I go to get a Christmas card for a friend and their family but the entire store does not have, but they do have merry Christmas to specific family member only. They have plenty of other cards, which is odd that their over 90% Christians but the stores have less that 1/4 of the holiday things that are not Christmas. Another store they talked about on TV refused to say merry Christmas.

The government has been forcing separation between church and state for so long and took away the name Christmas tree to holiday tree in the Whitehouse. The entire Whitehouse food is kosher despite no orthodox Jews their or is Bush nuts? Also kosher food is gruesomely inhumane to animals, and PETA finds it very disturbing. The government and the courts have ruled to take out anything related to Christmas since they say separation from church and state, but the Jewish and Muslim symbols are allowed not to offend them. Christmas should not be shown since it will offend people. Also separation and church and state it to protect the church from the government to spread the gospel freely since that is a Christian thing so what the government is going is going against Christian rights in some ways. Offend?? Over 90% of people in the US are Christian. Jewish people consist of 2-5% in the US but the government closes for Jewish holidays. Muslims have no gripes with Christmas and know that it’s the celebration of Christ which they believe. Atheists consider him just a philosopher in history so that have no real gripes. Not even the nativity set up is allowed despite some people say it’s just a historical even and nothing allowed.

Double standards maybe? But why target Christianity? Only the Jewish religion get offended by Christ since Christ is considered a heretic, illegitimate, and the follows are heretics as well for following a false profit. Like Dennis Pager said “Jews fear most religion. They identify religion -- especially fundamentalist religion and especially Christianity -- with anti-Semitism.” Too bad Christians don’t get it and defend the people that attack them and thanks the people that tell them what’s going on, which that are what you called ungrateful. Its like would you be upset that a criminal did something unforgivable to you help put to death, and then the criminal is praised my everyone and wouldn’t you feel everyone is a fool? Many Protestants don’t get it in the US while the vast majority does, but what can you expect from people that let the small 10% rule 90%. Even the time line of BC/AD is being changed not to offend since it refers to Christ and are trying to make it mean something else.

“a local Hasidic rabbi (Elazar Bogomilsky) who threatened to sue the airport if he was not allowed to erect a large Hannukah menorah and conduct a lighting ceremony. The cowardly response of the airport officials was to order workers on the graveyard shift on Sunday night to quickly remove all eight trees.” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16158752/site/newsweek/
This is one out of many stories that many secular or Jewish organizations have threatened places to remove anything related to Christmas, other organizations like the JDL, ADL, ACLU which is run by secular Jews which is the facts and I am quoting from Jewish sources only. But to erect a Hanukah menorah even a small one for the less that .5% that follow Judaism is ridicules. I know some will say there are more than that but 90% of Jewish people is secular. That is not even a real religious holiday, which goes against the Torah but a bigoted holiday which many don’t know which kind of is more anti-Christian, and even its origins are unholy which some Jews admit.

(Not before some call me something I have to tell you to go to hell, since I lived with Jews, and Jewish communities that insult the hell out of Christ and Christianity, but I do get along with many and have many Jewish friends, and just recently I gave a car for free to a Jewish friend so I have no Ill will towards them but I do know what goes on.) :-P

the news says on TV secularists try to attack Christmas but who are the secularists? Again they will not name a specific groups view since as the last post said they will not. Christ names groups but says that there no difference to becoming Christian which many get that wrong lately.

So every Christian holiday or giving thanks to God or saints have been distorted in its original meaning. If you ask what thanksgiving is they will say tis about family and eating turkey than about giving thanks to God, which that’s the main thing Thanks Giving... they leave out "to God" which it generally means. Easter is given to the bunnies and colored eggs which originally it was to have red eggs to symbolize god's blood but since when did god have blue, yellow, green, etc blood? A chocolate bunny is just another marketing trick since I can’t find that part in the bible about chocolate bunnies.

Santa clause which is made by Coca-Cola in the early 1900's. Where did Saint Nick go? But I don’t have Saint nick on my Christmas I have St. Basil since he was considered to give gifts and St. Nick was referred to the saint of the sea. Well that’s how it was before other Christian sects put their own spin on religion. I know some will say the Christmas tree is not Christian but it's a Germanic thing, but still that being associated with Christmas is being Xed out as well. Some say Christmas is for kids, but no it’s for everyone since Christianity is not for kids only and people should celebrate the true meaning of Christmas.

