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CPUFreak91

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This fortnight's interview is with HanClinto!

How did you find out about CCN?
I'm pretty sure that I found it whilst Googling for something related to
Christian-based game development.

Why did you join?
Two of my biggest interests are religion/theology and game development. I
really enjoy hanging out with other people that share these common
interests, so after lurking for a while, I decided to join.

What kind of job do you have?
By day, I'm a mild mannered programmer. But by night, I'm a mild mannered
programmer who works on games. For my sustenance, I work for a
large speaker manufacturer, developing firmware to
help run the amplifiers on their large powered speakers (the kind that would
go in at stadiums, large churches, or concerts).

Do you enjoy it?
Thoroughly. Programming is my art form, and the keyboard is my brush -- it's
what I love to do. I get stressed out writing code at my job all day, then I
come home and write more code to relax. I feel so incredibly blessed to have
a job that lets me do something that I enjoy so much.

Are you a coder? What IDE do you use?
Yup -- definitely a coder.

I'm often actively programming in around 3-4 programming languages at any
given time, and so it gets to be a bit of a pain to jump between IDEs all
the time. I use a simple text editor for most of my programming (Notepad++
or UltraEdit on Windows, and Smultron on the Mac), and for my "visual"
programming with .Net, I lean towards Visual Studio for commercial projects,
and SharpDevelop for personal projects. For my C programming on the Mac, I
of course use the one and only Xcode.

What languages do you program in?
In the past year I've worked in C, C++, C#, Interactive-C, Python, Ruby,
PHP, Javascript and TorqueScript. Over the course of my life, I've worked in
many more. After a while, they all start blending together -- once you learn
a half a dozen, it's not hard to add more -- there are generally just small
syntactical and structural differences.

Are you learning any new ones?
All the time. That's one of the main reasons that I do game development, so
that I can help motivate myself to continually learn new techniques,
languages, APIs, and practices. Sitting down with a thick programming API
reference is a nice way to put yourself to sleep -- it's much easier for me
to motivate myself to learn if I'm doing so in the context of writing a
game.

When did you become interested in computers?
My dad built our first 286 back when I was around 5 or 6, and I was
enchanted by it from the moment our first keyboard came in the mail. It was
really top of the line, and had an EGA monitor and a whole meg of RAM
(though we didn't know how to load HIMEM, so we never actually got to use it
even though we paid a chunk of change for it). When I was around 7, my dad
sat me on his knee and taught me how to write my first computer game, and
all about #include < stdio.h>. This was on TurboC back on DOS -- his theory
was that if he taught me C first, then everything else would be downhill
from there.

What was it about the computer that interested you?
Writing computer programs is like building with Lego blocks, except it's
capable of such intricate mechanics that are hard to do with gears and cogs.
You spend all this time building this elaborate contraption, then you call
everyone in the room and say "Watch this!" as you turn it on and poke it to
show off the cool reaction.

What operating system(s) do you normally use? Why do you use them?
My wife recently switched to a MacBook Pro, and I followed suit shortly
thereafter. I still use Windows, but I enjoy the Unix-y environment on the
Mac, and really like working in the native Bash shell. I use Bootcamp, and
frequently boot in to Windows in order to do games or some C# development.

What other operating systems do you semi-frequently use? Why do you use
them?

I used to use Linux more frequently, but since switching to Mac, I haven't
done much with it. Debian has been my distro of choice, primarily because of
the excellent package management through Apt.

What other things do you enjoy doing on a computer?
Besides programming, I spend a lot of time on CCN. I browse a few webcomics
(my favorite being A Miracle of Science), as well as read/edit Wikipedia,
and keep up to date on Slashdot and some of my favorite
programming blogs. Of course, I tend to check
my e-mail way more often than I actually receive mail.

Do you prefer Email or Instant messaging when communicating with someone?

Depends on the person. E-mail is usually better -- I try to avoid very much
instant messenger communication since it sucks so much of my time, though
it's not bad every now and then.

What kind of Email/Chat client do you use? What's it's name?
I use Gmail almost exclusively, though I do use the mail client (called Mail
I think?) that comes with the OSX for composing off-line drafts.

