now I definitely agree, coding topics are few and far between. but let us ask ourselves, how bad is that? is the sole purpose of this site coding? no. it's a christian coders network. granted coding is in the name, but why do most of our members feel compelled to simply post about coding and the like?

I do definitely agree that some of the spamming and religious and political stuff should be for the spam and religious and political forums. but that is only the excess. I think perhaps we may have too many of those, but they shouldn't be eradicated, as some seem to think.

I know that every time I start a topic, I hope that it brings something to this forum. something new, something fresh. I want to share something important with the rest of you.

I know I used to be a *big* spammer. I hope that you can forget that and that you can see me as a member of this forum who is contributing, not just posting empty crap.

I hope that we can reach a happy medium, wherever that may be. If not, I hope that those of you who are disappointed with our current status give it a chance, see what happens.

I know I'm probably going to get a big argument about this one... go ahead.

Signing out,

Budd.
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I don't think we have a problem until the arguments bleed over into unrelated topics. Always funny to see two people fighting tooth-and-nail in one thread and then talking about music or whatever in the next.

Looking forward to future debates.

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Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

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This site has to add more things than just Christians programming only, it would be like Amazon only selling books, yahoo being a directory only, msn being only DOS, Nintendo making playing cards, etc. Yes Nintendo was known before 1970 for that, I think it was 1950, and now everyone can say yes in French Nintendo Wii Wii lol hmm I wonder if it will sell very well in France.

But you have to talk about everything to understand what is going on with everything. We can't make 1000000 Christian pacman and not see other options. If people can't talk about issues then how can they deal with life, or will they be protected all the time or cause unintentional harm?

Christian games should not be for Christians but for everyone. Just like Christ when he went not to the believes first but to the ones that did not believe him, and then thought the people that did believe to spread it out. As Christ said "first to the J.. then to the G..." which many do not understand and get it backwards

“, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Mark 2:17

Atheists seem far from help or close to dead, so the sick ones that can be saved seem to be the distorted Christians, but I can be wrong since many they might be harder to persuade to the truth than athiests lol.
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Is any Christian making a game for atheists, or for other Christian sects? I didn’t see that mentioned yet, maybe I missed it?

hmmm Somewhere in France maybe a person in a computer store asks the customer if they want anything else and they say Wii and the store guy says yes that will be $250, and the customer says not Nintendo I mean yes. I hope an American doesn’t ask to use the bathroom and asks wii wii, then that would be $500 :P Where is cheesestorme to show off the cheesy jokes. lol

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I hope an American doesn’t ask to use the bathroom and asks wii wii, then that would be $500 :P Where is cheesestorme to show off the cheesy jokes. lol

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Longer than that, Nintendo has been making playing cards since the 1800s, they are actually the oldest of all of the game companies, I think 2nd oldest would be Sega, they were making vending machines in the 50's or so.

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[B]In Japan, "X" means "wrong, bad" etc. The Xbox has done horribly over there. (probably for other reasons, but hey)

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Sega was founded in 1940, originally called Service Games, and made coin-operated games for military. changed their name to SEGA (SErvice GAmes of japan) in 1952 after they moved to japan (was originally an american company)

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But I prefer to use the other side of my brain (music, art, literature), personally, but I’ll at least read coding topics, then again I really don’t start many topics anywhere. I didn’t say I’m void of coding knowledge, more like completely burnt out after a six year full-time job of coding. Art and coding just isn’t the same thing, usually a person does good in one or the other since it’s two different sides of the brain. That of course is a matter of exercise for just like any other muscle in the body, and my other side of my brain is getting much stronger which I like, but I’ll still read your coding threads if you start them
Down with coding!!! lol j/k

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Crazyish, if you would be so kind, please edit the graphic out of your post. I'd rather not e-mail Mack and ask him to do it for you.

Arch, yeah, it sounds like a bit of a reaction to D and others criticism of Buddboy -- certainly. Are you saying that's a bad thing? It feels like almost everyone beats up on Warsong and criticizes him for not being open to criticism. But now that one of our other members is sincerely trying to take people's advice in order to mature, yet so many of those same voices make fun of him for it? Doesn't Proverbs talk about wise men listening to counsel? It feels like that's what Buddboy is trying to do, and that takes a decent amount of self-humbling to do on any level. That's rarely very easy to do, and so if nothing else I give him props for that.

Budd -- sounds good! I think threads like this can be good, but more than anything else I appreciate hearing you talk about where your heart is at with regards to this community. I appreciate how you care for the community here, how you recognize your own shortcomings, and are endeavoring to do better. I think that's what I got the most out of this post, even more than your intended discussion about the purpose of CCN.

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I know I used to be a *big* spammer. I hope that you can forget that and that you can see me as a member of this forum who is contributing, not just posting empty crap.

