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"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
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I've read a few articles with solid scientific evidence AGAINST Global Warming. One of them showed a pattern in the world where CO2 naturally increases to a high amount, the plants then grow rapidly to match, they suck up all the CO2 make lots of O2, then they die... cycle repeats.

I never heard it mentioned again..

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Never Forget to Pray!

"...prayer itself is an art which only the Holy Ghost can teach us. He is the giver of all prayer. Pray for prayer---pray till you can pray; pray to be helped to pray, and give not up praying because you cannot pray, for it is when you think you cannot pray that you are most praying. Sometimes when you have no sort of comfort in your supplications, it is then that your heart---all broken and cast down---is really wrestling and truly prevailing with the Most High."
Charles Haddon Spurgeon, from the pamphlet, "Effective Prayer"

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To top that off, the ice-core records show that CO2 increases occur [b]AFTER warming, not before. CO2 increase is not a cause of warming, but a response to it.

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Not always, sometimes it is before---which some people say now means there can't be a consistent correlation drawn between temperature and CO2 ---one time the Co2 rise was over 800 years after the climate change :-) BTW guys I don't remember the link to the CCN page but, on the KAIZEN blog (www.teamkaizengames.com/kblog.php), I wrote a post that includes links to a college paper a woman wrote to discredit Al Gore's movie (which she calles a Powerpoint Presentation) as well as some other links---might help out!

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After awhile of believing lies, it does something to the brain and you're not able to think clearly in other areas. "God gave them over to the dillusion"

I remember Y2K. Remember how *serious* it was? And some of us remember the energy crisis of the 70's. And how you could get AIDS just by breathing in the pubic restroom. Dillusional conspiracies run their course and die. Global warming is a one-hit wonder.

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Greenland didn't get it's name from all it's snow...

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I think it's arrogant to believe our industrialization is so significant -- like it parallels the power of God or something. The earth went through the flood, and it still thrives today. Every tree and plant we see grew after the flood. All of the humans currently on the earth came from Noah and his wife.

I'm not going to add more stress by following some psuedo-religious can-and-paper-sorting ordeal.

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Nah, the earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling.

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Actually, Greenland was always icy---to populate colonies on the island people named it Greenland to trick other people into moving there---just like how it is very green in Iceland--ironic huh?

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Actually, Greenland was always icy---to populate colonies on the island people named it Greenland to trick other people into moving there---just like how it is very green in Iceland--ironic huh?

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That's a conspiracy. It's a land of rainbow and unicorns.

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No you are thinking of North Dakota LOL

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i dont know about globl warning, but those crazy monkeys in india scare the crap out of me!

"It got hold of my son's leg and was carrying him away but I managed to snatch him back."

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Is that from a news story or something? It is almost like the new 'the dingo stole my baby'!!

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"...less than a month since the Delhi's former deputy mayor was killed after falling from the balcony of his New Delhi residence as he tried to fight off several monkeys who had ganged up on him"

"25 people have been bitten by a rogue rhesus macaque monkey...it went on what officials are calling a 'rampage' in one of the poorer districts of the capital, mauling, scratching and biting anyone in its path"

"...biting children and even grabbing a two-month-old baby from the arms of its mother"

“I was talking to someone at my door at around 11pm when a monkey appeared,” Naseema told the Times of India. “As I moved inside, the monkey followed and sank its teeth in my baby’s leg.”

"I then found a broken car axle nearby and brandished it at the monkey, scaring it away."

"monkeys were even blamed for breaking into India's ministry of defence and carting off several armfuls of secret files which they sprinkled liberally around the government"

"a local train service used a larger monkey to scare some of its smaller counterparts, but one of them wound up boarding a car and terrorizing passengers for three stops by scowling at them"

“Never look a monkey in the eye, never raise your eyebrows at one: it’s interpreted as a challenge.”

"We can deal with mad bulls but monkeys are more difficult”

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/13/wmonkey113.xml

some hindus believe monkeys are the god Hanuman, so they dont want to harm them & sometimes feed them

maybe monkeys are mad about global warming.