What are the specs of your home and/or work computers?
I just got a new laptop, which I am super happy about.
15" Macbook Pro
- 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
- 2 GB RAM
- 150 GB (120 GB Mac OSX / 30 GB Windows XP)

Before that, I had:
Home-built Desktop
- AMD Athlon 1800+
- 512 MB RAM
- 300-ish GB storage between various hard-drives
- Windows XP Pro and a Linux partition that wavered between Debian and
CentOS

At work, I use an IBM Thinkpad T42 -- it was a fantastic laptop until I
finally decided to buy my own.

Do you have a game console? If so what is it and why did you buy it?
If you have a game console, what was your first?

I always wanted a game console growing up, but wasn't allowed to buy one. I
finally got a Sega Game Gear long after they were cool, and enjoyed playing
it until I got frustrated with the fact that so few of those games had save
points. Last I checked, it's still gathering dust in a storage box in my
parent's barn. That was my first and last gaming console.

If I were to get one now, it would undoubtedly be a Wii (sorry Zookey ).
I love how much gameplay and usability innovation has gone into that system.
Even so, consoles aren't really my thing, and I doubt I'll get one any time
soon.

Do you touch the graphics field of computing very often (such as
modeling, or 2D art, etc)?

I don't do much modeling, I just don't have the figure for it. (rimshot!)

Seriously though, I really enjoy creating both 2d and 3d art. Windows Paint
and Gimp are my primary tools for 2d art, though I've also started using
Pixen in recent months (a nice tool made for doing pixel-art for the Mac).
For 3d, I almost exclusively use Blender, and I enjoy dinking around with it
from time to time. Even though I'm primarily a programmer (and have never
had a formal art class besides pottery), I've done a fair bit of game art,
and I would still love to have a Wacom and learn to do better visual art.
From time to time, I also do a bit of video editing and composition.

Do you have any opinions on net neutrality?
Not at this time -- I would need to read up on it a bit. If it has to do
with removing responsibility from the ISP and placing it on the subscriber,
I'm all for it. There's no reasonable way that access providers can be held
responsible for what goes through their pipes.

Do you believe in freedom (primarily in software) the way the FSF
believes in it?

Not really, no. As I understand it, the FSF believes in something that it
calls "copyleft which it
aims to be a political statement against the broken system of
"copyright". They aim to break copyright, thereby freeing all
software from its encumbrances (including the GPL from its admittedly
painful trappings).
For the record, the GPL doesn't strike me as being very "free" (as in
freedom). Rather, it feels to me more like it's "free" as in "communism".
The viral nature of the GPL makes me feel like I'm dealing with Uncle
Remus's Tar Baby every time
I have to muck around with code under that license. As a professional
programmer who is not always at liberty to open-source his company's trade
secrets, I have to be extremely careful when looking for libraries to make
sure that I don't get anything that's tainted with the GPL.
I will say that I think the GPL is a wonderful license for what it is,
but I strongly resist calling it "freedom". Rarely have I ever worked
with a license that was more constricting, or made more demands about
external source code and improvements and distribution. When I want
something as dogmatically open as the GPL requires, then I'm okay using it
as a license. However, when I want to create free software (as in freedom)
for educational or ministry purposes, I release it under MIT/BSD or Public
Domain.
So in answer to your question, I do believe in freedom of software, but
not as the FSF defines it.
I don't buy in hook-line-and-sinker to the
FSF's campaign -- I just don't think that abolishing all copyright law is
the way of the future. It's nice and ideal, but it just won't work in the
real world.