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Well, as long as you've still got that 2000+ post ticker under your name, I'm not sure how easily we can *forget* it. But I can certainly move past that and not hold hard feelings about it.

More than anything else, I really appreciate seeing some of your heart and your desire to grow. Thanks for talking.

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Are you even working on a game??

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I appreciate your post. I agree, that political and other discussion belong in their proper place but that they are a part of this forum. 'Cause I mean, if we only talked about coding, this forum would probably become fairly dead and unpopular, and for good reason.

I like it when there is a spirit of friendship on this forum, and friends don't usually talk about just one thing; they talk about all sorts of things that are on their minds.

I would like to add one further thing, though; while I think it's cool that a lot of us are focusing coding efforts on Christian games, I really don't think that such a narrow focus is necessary. It's CCN, not CGCN (Christian Game Coders Network). It's good to have a focal point for the community, but it's certainly not the only valid pursuit for a Christian coder. On the other hand, though, I realize that games are fun and cool to think about, and as I've found out from HanClinto, game programming is a great learning experience that can even help one's non-game coding efforts.

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it's pronounced "tonics"

Every forum will have General/Random Discussions and such but us geeks really shouldn't care about a lot of that. We should be drawing from the wealth of knowledge that is here. There are a lot of people here who really know there stuff and you have the perfect err forum to be able to pick their brains. Use it.

There has always been a huge emphasis on games, this is probably due to the fact that it's a new market and a fun/creative way to communicate the gospel. Once I leave Uni i'll be working on my own christian games project, and hope to draw on the wealth of knowledge here.

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it actually looks really good! It's got good and complex strategy available, but it's easy to pick up for new players. It's got variable-difficulty AI, and actually has a good amount of documentation written for it to introduce new players.

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I have a total different view on this though, I think that there should be more games that are Challenging to the mature Christian. I see to many companies set out to make games that everyone can play, such as Left Behind Games did, but wind up with something that really didn't hold my theological interest. They said in the beginning that they wanted to make a game that was not “preachy” and that non-believers could play, but obviously that is the rout many tend to go with the same results... bland.

I've already had people (Christians) tell me that I need to make a game that only has hints of Christianity in it so everyone will play, that I cant display bibles and use lots of scriptures, I'd just as soon drop my dev software in the can and torch it! :P

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I have a total different view on this though, I think that there should be more games that are Challenging to the mature Christian. I see to many companies set out to make games that everyone can play, such as Left Behind Games did, but wind up with something that really didn't hold my theological interest. They said in the beginning that they wanted to make a game that was not “preachy” and that non-believers could play, but obviously that is the rout many tend to go with the same results... bland.

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Yeah, I havent played that game but I too wish that Christian game developers would not just put a few verses in the game but base the whole game on God's word so that you wont be able to get the feeling of playing just some random game but a game that has spiritual uplift.

We do have Bible to read which we can read all we want but I still think that if you play games you could still keep God's word in mind and this is actually Biblical if you think that we are adviced to talk to each other with psalms and hymns (Eph 5:19) which encourages me to put more word in the game.

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I've already had people (Christians) tell me that I need to make a game that only has hints of Christianity in it so everyone will play, that I cant display bibles and use lots of scriptures, I'd just as soon drop my dev software in the can and torch it! :P

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I think the people who have said that just don't know what they are missing. I don't know why they said such, perhaps they don't read the Bible too much or they read it too much? I just hope that you wont let them discourage you nor make you forget what God has put on your heart.

God bless.

Btw, Did any one see my new topic post about hardware? It was supposed to be programming related but it may have been deleted.

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Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

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What I was trying to accomplish with this topic is exactly what has happened. we're all discussing this and giving our opinions. also I wanted to bring a point of view that hasn't really been expressed yet. up to now most people have been agreeing upon the fact that we don't have enough coding topics and that other topics have been very popular; too popular in some opinions.

yeah that does make it a little hard to forget Han =D Well, that's sort of what i meant. just kind of not hold any hard feelings and just see that i'm trying.

thank you tonnyx, i appreciate your post as well.

yeah, Warsong's game is pretty polished. I know from my experience it's hard to be working on a game and not tell anyone about it. of course he could be posting it elsewhere and we've just alienated him... haha.

yeah it was pretty hard to stop spamming. for a while there i just didn't want to hear it. but i stopped posting for just a little while. also school has helped me because I've been on less and less, so when I do get on I am only able to just post and leave.

um, Crazy didn't post. =P

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I was expecting something that either presents a problem or a solution; something that opens up, but the initial post jumped past all of that and went to buddboy explaining himself. perhaps I should have looked at it as some form of letter to ccn.
it honestly looks like it would fit better in the middle of a discussion then at the end. not only does it rely on issues and even accusations that were not presented here, but it serves more to close up a discussion that open one. It doesn't ask questions for us to think/discuss about nor does it provide us with information.
to that, I was referring.
I didn't see the purpose of this topic.
I made no judgment calls on whether he should or shouldn't have replied to D-SIPL.