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Yeah, I view the war on terror and Global Warming very similarly, something that sounds good on paper (Let's Spread Democracy! Let's Avert The Apocalypse) but is just a money making scam that harms the everyday people so the richest 1% (which is equally Republican and Democrat no matter what stereotypes say) can get richer.

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but is just a money making scam that harms the everyday people so the richest 1% (which is equally Republican and Democrat no matter what stereotypes say) can get richer.

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Actually I think the weapons manufacturing industry can profit the civilian industry and the civil society as a whole. You have to keep in mind that the kindgom of Jesus has not yet come, so the age of peace is not here yet. So you have to accept wars as tough as it may sound. The first two world wars brought a lot of destruction however it was the war industry that kept the USA economy going after the great depression.
The Bible says that there are times for war and times for peace. If you cling with all your strength to peace you might start doing ungodly things.

My cheap take at it.

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Actually I think the weapons manufacturing industry can profit the civilian industry and the civil society as a whole. You have to keep in mind that the kindgom of Jesus has not yet come, so the age of peace is not here yet. So you have to accept wars as tough as it may sound. The first two world wars brought a lot of destruction however it was the war industry that kept the USA economy going after the great depression.
The Bible says that there are times for war and times for peace. If you cling with all your strength to peace you might start doing ungodly things.

My cheap take at it.

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Kind of an interesting look, although it is dangerous to accept war just as is too----

the only 2 wars I think were justified in the 1900's was WW1 and 2---in those cases it was justified, and Afghanistan was justified as a armed conflict because the Taliban were hiding those directly responsible for 9/11-----but a lot of wars in our country have benefited the rich and taken the middle and lower classes and flushed their lives away. War isn't helping our economy much right now--gas is at an all time high (I believe because they have a monopoly on energy---there isn't a reliable and easily obtainable alternative right now----if there was only 1 game console on the market we would be payin' 1000 bucks for it and it would have no features so this is a market trend that is typical) and there is a housing crisis.

Don't get me wrong--I don't want to sound heated (feel the need to state that since this is an internet forum and a touchy topic), but I personally don't like the idea that war drives the economy, I think some industries benefit, but the money that comes in goes right back into that 1%, you and I don't see a benefit and, honestly, I don't want to. A lot of people on all sides have died and, if I got money from that, I think God would have something to say about it.

BTW someone once told me that, in Vietnam, the president's wife had stake in Vietnamese bridge building companies and she was making something like a million bucks a day (have no idea if it 1970's dollar or ours) and that was part of the reason Vietnam was extended out for so long, does anyone know if that is a rumor or if it is true? Man, if I was here I couldn't sleep at night!

Sad fact: Haliburton (Dick Cheney's company) is based here in Montana sucky I know, they talk about 'averting terror' and not working with nations that are against the US, yet nearly (if not all) embargo and anti-terror-nation treaty since the 1980's has been broken by Haliburton, they have done business with countries they weren't supposed to just to pad their bottom line.

How does this all tie in to Global Warming? I will bet you hardcore money that, within 10 years, Al Gore and the groupies he supports will have similar scandals, they don't care about us they only care about padding their pockets with change.

I mean, seriously. Chew out the world for using gas-based cars and demand the purchase of hybrids, yet there is almost no bio-deisel gas stations in middle America--not to mention stations for other kinds of fuel. Most people don't have the know how to make their own bio-desiel and very few have the money or resources to import it, and (from what I have heard) hybrids are still an emerging technology which means all the kinks aren't worked out. It is one thing for a Hollywood celeb, if their hybrid breaks down they call their agent and a new one (with a Latte) is delivered within an hour (such a long wait!!!) but, if someone in the middle or lower classes has that problem, they can afford the Latte but don't have a car to get to Starbucks anymore! A car breaking down and obtaining the correct gas are both severe problem for most people and these high-on-a-save-the-world-trip celebrities don't seem to realize the logistics of what they ask.

EDIT: Haliburton isn't based in Montana, but has something to do with here, I think they have an office here or something, sorry for the mis-info!