Have Christians shot themselves? The thing is that they are trying to push for other cultures to come in more and x-out Christianity slowly. You can see this in other forms with immigration since Muslims are being brought in to many overwhelmingly Christian countries like Europe, US, etc. Muslims didn't have there power to role the ball, and Christians didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot for it, and atheists don’t need more religions to complain about lol. The influx of Christians to the US is not as great as it use to be and in some places certain Christians are leaving the US like Catholics and Orthodox people. Protestants have no place to go and England doesn’t want them since they have a quota to bring in more non Christians lol. Are Christians this out of the loop to not understand what’s going on? Almost all the Christians I talk to out side of the US gets it but many in the US do not and insult us for being blind and having reverse discrimination since Christians seem to be a push over since they do not understand word or even local events.

Christians will fight at the stores for a ps3 but to fight that that your core beliefs are being hidden like the Christians in Romans times in pathetic. I thought we had to be better and not worse. Even some Christian groups in college campuses are not allowed to discriminate and must allow non Christians to be presidents of their Christian groups or else face lack of funds and be closed down. If there are Christians throughout time that have are the biggest pushover it is now, and it is getting worse every year. In another 5-10 years you bet it will get worse, which I said this 5 years ago and no one believed it and I didn’t think it would get this bad this fast. Sure Christianity is within the person but to hide Christ, and we have to take down our crosses from churches, and never show out cross at the work place or bring it to work which some places have these silly rules since it offends the small 1-5% is ridicules. It’s like a small bug telling a tall person what to do.

It is silly to be offended, if anything I feel offended that people are stupid and a bunch of push over.

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“But the dirty little secret in America is that anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society; it’s been replaced by a rampant anti-Christianity. They only object to politicians attending church for religious reasons.”
You notice if a non Jew said this first then people will complain.
“It is the ACLU, which is overwhelmingly Jewish in terms of membership and funding, that is leading the attack against Christianity in America. It is they who have conned far too many people into believing that the phrase “separation of church and state” actually exists somewhere in the Constitution.”
“I hate them when they represent the majority, but no less when, like Jews in America, they represent an infinitesimal minority.
I am getting the idea that too many Jews won’t be happy until they pull off their own version of the Spanish Inquisition, forcing Christians to either deny their faith and convert to agnosticism or suffer the consequences.”
“This is a Christian nation, my friends.”
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Also Washington said you have to be Christian to be a better American.
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Since Christ has been Xed out in Christmas to be Xmas that is still not good enough and everything related to it should be wiped out since it offenses many.

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Lol, X means Christ.

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"The word "Christ" and its compounds, including "Christmas", have been abbreviated for at least the past 1,000 years, long before the modern "Xmas" was commonly used. "Christ" was often written as "XP" or "Xt"; there are references in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle as far back as 1021 AD. This X and P arose as the uppercase forms of the Greek letters χ and ρ, used in ancient abbreviations for Χριστος (Greek for "Christ") (see Labarum), and are still widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ."

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But since now it's used secularly, the ends go against the means right? Oh wait, that's a Protestant's view, which anything Protestant is evil, that's right

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p.s. Warsong I hope your gastrointestinal tract is doing okay because I used to be pretty stressed out about some of the issues you bring up (but not near as stressed as you seem to indicate) and I had major, nearly life-threatening problems. Granted I've got an allergy to cow dairy which contributed but still....as much as I disagree with you I would HATE to see anyone go through what I went through.

what I'm trying to say is....chill dude....Christ's got your back, not to put it too lightly but there's an Irish or Scottish phrase - "God is in His Heaven and all is well in the world" - or something to that effect. Don't jump off the deep end to say nothing really matters, but turn the burner down a bit.

Everything's going to be okay.

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dang Lava, did you have to beat me to the punch like that? I was all looking forward to it.. j/k lol.

man, this... yeesh. people have been complaining about this for years.

lol, it's political correctness, and while I myself am not politically correct (haha understatement) i think it's being overdramatized.

