spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
what do you guys think of lucid dreams are they good/bad is it wrong to controll your dreams?? here is a site about lucid dreaming: check it out and tell me what you think. ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
I don't dream enought really to care... and controlling my dreams? Eh, whatever... then it would just be like a video game, only you couldnt remember it in the morning... I dunno, As long as you can wake up from a nightmare, your all good. where your dreams take you can be way more special than bending them to your will. *dooling!* 2 cents deposited. ------------------ |
leet hacker Member Posts: 118 From: Hobbiton, Shire, Middle-Earth Registered: 07-30-2007 |
technically, lucid dreams are dreams where you realize you are dreaming. so it's not bad or demonic or anything. if you realize you're dreaming (as opposed to being awake in the real world), then you can go about creating fantastical worlds of magic and make-believe or doing things like flying that you aren't able to do in real life. btw, there is a wikibook about ld-ing. ------------------ Über-Geek |
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JeTSpice Member Posts: 433 From: La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA Registered: 06-10-2006 |
I think Lucid dreams are awesome. Nightmares (as was brought up) I pray against. Sometimes they are the result of a troubled or worried mind. But they can also be demonically brought on. When I got married, I didn't want my wife to have any nightmares so we would include praying against the "spirits of fear" that are referred to in Job. After awhile, I thought, "Well, we aren't having nightmares anyway. No need to pray." And then one of us would have nightmares that night. You'd think I'd learn quickly, but we had to go through that cycle several times before I caught on. |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Usually I pray for the Lord to send angels to guard me at night while I sleep. Then I should not awake in any bad dream but have a good night rest. But God actually speaks to us through dreams. So I don't want to try to control my dreams. Controlling could be just an illusion. (The ability to explain dreams comes also from God.) ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] (Contact) - Truedisciple (mp3) |
jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
I have a large number of lucid dreams on average when i get a good period of rest actually. I haven't had any dreams in a while due to my late bedtime since i went back to school (although recently i've been having a few  ). Anyway, I don't entirely think that lucid dreams are ALWAYS when you realize you're dreaming. You more just have a more conscious mind in my experience so you can apply more logic to your decisions. That being said though, I've had lucid nightmares before. In the general case I can will myself to wake up if I'm in a spot that I REALLY don't want to be. Sometimes I realize I'm in a nightmare and let it play out a little to see if I can "win" and prevent the nightmare from happening. (Sound like a game plot? ------------------ |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
hmm... I kindof liked what Jari said. I agree with that. But in all honesty, i don't dream enough to care/practice the art of lucid dreaming. But I CAN get myself out of a nightmare. which is, well, good.  ------------------ |
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JeTSpice Member Posts: 433 From: La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA Registered: 06-10-2006 |
Yeah, I pray that, too, Jari. "You give your angels charge over us. They encamp round about us, and lift us up in their hands lest we dash our foot against a stone." That's what we pray. I think it's 2 scriptures mushed into one. Jestermax -- I used to do that, too! I used to think nightmares were awesome. Kind of weird, but I'd totally be, like, "Bring it on!" and totally fight them. The nightmares would be freaked! And when I woke up, I'd be scared, but laughing, too. After I got married, I realized that my sleeping experiences were being shared with my wife, (that's when I realized this was a spiritual issue) but she didn't share the same attitude, so I changed mine, and now we pray against them before going to sleep. Definitely a good thing for when we have kids. |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
When I'd be freaked out as a kid, Psalm 4:8 was a huge comfort to me.quote: It was neat that when we were in Ghana, I found and bought a djembe drum that had two Akan symbols on it that pretty closely approximated the meaning of Psalm 4:8. I'll have to take pictures of it sometime and post them. --clint |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
clint you were in ghana?? everyone: ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
I don't think lucid dreams are demonic necessarily. Subconscious interactions are something that I don't think any branch of science has a rather strong hold on, but the Bible speaks quite a bit about controlling your mind and "strongholds" that have to be torn down, which could suggest subconscious states of mind that posses the ability to change your behavior from the inside out. I think this is all very interesting, and I personally would like to treat it as an intriguing natural phenomenon first and research it to see where it fits in with everything else. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
hey look what it says in wikipedia: [QUOTE] Near-death and out-of-body experiences In a study of 14 lucid dreamers performed in 1991, people who perform wake initiated lucid dreams (WILD) reported experiences consistent with aspects of out-of-body experiences such as floating above their beds and the feeling of leaving their bodies.[9] Due to the phenomenological overlap between lucid dreams, near death experiences, and out of body experiences researchers say they believe a protocol could be developed to induce a lucid dream similar to a near death experience in the laboratory.[10] does this mean your spirit leaves your body when you dream(or lucid dream)?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