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That's a latte that of course was purchased from a company who uses slave labor to harvest the coffee beans and creates 100 billion tonnes of SO4 pollution each year. . .

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Don't get me wrong--I don't want to sound heated (feel the need to state that since this is an internet forum and a touchy topic), but I personally don't like the idea that war drives the economy, I think some industries benefit, but the money that comes in goes right back into that 1%

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It's not an issue you can slice through with your eyes covered blind. I still wouldn't be too tough on those in the US that chose to make a business by producing and selling weapons. It's not about making rich 1%, it's about saving companies at the very heart of US industry (companies like Lockheed Martin). Those that have the money will get their weapons in one way or another. If USA choses to not to get into the "dirty" business of selling weapons, the countries that want weapons will get them from Russia. So you're risking to make another country wealthy (and more powerful) and 'damn' your own manufacturing industry.

What happens if you let your weapons industry run out of business and then another world war brakes out. Are you going to cry out to Russia or China to sell you weapons?

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and about global warming do you guys remember the weather 10 years ago?? do you see the weather now?? don't you see any diffenece?

and just a question : did people use to die of too much heat 10 or 15 years ago ??

i don't think it is in the hands of people to stop the whole thing but to say it doesn't exist is another thing, i don't need al gore or some scientist or some college kid to tell me if global warming is real or not i can feel the weather and see the sky at night.

p.s.: just so you guys know ,if you want to know if the place you live at is polluted or not here is how:
you know the hard paper cone shaped thing you find in the middle of toilet paper take it out and try too look at the moon at night if you see a star other than the moon in the view you get throught the cone then the air is not too polluted if you can't see any star then....

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

The Bible says that the end of the world is coming. Matthew 24:7,8 "...There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains." We're told in Matthew 24 not to get panicky about it, because all of these things must happen.

The issue that this thread is addressing is the cause of such weather changes and calamities. The Green movement will have you believe that it is industrialization that is causing these things. It therefore follows that industries should be shut down or regulated by the government. What this does is take power from the people and give it to the propagators of the Green movement.

The Green movement then uses this power to make money and sway politics, to grow and grow, and generally force people to accept the Green movement "or else."

It's a lie that industrialization is causing wide-spread calamities.

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The pollution is a real problem however you can view it also as a chance to grow. Pollution is a great incentive for micro climate technology. We want to land on Mars and dream to make it a breathable planet (a planet with an atmosphere in which you can breath unassisted) what better way to lean how to do that than by facing the pollution and climate 'problems' on earth. Even if we never get to terraform mars or another planet we will need self contained, earth like environments on spaceships.

Moldova the country I am from has been having serious problems with drought in the recent years. This year 2/3 of the crops were lost. Moldova used to be called "Solnichnaia Maldova" by the soviets because of its whines and fruits, the best in USSR. Now the country is turning into a desert, literary. The way I see it is that the pollution in Texas has nothing to do with the drought in our country. Back in the soviet days they had all the forests cut and all the swamps drained and now we're paying the price. I have no doubt it can be fixed back. However whatever we do it won't bring the clean air in Texas, nor will it make it worse. Those that keep pointing fingers at USA are nothing more than hypocrites, the pollution in Texas isn't leaking to Germany or make the rivers overflow in Great Britain/Switzerland.

Going back to my initial thought there's a lot of lessons to be learned from pollution here on earth. There's a lot of planets with polluted (human unfriendly) atmosphere, we have our own guinea pig right here =].