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Lol, X means Christ.

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What would Jesus do? Maybe celebrate Xmas and dress like Santa clause after shoving in live to find the proper toy for kids that don’t know him well or would father say yay Santa than yay Christ? Lol Anyway when people compromise they keep compromising and you will end up with something unrecognizable.

Obviously X means Christ, and Christ’s name starts with an X in the biblical language which is not the point.
“widely seen in many Eastern Orthodox icons depicting Jesus Christ." This is not an orthodox nation :-p
This county has abandoned many Christian things and are going further away so I don’t think putting replacing the X means it is heading back to Orthodoxy. And orthodox people know what x means while it is used to phases out the meaning. The name we dare not speak since it offends some. And so to give it an excuse they say it means Christ but in reality actions speak louder than words. Most people don’t know what the original thing means anyway so it’s silly to use it. If you want to use the X version then why not use it completely than making into a Russian salad. Original: Xristos = Christ

The point is that if people are too lazy to say Christ name properly, then why not also be lazy to do the cross as well. So why not just start off at the head and stop their since God knows what you mean, why say the entire prayer and just cut it in 1/2. If Christ is not important enough to say his name completely then keep supporting the X. If it’s too much trouble to say Christ name and clarity it then he will do the same to you and x you out. Lol Which another thing is that X in english means to cross out or being formerly, like Ex-wife, ex-communicated, etc. Let’s not forget the subconscious implications.

What ever you do for X sake do not say the name, only abbreviate it. Anyone knows off hand what OK originally means? Many I ask do not know what BC/AC mean but I would expect people in here would since people seem more Christian than most. The point is that people forget what the meaning. I don’t know if cheese storm is right or not but he commented that the X in Japan means that something is not good, if true then xmas means “no good mas” or “not a good holiday”. I find it hard to believe so I don’t know if that is true or not. Christmas has become commercial and one way to please people that don’t like Christ it to say X since its more pleasant sounding and many Christians compromise that. It was ok a long time ago to say it because the “educated people” use to say that because people were more religious and knew the meaning better, didn’t have no coca-cola Santa clause, and it was not about the gifts and food.

As the rest of the post shows its not just that but its shows the physical affects how Christianity is being slowly out. Its like Easter bunny for Easter, turkey for thanksgiving, and rain dears for Christmas should not be a symbol for what those days mean. It was kind of odd how in the movie “Super Size Me” More kids know who McDonald is than Christ, while one kid said that Christ is George Bush. Lol

From Christmas tree, to xmas tree, to holiday tree as the white house publicizes it while having their kosher Christmas dinner. What next the Mohamed tree.

Christians mostly don’t have the Christmas spirit and it shows in the many forms of stupidity they do like the Christmas rush how and spend more time on toys than Christ.

LOL read this from CS LEWIS on Xmas and Christmas
“But what Hecataeus says, that Exmas and Crissmas are the same, is not credible. For the first, the pictures which are stamped on the Exmas-cards have nothing to do with the sacred story which the priests tell about Crissmas. And secondly, the most part of the Niatirbians, not believing the religion of the few, nevertheless send the gifts and cards and participate in theRush and drink, wearing paper caps. But it is not likely that men, even being barbarians, should suffer so many and great things in honour of a god they do not believe in. And now, enough about Niatirb.”
More about it on the link
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~dunlapg/Xmas_and_Christmas.html

“Pylypivka - Philip’s Fast, which calls for renewal by reflecting on the person of Jesus Christ and the miracle wrought by His Nativity/Incarnation, can very easily be overshadowed and even buried by concerns, which, if not bridled, can plague and distract many of us during this holy season. They are concerns like the mass assault on malls for “Xmas” shopping, “Xmas” parties, the writing of “Xmas” cards and many other diversions, which can not only detract from the goal of this journey, but also remove Christ from it completely.”

