SSquared Member Posts: 654 From: Pacific Northwest Registered: 03-22-2005 |
This is a spin-off from Steveth's post on the 8GHz thread. I didn't want to go off topic. I think it may be interesting to discuss people's views on Vista and gaming. Maybe some of you have personal experience or have read helpful articles.
quote: Thanks for the info Steveth. I've been wanting to get my laptop before Vista came out and you have given more reasons. I'll probably order one within the next two days. Carmack was recently inteviewed by TechWorld or something and he was not very gung-ho on DX10. He wasn't necessarily negative either. The following is my own opinion: I think gamers are in a Catch-22. If they want to use DX10 they must have Vista. But current game compatibility is questionable on DX10. Plus, I thought I had read DX9 cards are potentially problematic running under Vista. It will be best to have a true DX10 compatible card when running under Vista. What are your opinions? Will you upgrade to Vista? Are there applications you use and are aware of it being incompatible? I have been looking for a new computer (laptop), and it's been a tough choice for me. I have decided to get XP for now. I'm concerned with compatibility issues and am also worried Vista will give an automatic CPU hit over XP. I've tried finding benchmarks on Vista vs. XP speed. Anyone have any links? |
samw3 Member Posts: 542 From: Toccoa, GA, USA Registered: 08-15-2006 |
Well, I'm not a gamer, so when Vista launches, I'll probably switch to Ubuntu. ------------------ |
kenman Member Posts: 518 From: Janesville WI Registered: 08-31-2006 |
Wow . . . I have been using Vista RC1 to test things, and the basic Vista will run on pretty much anything. I tested on a 1200mhz amd with 512 ram, and it loaded pretty fast. Email was not as slow as previously mentioned. As far as compatability, nothing ran that I would want to run. The best game I could play was some of the stuff that was done by my brother in Pygame. All of the python stuff ran well without glitches, but thats were stuff stopped. Getting XP pro or media edition is probably a good idea, but RC1 was not ready for the real world (IMHO!) Will I upgrade to vista, only because I have too, unfortunately I think that by the end of 2007 there will be a large enough glut of Vista machines by the big computer makers to make it an almost have to. |
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SSquared Member Posts: 654 From: Pacific Northwest Registered: 03-22-2005 |
quote: I'm not much of a gamer either, but I find the whole Vista/DX10 issues one of the more fascinating Vista-related topics. It presents some real issues and questions for gamers and game developers. XP was horrible for games when it first came out. Then they came out with two (Game) Compatibility fixes and most everything became usable. I still have a few games which won't play or behave oddly. So I'm wondering if Vista may end up being the same way. |
CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Meh. I'm switching to a console. No more Windows games for me I'm choosing the lesser of the proprietary evils. ------------------ |
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samw3 Member Posts: 542 From: Toccoa, GA, USA Registered: 08-15-2006 |
quote: I'd say, go with a wii it seems more fun to play imho. ------------------ |
steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: That's interesting. If enough people are angry about incompatibilities, Microsoft usually comes up with patches. I waited years before switching to XP, and I don't regret it. I had Windows 98, it was fast and ran all my games fine. Unfortunately, software I wanted to use, like Visual Studio and other things required the NT kernel, so I had to switch. In fact, you can get by today just fine with Windows 2000 Professional. You can get the latest versions of DirectX 9.0c for 2000. However, Windows XP currently has better support for older games written for Windows 9x. The future of gaming, for better or worse, is consoles. Five years ago, the PC game market was over $2 billion, now its less than $1 billion. I don't know the exact numbers, but the console market is several times larger and growing. I think the Vista/DX10 thing is going to hurt the PC game market even more. If I were a PC game developer, I'd stick with OpenGL, which is supported by Windows, OS X, and Linux. It's hardly inferior to Direct X, it's what DOOM 3 uses. I doubt I'll upgrade to Vista any time in the next 4 or 5 years. Windows XP will be fully support by Microsoft for many years to come. Chances are, I'll probably get back into Linux anyways. ------------------ |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Before anyone bashes Microsoft's upgrade stability too harshly, people may find it helpful to read The Old New Thing, which is a blog by a guy at Microsoft who has to patch Windows and keep old apps running smoothly. It gave me a fair bit of insight into just how tough of a situation Microsoft is in with trying to get people to upgrade. Still, I think Apple did a great thing when they moved from OS 9 to OSX when they made the decision to make old apps run in an emulated OS9 rather than supporting them natively in OSX -- pretty smart call IMO. --clint [This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited January 24, 2007).] |
InsanePoet Member Posts: 638 From: Vermont, USA Registered: 03-12-2003 |
quote: Especially considering they were moving to a BSD Unix based operating sytem from whatever they had before. ------------------ |
jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
i think there should be one professionally developer OS that runs everything in a virtual machine (or emulator). Windows, Mac, Linux, OS/2, what have you. |
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InsanePoet Member Posts: 638 From: Vermont, USA Registered: 03-12-2003 |
I don't know, maybe making sure every video game works isn't their priority. I would assume most of their business comes large companies and even in the non-business environment, a large portion of the users don't care much about video games. I'm just trying to see it from their perspective. ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: They did the same when they moved from the PowerPC achitecture to the x86 architecture (emulating the PPC processor for the older PPC apps). ------------------ |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: I promise that I'm not an total MS hater, but I don't particularly have sympathy for Microsoft trying to get people to upgrade. It's how they make money. I am a little bitter that I'm forced to purchase a Windows license when I buy a new laptop. Those sweet little music devices, the IRiver, well, they say that they work with Windows. Actually, they only work with Windows XP, so when my wife got one, I had to put XP on her Windows 2000 laptop and turn my desktop into a 2000 machine--lame. ------------------ [This message has been edited by steveth45 (edited January 25, 2007).] |
Valkyri Member Posts: 205 From: Registered: 08-13-2005 |
Me, I simply burnt out on windows. Since, I switched to linux a year ago or so, I've not had any problems (well, except for problems caused by me)  ------------------ |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
With Vista, Microsoft is taking extreme measures to combat content piracy, to the detriment of its users. For example: "Vista's content protection mechanism only allows protected content to be sent over interfaces that also have content-protection facilities built in." So, for example, if you watch a HDDVD movie on your computer, you can't output the sound over a non-content protected interface, like S/PDIF. Ironically, this will not have any effect on stopping piracy of movies, but it will cripple the functionality of Windows. ------------------ |