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anyways can you prove to me that the inense amount of carbon dioxide emissions from cars and industries have no effect whatsoever on the atmosphere?

i mean the whole global warming thig is not a new science it has been around for a long while and it is even thought in schools and now you are telling me that it is all a hoax, this could probably be the first web site i even heard anyone say this.

and why would they fake it ?? if it was a small group of organized people saying this then maybe .....but many people from many nations are agreeing on this topic not only that the melting of the ice the change in weather,etc... is showing it too

jetspice:
about the whole maldova thing maybe that has nothing to do but also maybe the pollution from cars here in texas added up with all the pollution from n.y.,l.a. and all the cities of the world added up with all the pollution of the factories of the world may have something to do with the recent rise in temprature .

and you know you might be right about he whole end of the world thing but that doesn't mean it's not caused by our irresponsibility.

i am not talking about what we should do about it but why it happened to deny that and blame people for faking it is another thing.

if you say that all this people are lying then you should show proof of it,not just paper work and studies(it's quite known that for most scientific research results there can be another research that says quite the opposite. )

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

I'm not from Maldova, Calin is.

You're totally entitled to your views. I sense that you are a little upset? My apologies to you. We should all be discussing these things in love. So, be loved, brother. I meant no harm to you. Whatever you decide to do, do it with all your heart, as unto the Lord.

This is the best way I can see to answer your question:

Here is a list, some proof about evolution. It was all proved to be a hoax--a lie. But not until all the people believed it. Even though it was proved to be a hoax, people still believe in it today. This lie went on for 100 years. Scientists grew it and added to it. Jump to the last line in the list, and you can see where it is proved to be a hoax. Satan will deceive the world with a big dillusion, so we should always be on the lookout. We should be testing the spirits that present us with facts, not just believing them. Okay, be blessed, Spade. We love you here.

1856 -- Neanderthal man discovered
1856 -- Dryopithecus discovered
1859 -- Origin of Species published
1863 -- Moulin Quignon forgeries exposed
1869 -- Cro Magnon man discovered
1871 -- The Descent of Man published
1890 -- Java Man discovered
1898 -- Galley hill "man" discovered [modern, misinterpreted]
1903 -- First molar of Peking man found
1907 -- Heidelberg man discovered
1908 -- Dawson (1908-1911) discovers first Piltdown fragments
1909 -- Dawson and Teilhard de Chardin meet
1912 -- February: Dawson contacts Woodward about first skull fragments
1912 -- June: Dawson, Woodward, and Teilhard form digging team
1912 -- June: Team finds elephant molar, skull fragment
1912 -- June: Right parietal skull bones and the jaw bone discovered
1912 -- Summer: Barlow, Pycraft, G.E. Smith, and Lankester join team.
1912 -- November: News breaks in the popular press
1912 -- December: Official presentation of Piltdown man
1913 -- August: the canine tooth is found by Teilhard
1914 -- Tool made from fossil elephant thigh bone found
1914 -- Talgai (Australia) man found, considered confirming of Piltdown
1915 -- Piltdown II found by Dawson (according to Woodward)
1916 -- Dawson dies.
1917 -- Woodward announces discovery of Piltdown II.
1921 -- Osborn and Gregory "converted" by Piltdown II.
1921 -- Rhodesian man discovered
1923 -- Teilhard arrives in China.
1924 -- Dart makes first Australopithecus discovery.
1925 -- Edmonds reports Piltdown geology error. Report ignored.
1929 -- First skull of Peking man found.
1934 -- Ramapithecus discovered
1935 -- Many (38 individuals) Peking man fossils have been found.
1935 -- Swanscombe man [genuine] discovered.
1937 -- Marston attacks Piltdown age estimate, cites Edmonds.
1941 -- Peking man fossils lost in military action.
1943 -- Fluorine content test is first proposed.
1948 -- Woodward publishes The Earliest Englishman
1949 -- Fluorine content test establishes Piltdown man as relatively recent.
1951 -- Edmonds report no geological source for Piltdown animal fossils.
1953 -- Weiner, Le Gros Clark, and Oakley expose the hoax.

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anyways i wasn't trying to be emotional i was just stating the fact that to say what you said you need proof, evolution sure there was religious motivations to supress Christianity and to make your own moral standards and stuff could possibly be the motivation of the evolutionists it was based on atheism(which is a religion)but global warming doesn't make any differnce in anyones faith ,maybe money but not faith.

and fyi:i am not trying to disprove or trying to disagree with anyone i just want you to convince me of what you are saying,if what you say is true before i call all those scientists and other people liars i'd have to see some proof from you and the people who are saying global warming is fake and i will have to believe your proof. i had some questions in previous psts too that are still not answered they were not meant to be rhetorical(some of them) and i'd like it if you or anyone answers them.