“"The former Bishop of Blackburn, the Right Reverend Alan Chesters, made a recommendation to his clergy that they avoid using the word altogether.
He is now retired, but the diocesan spokesman Martyn Halsall said "Xmas" was still a talking point, particularly among older people, regardless of its Greek meaning.
"I think that's a subtlety that is lost on most of the population," he said."
"But for Jane Wyles, deputy editor of the Church of England's C Magazine for the Diocese of Southwell, it is part of a "blasé attitude" towards Christmas which she finds offensive. "”
“"It is the glib way people substitute Christ with this anonymous 'X'. It's all part of the PC picture - Christianity gets squashed into a smaller and smaller corner."
She is also not convinced by the argument that the word's history makes it acceptable.”

YAY secularists are winning and Christians are the #1 supporter.

Well non orthodox always alter Christianity which is why the Orthodox officially have Christmas after December.

Lava
LOL I keep forgetting to post about the bloody foundation of the protestant church and its violent growth since that would be over 3 times more than this posts length lol Maybe you can help me write it lol You got it first but I left that gap intentionally open since my post would have been longer with it. Odd that you only chose that part to talk about. I have more gaps that I didn't include since I thought people would be all over this like a dragon fly on a spider web lol.

Netcog
I know what you mean and you should rest and let others do it if you can’t. But Christmas is a thing within and it’s best for others to do their own thing and you do yours. What I do is just a reminder and we should not get all riled up about these sine we have to deal with ourselves first. It's just a reminder for people which many do not know.

Mene
I saw that too, how pathetic, and scary. Which reminds me of the saying "The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery." Shaw lol since people put their own culture into Christianity which changes Christianity.

Bud
You have a lot to learn. You have a reverse PC view since you support PC by saying what is right is pc lol. honestly you have to find that as funny.

Jari
What they prefer it to mean is kind of the point as well. It should mean what it should mean. Having the facts become an opinion is what brought about other unchristian actions. Don't you agree?

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Well non orthodox always alter Christianity

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Someone seems to have a case of "holier than thou". I've heard very valid arguments that the Orthodox in fact are an alteration of Christianity, of what Jesus taught... that's for another thread though.

Very interesting info on "X". Some of it I did not know, you learn new things every day

What does annoy me is the avoidance of "Merry Christmas" and replacing it with "Happy Holidays".

I mean I never get mad when people say Happy Honaka. Why should Christians repress.

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People try to take Christ out of Christmas, but they can't take it out of your heart, so why does it matter?

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Take Martin Luther, he was anti semetic

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To clarify that point, Luther was firmly antagonistic towards followers of the post-Temple Jewish religion and not Jews as a race or a people. Luther was apparently friendly toward Messianic Jews and people who were Jewish in heritage. Still, that doesn't excuse the writing of "Jews and their Lies" and it's sad that he left that as his lasting legacy before he died.

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Jari
What they prefer it to mean is kind of the point as well. It should mean what it should mean. Having the facts become an opinion is what brought about other unchristian actions. Don't you agree?

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Yes I agree it would be nice if it would mean what it should mean to everybody. But I don't think that's the way its going to be so we better just not make any assumptions of the way people see it.
It's something that's not easy to teach about, because not every one has heard about Christ. So I'd say let's forget the X and be Christians (Mat 5:15).

God bless.

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proverbs 25:7
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I think I've figured it out. he manages to get us to prove him wrong then he brings up some other crazy idea barely barely BARELY connected with the first one so it sounds like he's still arguing, then we argue with him over that. and it goes on. so it's really a long topic of arguing over about 20 things.

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Which reminds me of the saying "The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery." Shaw lol since people put their own culture into Christianity which changes Christianity.

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You're right!

And that's why Christ didn't come to save the sinner because then His message would be corrupte......I mean.....err......umm........

*frown*

From this point on I refuse to respond to anything ridiculous from him... well since it would be ridiculous and I guess in the end it's my fault for responding to it lol

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Did you say Kosher food is gruesomely inhuman to animals, Warsong?

IMO it is inhuman food too - those Matzo balls and crackers(all Kosher), yech. And that kosher soup...

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Yeah the same can be said about all priests as well. It's just society especially modern society that sees things extreme.

