. so if i gave $12,000 to world vision,habitat for humanity,missionary organisations etc or whatever in the year, they will also match it.. So i suppose in that way, if employees donate to abortion non profits, MS will also.. but thats not directly.. but i'd like to find out if it is true that MS directly puts a sizable amount of money into such evil activities.

Karl

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Doesn't google do the same thing.

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More:
www.abortionbreastcancer.com/planned_parenthood.htm

www.all.org/stopp/rr0306.htm

www.fathersforlife.org/health/abortion.htm

www.findarticles.com/p/articles/ mi_m1282/is_2_51/ai_53662235

www.lifeissues.net/writers/mos/mos_07billionaires.html

www.all.org/stopp/st001213.htm

They also support gay rights:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/22/technology/microsoft_gayrights.dj/

Did you know Bill Gates' father used to be head of Planned Parenthood?

Lazarus

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_05_30/us/annual_limit_on_h1b_visa_raised.htm

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The technology industry in general claims that there are not enough Americans to fill all available jobs.

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There's plenty of us tech folks here in America who could use a job at MS, why do they have to keep reaching outside the US to fill these positions? We buy their products instead of pirating them like so many other countries, the least they can do is offer jobs here first. Rochester, NY would be the perfect place for a GREAT BIG MS building!

seriously though, i don't get this at all....

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Im thinking of buying a cheap, good laptop, but I cant find one because they ALL have Windows on them as far as I can tell! I plan to put Kubuntu on it. Why should I pay big bucks for an operating system Ill never use??? This Windows thing I think is going way too far. If anyone knows where I can get a good (and new) laptop, without Windows pre-installed, Id realy appreciate it if you could tell me.

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www.pricewatch.com
www.emperorlinux.com
You could do what D-SIPL said
or you could as the store for a Windows refund (I think that's possible.. if not you may have to ask MS).

My suggestion: try Pricewatch or Emperor Linux

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I think it says in the Windows eula that if you do not agree to the terms of the eula, and you do not click "I agree" then you can get a full refund.

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http://www.netcraft.com.au/geoffrey/toshiba.html

[edit] I think Ill get one from unitedmicro.. exept the one I like is widescreen (which I dont like) :\ [/edit]

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btw, if you get an interview with Mr. Gates, plz ask him what's up with this:

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_05_30/us/annual_limit_on_h1b_visa_raised.htm

There's plenty of us tech folks here in America who could use a job at MS, why do they have to keep reaching outside the US to fill these positions? We buy their products instead of pirating them like so many other countries, the least they can do is offer jobs here first. Rochester, NY would be the perfect place for a GREAT BIG MS building!

seriously though, i don't get this at all....

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One reason is education, drive, and willingness to work the hours. I'm not saying Americans don't have those three...but many orientals and indians I've met are much more inclined to nose-to-the-grindstone with the kind of high math and science concepts required for computer science.

re: laptops - check out dell and I think hp...they've got options for no os / a dos version or red hat.

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One reason is education, drive, and willingness to work the hours. I'm not saying Americans don't have those three...but many orientals and indians I've met are much more inclined to nose-to-the-grindstone with the kind of high math and science concepts required for computer science.

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I don't disagree with what you are saying, however, though this sounds like a good justification, I also feel it is one of the many self-perpetuating stereotypes held by our society, including large corporations like MS. Self-perpetuating in the following cycle:

Example:

1- Based on my experience working with/hiring Americans, they are not as educated, driven, or willing to work the long hours as Asians. Therefore, to get what we need we MUST look outside the country to hire. Sir Mexico? Hahahaha, yeah right! You think a mexican ca..oh...i..mean...lets focus on India and China. So these jobs go to Asia (H1 or outsourced)

2- Dude, are you still thinking of majoring in computer science? No, my brother still can't find a job. Yeah, his company decide to lay a bunch of them off and hire foriegn contractor replacements. They also just built a new 7 story facility in Gurguoan, India. Why bother when all the tech jobs are being outsourced anyway?

3- Yeah, I heard that most Asians are better educated, driven, and more willing to work the long hours anyway. Yeah. I think I will major in nursing instead, its the hot field to get into right now, besides no Calculus!! (yeah, me too!)

4- Sir, I noticed less and less students are enrolling in our CS degree program. Ok, well cut back on that department, we do need to hire some more nursing professors though, were over-enrolled!

5- Mr. President, there are not enough tech people in all of America for my company we are in a dire situation, we MUST increase the permitted H1 visas and make it easier for us to hire from outside the country.

Really, all of America you say? ok, if you say so, it must be right. (..boy us Americans are lazier and more stupider than I thought..) btw, can you take a look at my screen while your here, its all blue and I cant do a dang thang with my ToonTown account, im PrezGoofy423 hehehehehhaaww!!!

uuhhh, sure.

6- ok, cool, we've got the green light, and hired the best we could find, they are on H1 status so we get a good discount to boot. They are really good workers!

7 - GOTO 1

If your attentive, you might have seen similar stereotypes perpetuating similar cycles within the tech industry:
1 - Asian the best
2 - mid eastern better than whites
3 - whites better than blacks
4 - blacks better than....
5 - mexicans, they do tech? ...ehh don't bother

Its called lowered expectations.

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Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs

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did you make that up coolj? cuz the only thing i don't like is making fun of El Presidente, he's cool =D

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hey! YOU called him "El Presidente" not me! You have a problem with his immigration policies or something? lol!