Do you have a favorite movie or TV show?
Wow, so tough. I haven't owned a TV in years, so I don't watch much anymore.
As far as movies, it depends on what mood I'm in. I'll give you a quick
rundown for what some of my current favorites are (in no particular order):
Favorite movies: Braveheart, Life is Beautiful, The Incredibles, UHF,
Aliens, Wallace and Gromit
Favorite TV shows: BattleBots, Junkyard Wars, a number of the Adult Swim
cartoons, 321 Penguins (though I don't know if this is considered a TV show)
Favorite radio shows: This American Life, Adventures in Odyssey, Jungle Jams

What other non-computer hobbies do you have?
I like to clown around with unicycling and juggling. I really enjoy playing
ultimate frisbee, which is one of the few sports that I've continued to play
since graduating college. I like building with Lego, and tinkering around
with things, whether electrical or mechanical. I don't know if I would call
it a "hobby", but one of my primary passions in life is studying God and
learning more about Him. It's a common thought that theology is boring.
Theology done wrong is boring, but I'm a firm believer that theology, when
done right, can be one of the most amazing and spiritually deepening
experiences a person can have. I really enjoy reading about theology as well
as talking with friends about theology. It's frustrating when it gets into
pointless discussion ("how many angels can dance on the point of a needle?"
sort of debates), but it can be incredibly rewarding to talk out and think
through issues like the sovereignty of God, or His omniscience and being
outside of time, uncreated, unchanging, eternal, self-existent. It's just
Awesome.

How would you describe your relationship with Christ?
Nothing short of incredible. It's always amazing to me to look back and see
some of the incredibly stupid and sinful junk I've done in my life.
Sometimes I can't even believe it really happened, and that I was that dumb.
I'm just amazed that God has picked me up, dusted me off, and forgiven me of
my sin (even that which I continue to do). And not of any good work that I
have done, or any good quality He sees in me, but completely out of His free
and indescribable mercy through the blood of Jesus Christ.

It's one thing to connect head knowledge and heart knowledge though, and
sometimes my head runs away from me and it's hard to get it on track. One
person who I identify a lot with in scripture is "doubting" Thomas, who
struggled to believe what he was told, and felt a need to find out for
himself. I don't think that Thomas is demeaned in scripture for his doubts.
When Thomas asked in sincerity, Jesus answered him and settled his doubts
with evidence and reason. I still have a very rocky road sometimes when
working through particular issues. Textual criticism, existence of evil,
inerrancy of scripture, and origins are all ones that I've worked through
and are working through, but I'm thankful that I've got a supportive wife, a
good church, and a loving God to help me through it all. I consider myself
to be in a relentless pursuit of the Truth, and I try to always be willing
to challenge my beliefs. I'll openly share and compare notes with other
travelers along the way, and it's one of my favorite things to do in life.

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Xian_Lee

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Sweet interview!

Quote: What other non-computer hobbies do you have?
I like to clown around with unicycling and juggling.

I knew that, actually.

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Briant

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Good interview!

quote:

My dad built our first 286 back when I was around 5 or 6

I found this part surprising. I had HanClinto pegged at quite a bit older. I guess now that HanClinto is about 22? Some personal stats in these interviews could be a good addition.

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Lazarus

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Oh, you listen to AIO? *is taping the Novacom episodes on his computer this time around so as not to lose them.. rotten cassette tapes*

Great interview, CPU! (No typos. )

jestermax

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woohoo! everything you wanted to know about clint PLUS juggling!
great interview and great movie selection i might add

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HanClinto

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quote:
Originally posted by BrianT:
I found this part surprising. I had HanClinto pegged at quite a bit older. I guess now that HanClinto is about 22? Some personal stats in these interviews could be a good addition.

Ah. Nice guesswork -- I'm actually 25. So maybe I was a bit wrong about my age when we got it -- looks like I was more around the age of 4 or 5.
According to the 'kipedia, 286's were produced from 1982 to 1986. If that's correct, then we got one shortly before they were discontinued (but it was still honkin' expensive).

But yeah -- 25 years old now, been married for a little over 2 1/2 years. I was homeschooled from kindergarten through high-school, and then went to college where I got a degree in computer engineering.

Glad the interview wasn't too boring -- thanks so much for your interest and for reading! (I won't blame you if you skipped the long tirade about copyleft/copyright)

Cheers!

--clint

Edit: My wife reminded me that I'm 25, not 26. *sigh* I'll turn 26 in August though.

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Xian_Lee

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quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:

But yeah -- 25 years old now, been married for a little over 2 1/2 years. I was homeschooled from kindergarten through high-school, and then went to college where I got a degree in computer engineering.