Jari
You notice how HOLY day got replaced with holiday. What is a HOLI? one place says "The Hindu spring festival." Obviously it doesn't mean that but it's cleaver how they remove the Y with an I. lol Maybe people should ask Y than say me, myself, and I.
You notice how BC/AC got replaced with CE/BCE? Its that when people compromise they keep compromising till they are left with nothing. I explain more about what is going on which I would guess you might find interesting. even C.S. Lewis comments on it if you didn't read that far to notice.
As you see permanent destruction changes thing gradually little by little. Just like jumping into cold water how you will be alarmed and jump out, while when it gradually gets cooler your body gets use to it and you accept it a little more.
For a Christian nation as they talk about it sue is anti-Christian which many Christians let it happen but not saying or doing things properly to support.

Laz
I know they cant take it out of your heart if you are strong but most are not strong which is why Christianity has been degraded. I hope you don't think communism is ok that they took away religion and people had to sneak around to be religious.

As for some of the rest, its that kind of lay back attitude that helps vanish Christmas in how it use to be in the public eye, despite some people were funny. Maybe CheeseStorm has more decency lol. Did he go on a CHRISTmas HOLY Day vacation already. :P

P.S. Christmas in Greek seems to be Xristougenna since some want the X, but I dont think many will use that longer world.
http://www.freelang.net/expressions/christmas.html
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HEBREW christmas sameakh (barely used) Obviously since they try to take it away as this post states.
LATIN felix dies Nativitatis
ARABIC miilaad majiid
GALICIAN bo Nadal
JAPANESE meri kurisumasu
LATVIAN priecīgus Ziemassvētkus Now thats long
SPANISH feliz Navidad ???? I thought that meant something else
FRENCH joyeux Noël
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This post had a lot of informative things and not just about the letter X.

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Just wondering, do you believe in the existence of Grammar Rules of the English Language? You know, rules pertaining to using prefixes and suffixes?
If we used the entire and unmodified root word for each part of compound words all the time, we'd have a very screwed up language. As is evident in most of your posts, you never quite made it past 6th grade English, so I suppose we can forgive you.

And so fur now i will go giv fude forr al teh familys cuz it's tha holyday seesin.

By the way, I assume you'll be thinking of coming back with some argument. You're entitled to it, and I anticipate it. But when it comes down to it, you have no credibility anymore. You could say a white wall is in fact white and I would second guess it. Why? Because you said it. I admit that this is wrong, but with the utmost feigned respect, you've done this to yourself. It still puzzles me that you continue to return to this site. Perhaps you think you're witnessing or something. You should know by now that the most stubborn, willfully ignorant people are those who conform to structured religion, or actively refuse to do so.

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For a Christian nation as they talk about it sue is anti-Christian which many Christians let it happen but not saying or doing things properly to support.

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And what have YOU done?? Aside from telling *us* to do something or "oh I don't say Xmas or I don't buy things with Xmas or santa on it".

And please...PLEASE give me a STRAIGHT answer.

Though the answer I will be expecting will be either you ignoring my post, or giving me some 5 page excuse WHY you don't give straight answers, totally ignoring the question, LOL.

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Crazy
Thanks for proving that you are what you name says. lol Quit derailing, if you have a comment about me you can pm. You can’t address the issue which is why you use personal attacks, so don’t act like a crazy horse act like a smart horse. You can learn some morals from cheesestorm, and I am being serious about that since he is proving that you don’t need to be a Christian (by name) to have morals. He is talented he didn’t even have to post to show it. lol But you don’t seem like a Christian. I see you got offended because you do those things that are objectionable which is why you attack. If so do what you like God will judge you.

Lava
I should proof read but o well, but those are some good typo. Lol But you got the general idea it seems to ask me the question. How many things are there is another question. Is it ok to go 1 step forward and 2 steps back? You vote for conservative causes than liberal ones that push for it. And I don’t mean fake conservatives like bush and those neo conservatives but the traditional kind like Pat Buchanan. You like that one answer? Or another is to get informed and not be ignorant and be humble to read the other side of the story since if I was in your position I would read and see what another perspective is. Not good enough still? What about practicing what you preach and getting use to Christian traditions than social traditions. People feel guilty and complain about giving a $1 a week to church that puts the money to programs that help others, but to give over $100 a week to things that hurt them which they can’t get enough of. You want something more? When people find politics boring they are boring, but some kids that are under voting age may be excused on that point. Do Christians believe in magic that causes bad things in society or some driving force? Accidents can’t make a big mistake to remove Christmas from society. Do you honestly say that the Christians now are like the Christians 50 years ago and have more morals? And I am not talking about the people here but the vast majority that say they are and do not even care for Christian games, Christian communities, or Christian views. Not good enough still, then what would you like me to specifically say to you?

