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Anyways, in answer to your question leet, it's hard to say which one is "best" because they both have advantages over each other.

However, to do Windows applications such as text editors or little utilities, I am personally much more comfortable working in C#. As far as games go, it could go either way, but I personally find C# easier to work with in that realm as well.

In addition, Microsoft has a site up called Coding4Fun where they have good blog posts and tutorials about things like game development. For instance, here's a 2D Game Primer that teaches you many important concepts that are fundamental to 2D development.

In case you don't already know about it, there are two free C# IDEs for you to pick between -- one is open source and called SharpDevelop, the other one is a free (and only slightly limited) version of Microsoft's Visual Studio called Visual Studio Express.

There are even tons more resources for learning C++ -- the hard part is just determining where to start. I'm of the opinion that it's a good idea to just pick something and run with it for a little while. Don't worry about creating a huge game at first -- just make some small and simple games to get your feet wet and test out some different approaches to game development.

I hope that helps!

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clint

C# is like the new model truck. You can still haul things drive it but the windows are electric and it has a butt warmer built into the seat.

The old truck has lots of miles on it and servicable parts are abundant but the new truck is from Asia and there will be tons more parts arriving from the manufacturers everyday!

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Exactly why I didn't respond.

If you are writing a game, it's a little different story. Most of the C#/.NET library support is for writing desktop applications and the sort, and not so much for games. That said, there are API's that _allow_ you to make games with C# and either the .NET or Mono runtimes. Most of the benefits of using C# are outweighed very quickly by the additional issues it creates. For example, C# is pretty handy for handling strings, and doing things like sorting lists for you and such, but you wouldn't want to use this built-in functionality for any kind of live action/realtime gaming, since these functions can consume a lot of memory, causing the garbage collector to automatically kick-in resulting in major frame rate hitching (the game pauses for a couple frames). All the blogs and many of the people I spoken to who have spent significant time working on game development in C# have told me that you spend more time worrying about memory management with C# than C++, since you have to constantly tip-toe around the garbage collector. Additionally, you can't in-line functions in C# as easily as C++, so you either take all the additional function call overhead speed hit, or manually inline the functions. The "for each" syntax is cool, but you shouldn't really use it in games, because it allocates memory on the managed heap, whereas using a regular "for" construction doesn't. I wonder why Microsoft hypes XNA so much, because they certainly didn't have games in mind when they designed the .NET runtime.

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Exactly why I didn't respond.

I am still not totally convinced if C# is a viable gaming solution. Who was I talking with recently about this? I can't remember. I'm still confused about XNA. With MS pushing XNA so hard, wouldn't people know by now whether C# is capable or not?

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as for c# on linux i tried using mono on open suse and it was a mess finally got mono to work but monodevelop wouldn't work i searched for about two weeks i think for a way to solve my problems even in this site and couldn't find any solutions it was so bad that i had to switch back to windows i actually bought a windows xp professional for about $64(including shipping ) and now i am a windows user again.

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as for c# on linux i tried using mono on open suse and it was a mess finally got mono to work but monodevelop wouldn't work

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first of all i am spade89 not spade86

other than that i have tried downoloading it from lots of sources including open suse repositories the mono site ,the mono installer ,etc... i think i even built it from the source or something.

i spent weeks trying to figure it out and no luck.

i kinda gave up on doing anything serious on linux now although linux is cool and all.

it's too unreliable and too hard to port your programs i mean if you make a windows .exe you can run it on linux using wine but if you make a program for open suse you have to port it to .deb's fedora rpm's and you can't run it on windows.

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I've used Mono, and I would say that it is quite handy for cross-platform development of general desktop apps. I never had any trouble getting Monodevelop running in Linux. Mono is very close to being 100% compatible with the .NET libraries. This means you can use the Form designer that comes with .NET and easily port your app to Linux, or use Monodevelop's GTK-based form designer, and build cross-platform apps that way. Either way has to be 20 times easier than C++ for making standard GUI apps. MFC aside, even GTK+ and WxWidgets take quite a bit of fiddling when coding in straight C++ to do things that are trivial with C# and Mono.

I submit that you are better off with Mono, since it is another programming tool that may be used to great benefit under certain circumstances. Also, you'd be better off using standard English instead of constructions like "when u relize" or "ur".

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first of all i am spade89 not spade86

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other than that i have tried downoloading it from lots of sources including open suse repositories the mono site ,the mono installer ,etc... i think i even built it from the source or something.
i spent weeks trying to figure it out and no luck.

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linux is cool and all.
it's too unreliable and too hard to port your programs i mean if you make a windows .exe you can run it on linux using wine but if you make a program for open suse you have to port it to .deb's fedora rpm's and you can't run it on windows.

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I don't mean to argue, but that's exactly the way I feel about Windows: It's too hard to port to, unreliable, and there's the WINE equivalent for Linux called Cygwin. It's what we're used to and what we like best that we spend the most time on, and consider it familiar/easy/simple. (Which is why supercoder thinks mono/.net/C# is crap).

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there is no such thing as warranty,linux is "as is" as the matter of fact try logging in from the console and it will show you that,that is not the case with windows.

before making and argument about this topic you should know that i used to be (and to a certain degree still am)a huge fan of linux i think the idea behind linux and the opensource industry is really cool.

and the command line interface(console) is far better than windows not to mention the graphics system(x) and it's use of multiple tty's and having multiple desktops and lots more.

and linux is extremley customizable to your needs,if there is something you don't like in linux in many cases all you have to do is modify the code or write a better code.

for a programmer who just loves low level stuff or even for the average user who just likes gui's and special effects and all that linux is the best.in windows it's hard to modify certain parts windows you don't like like the gui and not break the law/the eula you agreed to.

and there is lots more side effects on windows and positive sides of linux(plus it's free).

windows costs you money ,every time a new windows version comes out you will have lots of incompatibility issuse ,you maybe forced to buy new hardware(like in vistas case),lots of the software available for windows is not open-source,and i believe windows is targeted as the default os of attack by viruses worms ,trojans,spyware ,hackers and etc...

that being said although linux is popular in the developer community and to a cetain extent in the user community let's not forget that about 90% of the pc's on the planet are windows,windows has a reliable support and i believe a warranty although you pay money for windows what you get for your money isn't that bad and for most of the things that go wrong with windows and/or if and inconvenience is found in windows that means a job for programmers to come up with solutions meaning more jobs(eg. let us say there is a security flaw with windows that means an it company will have to come up with a solution).

and the easiest to use os is windows ,you don't have to have and extended knowledge of computers/coding to install your favorite game on windows while in linux you will have to know how to work in a command line enviroment what certain terms mean(i had to learn lots of new terms in linux than windows) ,you will have to risk seriously messing up your pc ( that is if you are the average computer illiterate person trying to get things done in linux) ,linux is very hard to configure ,really disorganized compared to windows(if you see it from a regular users point of view.

from a coders point of view windows is faster to get things done(imho),and lots more people get to use your software if you make it for windows.

and as for the support in linux and windows in windows you paid for your os so it's more reliable while in linux nobody is responsible for any potential flows in the os and if you have a problem there it's hard to find a solution if you are not a pc geek.

and windows is more solid since there is more money put into building it and lots of people supporting it and the people who coded windows were paid to do it.

i am sorry that we hijacked this thread but to say that it's easy for the average user to get things done in linux(like install new software/configure stuff) is not in my opinion true.

but let's not spin this to a really long thread about windows vs. linux.

getting back on topic i would liken c++ to linux and c# to windows(their pros and cons) i still really like c++ but it is easier to get things done in c# and it's more portable.

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