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The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment
by C. S. Lewis

ok arch. i was simply offering my point of view on the subject. is that alright?

nobody (that I know of) had expressed this view since this topic has come up, so I wanted to say, 'hey, this is how I feel, anybody agree/think I have a point?'

maybe I wanted to explain myself.

then I stated something, saying that I hoped we reach a happy medium. This was something that I said, so that you could think about it.

The whole point of this topic was to bring up a point that perhaps all these other non-coding topics aren't so bad, and then to bring that point into discussion.

Signing off,

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actually he said it was inappropriate, too.

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He posted a second time an image he was told not to post. He has changed the content of this post now but he's still having pretty much same attitude.

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I guess they deemed it inappropriate. Regardless of the censorship of my beautiful image, I feel the same way.

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'As there are plants which will flourish only in mountain soil, so it appears that Mercy will flower only when it grows in the crannies of the rock of Justice; transplanted to the marshlands of mere Humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed, all the more dangerous because it is still called by the same name as the mountain variety.'
The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment
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you can explain yourself all you want, buddboy, I just wanted to know why the form of your post. if you want to take it personally, that's up to you.

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'As there are plants which will flourish only in mountain soil, so it appears that Mercy will flower only when it grows in the crannies of the rock of Justice; transplanted to the marshlands of mere Humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed, all the more dangerous because it is still called by the same name as the mountain variety.'
The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment
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He posted a second time an image he was told not to post. He has changed the content of this post now but he's still having pretty much same attitude.

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It seeems to me that he he was showing Buddboy what it was, because it seems like that Buddboy was wondering what he posted but didn't see it because the mods deleted it. And besides he took it the 2nd time down and he himself felt it was wrong, isn't that all that matters?

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It seeems to me that he he was showing Buddboy what it was, because it seems like that Buddboy was wondering what he posted but didn't see it because the mods deleted it. And besides he took it the 2nd time down and he himself felt it was wrong, isn't that all that matters?

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He was warned about that image yet he posted it second time. This is a public forum with some rules. If his intention was to show Buddboy what was in that picture he should have sent him a private message or email.

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'As there are plants which will flourish only in mountain soil, so it appears that Mercy will flower only when it grows in the crannies of the rock of Justice; transplanted to the marshlands of mere Humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed, all the more dangerous because it is still called by the same name as the mountain variety.'
The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment
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'As there are plants which will flourish only in mountain soil, so it appears that Mercy will flower only when it grows in the crannies of the rock of Justice; transplanted to the marshlands of mere Humanitarianism, it becomes a man-eating weed, all the more dangerous because it is still called by the same name as the mountain variety.'
The Humanitarian Theory of Punishment
by C. S. Lewis

I have seen worse posts, ALOT more, on here that never get deleted and they're serious.

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If lava's not making a big deal out of it I'm pretty sure it's not that bad.

calm down fearless. Yeah it has rules, but I'm sure it can't be that bad. Well, the mods did delete it... Crazy perhaps you could PM it to me?

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lol I still haven't seen it..

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it doesn't. unless some guy's attitude (over the internet) really has that kind of impact on your life.

honestly the image isn't offensive, just insulting. something I do on a regular basis.

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It's usually too bad to see tempers really fly, but I think some of the debates are fine.

I personally do not code much, but I still read through the stuff that people post, cus I wanna pick it up sometime soon, but Organic Chemistry isn't giving me much free time.

Well, so, let's revive it with positive attitudes and new ideas!

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Blind belief is dangerous. - Kenyan Proverb

Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. - Pablo Picasso

Thats like going to work. YOu can talk about work, but you just can't chill and hang out.

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I've had about enough of these threads.

Christian Coders Network is a collection of programmers and people who share the same faith. I myself am not a programmer; I couldn't code 'Hello World' if my life depended on it. The only reason why I'm here is that I stumbled on a group of brothers and sisters who have similar interests as me. I grew up here, like a couple of others and like a couple are right now.

This is a haven for us to chat about what we’re passionate about: God and programming. Programming can extend into different fields: general or specific software, it doesn’t matter if your coding a database or a game. I think it should also be a place where we can generally chat like a coffee lounge; not about work but about current events and things of interest.

Keep the spam in the ‘Girls’ thread. You want more programming threads? Make them. You want more general discussion threads? Make them. Some users are going that way and I’m glad to see that.

Have fun, get to know each other, have open discussions, share experiances and experiance but most of all: share brotherly love and friendship.

That is all.

Thread locked.

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