Did I even back away form answering you or give you 5 pages of excuse? Stop over exaggerating and looking at things like that.
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Jari
You notice how HOLY day got replaced with holiday.

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My reason for addressing you instead of your argument is simple: I do not care what you think of my opinion. Nor do I feel the need to be friendly and "understanding".
If we want to talk about my opinion on the matter, then here goes (this will be brief and to the point, so read carefully. I wouldn't want you to misconstrue my intentions or anything like that ).

English is, in fact, not the only language in the world. A visual representation of a simple abbreviation in one or two written languages is hardly worth discussing. When you've got something more substantial to whine about, I'll be here.

Your evaluation of my intelligence holds little significance when you clearly don't possess a great degree yourself. Perhaps you're keeping it a secret? I have a challenge for you: in your next reply, address my "personal attacks". Of course you don't need to explain your character to anyone, I just want to see if you can. Hmmm, it will be an X-Mas miracle.

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Jari
Can I move their? lol

crazy
Typical
If you think you are Mr. Perfect then you just messed up editing your post twice. Be humble, close your mouth, and open only for decent questions. Good luck

Lava
I will think good and assume that you didn't support the US invasion of Kosovo as many other Christians in the US did support it which their is a ethnic cleaning and killing of Christian Orthodox people now and is mostly Muslim controlled thanks to US intervention. Christian nation spreading Christianity by killing Christians and spreading non Christian views all over. Yeah that sounds about Christian.

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"The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery." Shaw "Hell is paved with good intentions, not with bad ones"
"Matthew 7 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"
My original game for GP32

By the way, if any of you want to know more about Christianity being compromised, Bill O'Reilly wrote a book on it called Culture Warrior, I never read it but I know what it's about and I know O'Reilly's key points by watching his show.

Personally I don't see what we can really do about it, other than voting and similar things, the Bible after all shows that things will get alot harder for Christians. I don't think we can do anything about it, there are alot of Christians in the world, but lets face it, we're out numbered and the world will be always be worldly.

I think the most important thing to do is for us to do is trust in the Lord.

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[This message has been edited by LAVA (edited December 20, 2006).]

After thinking a bit more, my opinion of you has changed for the better. (If you care to learn how and why, read on).

You bring information to this community from a perspective that most of us don't see often. I am usually absorbed in secular sources, and many here read nothing but "Christian" sources. It is a welcome balance to have your spin on things. I regret that I don't have any respect for you, and that you have none for me. We might have learned something.

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Christians bend over too much to loose people and let other religions dominate which hurts us and them. If people believe in chris then dont be afraid to say it. Some say it intentionaly like Crazyhorse just said xmas to be efiant and thats a good example to take from him to be defiant. Why should athiests, jews, muslims have guts? Where is the Christmas spirit in Christians where is their soul?

Just like that article about 6 year old pole dancer toys that Jewish people sell people should not buy from those stores since it goes obviously to non Christian actions. People vote with their money and not in the voting booths, as the saying goes money talks. People here try to encourage Christian game and programming communities and thats a good step. So where are the other people Christians? are they helping out secularists have a better site?

Crazy==
Should I respect you? If you were me how would you reply to yourself? It's not about respect it about taking it out in a fair manner. Did I start anything up with you or did you? Now honestly were you being fair and would you want others to always talk to you the way you talk to others?
I think this discussion is best for Off topic, don't you agree?

I hope you enjoy your Christmas Lava and Crazy.

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"The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery." Shaw "Hell is paved with good intentions, not with bad ones"
"Matthew 7 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven"
My original game for GP32