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JeTSpice Member Posts: 433 From: La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA Registered: 06-10-2006 |
No. Lucid dreams are not demonic, nor does your sprit come out from your body. (It's the Spirit of Jesus Christ in us, after all--would it come out because of a dream?) For us Christians, the two phenomenon are not related. However, if you have any kind of a dream, and you feel ashamed because of your dream, you ought to go to God and ask if this is a reflection of your character, and thus in need of change by the Holy Spirit, or if it is just a weird dream and not to concern yourself with it. God does speak to us in dreams (as was mentioned earlier). But not all dreams are God speaking to us. |
bwoogie Member Posts: 380 From: kansas usa Registered: 03-12-2005 |
dreams are so weird. i had a dream the other night, i knew i was dreaming, and it wasnt a "good" dream... i did wake up though before it got to crazy. my flesh wasnt happy about waking up... but my spirit was. ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
quote: oh i meant our spirit(our soul) the part of us that is left after our flesh dies.... like when people undergo surgery 1 out of 10 people have outer body experiences .... ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
It is interesting to note that the wikibook on lucid dreaming warns that attempting to induce lucid dreaming may lead to episodes of sleep paralysis. Sleep paralysis is one of a number of technical terms for an experience that is roughly described as waking up but being unable to move, sometimes with a sensation of pressure on your chest, making it difficult to breath. I experienced this a few times when I was younger without knowing that it is a common experience. It is generally extremely frightening, and has been described throughout history as some sort of demonic attack, much like particularly bad nightmares. The Bible does refer to "night terrors" and it would be reasonable to guess that frightening episodes of sleep paralysis could be demonic attack. It may be a purely physiological event, as well, or sometimes both. It was very frightening for me as a child. I used to also have very bad nightmares, and after praying about it with my parents, both stopped happening. This is one of those things that you will have to judge for yourself, but I guarantee that sleep paralysis is not something you want to experience, if you haven't already. Every time it happened to me, I thought I was going to die. This is somewhat related (in my mind) to the idea of hallucinogenic drugs. I've heard enough first-hand accounts to be fairly certain that using such drugs can open the door for spiritual experiences, usually bad ones (if you are looking at the issue from a Christian worldview, like I am.) Lucid dreaming may contain that danger, as well. However, I've had lucid dreams in the past without incident--usually I just take the opportunity to fly around before I wake up. ------------------ |
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JeTSpice Member Posts: 433 From: La Crosse, Wisconsin, USA Registered: 06-10-2006 |
Well, that's enough for me to change my view. Thanks for sharing, Steveth45. I'm sorry those things happened. Yikes. May the Lord give you 7 times over for what you had to go through. |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
actually i'd say i agree with big-steve-o that some mind-altering things can lower your mind's defense (specifically certain drugs, and hypnosis). I would think though that having lucid dreams would be somewhat of a higher level of protection over regular sleep patterns. You ARE using part of your conscious mind after all, so wouldn't you have more control then you would normally? ------------------ |
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spade89 Member Posts: 561 From: houston,tx Registered: 11-28-2006 |
how about false awakening?? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_awakening have you ever woke up only to find out you really didn't wake up and you are still dreaming and have to wake up?? or a dream within a dream?? ------------------ Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. |
MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
Maybe we're all dreaming right now? Or maybe just me...are you all real or apart of my subconscious? <cue_music song="twilight-zone"> |
Cohort X Member Posts: 126 From: The Great Pacific Northwest Registered: 09-16-2006 |
I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite. We are all real and you are just the product of a mass hallucination and as soon as we all realize this you'll disappear and this comment will make no sense. |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
why didn't i take the blue pill instead... Does anyone else keep track of their dreams, lucid or not? ------------------ |
zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: If I can remember them and they could serve as a good basis for a storyline or something, nothing major as of late though... ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
I discussed this phenomenon with an acquaintance of mine in college and found out lucid dreams can be used somewhat as a "portal" similar to what steveth45 mentioned. Apparantly from what she said by learning to control your dreams there is some way to enter what she termed as the "spirit realm". I don't think she's a Christian and the people she'd talked to about it who had done it were pretty much, from what I gathered, occultists in some form or another. I didn't take the discussion to far but I thought that this info might be useful to the discussion. As for myself, I still don't think the phenomenon is either good or bad, merely that it can apparantly be used in bad ways. It seems to be that your subconcious is somewhat like a "bridge" between the physical and spiritual, so it's the soul in a sense. That's just a theory and I don't have the info, Biblical or otherwise, to support it, but that's just my thoughts. ------------------ |
; it was like when luke skywalker failed yoda's test on the swamp planet of Dagobah... 