Homeschooled like I was? How do I keep forgetting that?

Seriously, though, you two are an awesome couple. I don't know how I didn't recall that you were practically newlyweds when I met you.

You're awesome, Clint!

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ArchAngel

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nice interview. like your part on the FSF.

so you were homeschooled? wow.... one of us.

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jestermax

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it's ok clint, somebody asked me yesterday how old i was and i honestly didn't remember...

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Lazarus

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You're probably about 102 then...
Mene-Mene

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Wow! Awesome! I hope I"m on the list.

1 question, from your first answers, are you a poet? lol.

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SSquared

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Another interesting interview.

Dude! Had no idea you are working for JBL. I don't think you ever mentioned that. That is SWEEEET.

I definitely enjoyed your GPL comments. I had no thoughts on it when I was asked in the interview. Your statements gave me a greater understanding of the license.

D-SIPL

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Great interview.

The GPL offers a lot of freedom to people who go along with the philosophy of free software. If you are the type that wants to use/learn/contribute to open source free software, and in turn want to protect that from people profiting unfairly from your gift to the community, then I see nothing wrong with it.

I understand people writing commercial applications and making money, open source apps are unlikely to make you rich. But me personally, i need to bring myself back to my roots and my passion and write/contribute to open source from time-to-time. Giving something back that is 'free' for people to use, not abuse (profiting from it), hence why I find GPL perfect.

Richard Stallman is a Communist at heart. I don't always believe as religiously as he does, with all the ideals (just try Gnewsense Linux Distro). He has done a lot of good for the software industry in general.

Anyways, totally side-tracked there. Very thought provoking, good interview

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HanClinto

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quote:
Originally posted by Xian_Lee:
Homeschooled like I was? How do I keep forgetting that?


I don't know -- I don't seem to recall that you were home-schooled either though. Wow, that's pretty cool.

quote:
Originally posted by ssquared:
Dude! Had no idea you are working for JBL. I don't think you ever mentioned that. That is SWEEEET.


Yeah, JBL was the other competing company for when I came out and interviewed with Steveth's company. I flew out to California the week after I went to Oregon to interview there, and it went really well and they offered me a better job than I expected. So I didn't have to move (the JBL position is in the town that I'm already living in in Indiana [yes, I just wanted to type "in in in"]), but I definetly left a piece of my heart out in Eugene -- man, it's beautiful out there.

quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:
The GPL offers a lot of freedom to people who go along with the philosophy of free software. If you are the type that wants to use/learn/contribute to open source free software, and in turn want to protect that from people profiting unfairly from your gift to the community, then I see nothing wrong with it.
I understand people writing commercial applications and making money, open source apps are unlikely to make you rich. But me personally, i need to bring myself back to my roots and my passion and write/contribute to open source from time-to-time. Giving something back that is 'free' for people to use, not abuse (profiting from it), hence why I find GPL perfect.

Richard Stallman is a Communist at heart. I don't always believe as religiously as he does, with all the ideals (just try Gnewsense Linux Distro). He has done a lot of good for the software industry in general.

Anyways, totally side-tracked there. Very thought provoking, good interview



I thought it was a very appropriate side-track though. You hit the nail on the head, when you said the main difference is ensuring that other people can't profit from your contribution. Has Stallman really called himself a Communist-sympathizer (or however that would be worded)? I certainly see many Communist ideals in the GPL, but I don't know how completely his ideals follow Marx.

I guess one of the other main reasons why my ideals differ from the GPL (in addition to not thinking that copyright should be completely destroyed), is that I don't consider someone profiting from my freely-offered-gift to be "abuse" -- if I give some poor guy a hammer, I really hope that he can use it and make money with it, and not just have to build free stuff with it (as opposed to something like Anjuta, a GPL IDE that can only be used to make other GPL software). I have a hard time setting restrictions on what people can and cannot do with stuff that I give them -- that feels way too demanding, isn't a true gift, and doesn't strike me as freedom.

Even if someone takes my software and closes it, they're only closing a copy of it. The original that I released will always be free, always be there to help the community -- no matter if other people take it and close it. So what? It's their code that they wrote to go on top of mine -- I claim no rights to those improvements. If they want to give them back, that's great -- but I don't feel right demanding that back for every piece of software that I write.