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If you're making a claim it's you who has to prove the claim. All we can do it deny the validity of your proof.
As I said my belief is that the climate is changing and that overall the temperature on earth might be increasing (although some places are getting colder not hotter). I don't think we are to blame for it.

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Actually, Greenland was always icy---to populate colonies on the island people named it Greenland to trick other people into moving there---just like how it is very green in Iceland--ironic huh?

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Actually, although this idea is put forward some times in the class room. The fact is that greenland was green when it was settled by the vikings. It was during the medieval warm period prior to the "little ice age" of the later middle ages. When the vikings settled on greenland they were able to farm and survive there for a few hundred years until after the climate cooled again and they were no longer capable of farming the land.

The entire issue of global warming has been turned into a political movement and as a result has been over run with propaganda rather than science. The main body of "scientists" which puts out information supporting global warming thesis is the IPCC, an UN organized and run group. The IPCC is billed as a group of a few thousand scientists. However many of the members are not actually scientists but are political appointees. Further, many scientists who were in the group have dissented against the conclusions published by the group, only to have their names listed as supporting the very things they disagreed with. Some have resigned from the group over this.

The situation is that basically nothing they say can be trusted because its not motivated by any kind of desire to get at the truth, or to establish a real scientific understanding of the situation. Its entirely politically motivated.

The motivation is money and power. The UN wants the power to tax nations and this issue is giving them the platform they need to push that agenda. Once they have the power to tax, it opens up a whole new world of power for the UN. Not to mention the vast amounts of money to be made, and we have seen how well the UN handles money and related issues of corruption.

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Deep roots are not touched by the frost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Not all those who wander are lost.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/20/rat_milk_plan/

Don't think for a minute that if these types get what they're after, it won't detract from our freedom. The goal of the spiritual force behind the Green movement and similar ones is to debase humans and get them further away from God. And to take away the manifestation of the freedom we have in Christ.

it looks to me like vegans,vegeterians,enviromentalists,etc... are being labeled as anti Christian,anti fredom and so on. but i fail to see how what they say is wrong. with vegans and vegeterians i can see how some of them consider people who eat meat as evil people or something on that line and i think that is wrong. but to say you don't want to eat meat is not anti-Christian and it is not against anyones freedom and to tell people to be enviromentally responsible is not wrong too(although there are those who take the whole thing to the extreme) .

it is likely(although i am not sure) that most of these people you are labeling are not Christian but that is doesn't mean everything they speak of is evil or every movement they are part of is anti-Christian.

but i do believe there are some who take what they believe in (vegan,vegetarian,etc..) and do/say/and believe stuff they shouldn't.

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Where this kind of thinking becomes dangerous is when a person of power or repute begins to make statements that will eventually result in laws being passed. This is where freedom would be infringed upon.

We saw how one person was able to take the 10 commandments out of schools simply by starting an idea and getting people of power and influence to rally around it. We don't want this mistake repeated in the Green movement.

If unchecked, this Green movement will result in the passing of laws which will damage the economy, and limit our "pursuit of happiness." If Heather Mills has anything to say about it, there would be no livestock industry.

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John 14:6

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

And to all -- we should take care not to jump on the opposite bandwagon and hate our enemies. The people behind the Green movement and other such movements are victims of dellusion. Even Christians will jump on board. Our fight is not with flesh and blood but against powers and principalities.

The way to combat this is not to hate, but to pray against the spiritual forces behind it. (I'm preaching to myself here) And to live righteous lives so that our prayers are powerful and not weak. The pursuit of righteousness is how a spiritual warrior trains his soul, and strengthens his prayers. "The prayers of the righteous availeth much." And the prayers, which pray out the Word of God are the weapons of our warfare. Only after we have done this will our words that we speak or type in real life be powerful.