I will agree that the GPL is a great piece of license writing for what it's intended to be -- and I use it as such (I have released quite a few lines of code under the GPL/LGPL in my day), I just try to make a good distinction between the difference between free software, and copyleft software.

Aaack! Another long tirade. Sorry. I hope I didn't slam anyone too hard, but I'm sure my anti-GPL-zealoutry bias showed through quite visibly. Please forgive me for that, and feel free to counter, either in this thread or in a new one. If you think I'm failing to take some aspect into consideration, I'd genuinely love to hear it.

In Christ,
clint

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InsanePoet

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quote:
Originally posted by Xian_Lee:
Sweet interview!

Quote: What other non-computer hobbies do you have?
I like to clown around with unicycling and juggling.

I knew that, actually.


Is that code for that he has no non-computer related hobbies?

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Xian_Lee

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That's code for, "I've seen one of Clint's juggling performances."

It's actually a pretty cool tool (using juggling as part of a story that explains the Gospel to kids) that he has.

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Jari

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Dear Clint, I did not fully read your interview (yet) but since you love the Lord, I love you too and don't care about anything else because that's what matters.
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quote:
Originally posted by Xian_Lee:
That's code for, "I've seen one of Clint's juggling performances."

It's actually a pretty cool tool (using juggling as part of a story that explains the Gospel to kids) that he has.


someone should make a video of that.
clint's a multi-talented individual. he's only a few years older than me and seems to be about 15 years ahead of me in maturity.

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quote:

Even if someone takes my software and closes it, they're only closing a copy of it. The original that I released will always be free, always be there to help the community -- no matter if other people take it and close it. So what? It's their code that they wrote to go on top of mine -- I claim no rights to those improvements. If they want to give them back, that's great -- but I don't feel right demanding that back for every piece of software that I write.

I will agree that the GPL is a great piece of license writing for what it's intended to be -- and I use it as such (I have released quite a few lines of code under the GPL/LGPL in my day), I just try to make a good distinction between the difference between free software, and copyleft software.

Aaack! Another long tirade. Sorry. I hope I didn't slam anyone too hard, but I'm sure my anti-GPL-zealoutry bias showed through quite visibly. Please forgive me for that, and feel free to counter, either in this thread or in a new one. If you think I'm failing to take some aspect into consideration, I'd genuinely love to hear it.

In Christ,
clint

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I can certaintly see your point. I think at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference, some hardcore Open Source zealots have a hard time with people possibly using their 'free' gist to world, only to make a lot of money from it. Imagine if you wrote something truly innovative, you then distribute it for free and before the whole world gets to see it, some other company copies it, markets it and sells a million copies. They have done it off of your back, your gift to the world, the very thing you intended to be free for people to use has been profited from. This may or may not be a problem for you. That's why the GPL really comes down to personal preference.

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graceworks
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Great Interview!

Wow, a true coder. Did your Comp. E degree delve a lot on the hardware side? Must have done some since doing firmware. My Master's is EE but could be classified as Comp. E. - the school only recently adopted that term.

For my day job, I've had to do Firmware and PC-side "C". BOY, am I rusty.

Keep on coding!
Tim

PS Is software weenie still used or am I showing my age?

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by jestermax:
it's ok clint, somebody asked me yesterday how old i was and i honestly didn't remember...



I have the same problem. I have the Linux kernel creation date memorized, so I just remember how old the kernel is and then I know my age (we were both b orn in '91)... kinda sad, I know.

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quote:
Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jestermax:
[b]it's ok clint, somebody asked me yesterday how old i was and i honestly didn't remember...



I have the same problem. I have the Linux kernel creation date memorized, so I just remember how old the kernel is and then I know my age (we were both born in '91)... kinda sad, I know.


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I'm always forgetting and saying I was born in 1992(when someone asks) - which usually nets me a round of idiotic laughter from the siblings...


Moira
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Interesting...you have inspired me to dig out my Legos.

286? Our first was a Zeos 486.

Sounds like a good dad.