CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
Who all here is using Dapper? Who has upgraded to Edgy? I just switched from Gentoo to Dapper 5 days ago because I was fed up with vlc, xine, kde and some other system packages that, no matter what I did, I couldn't configure properly. Kubuntu's so simple... and now I'm lazier than ever.  ------------------ [This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited October 26, 2006).] |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
I think my wife (Tonnyx) has been using Dapper for a few weeks now, I don't think she's upgraded to Edgy yet. She switched to it from vanilla Debian (Sarge I think), and so far she's liking it for the most part. |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: *shakes head in disgust* ------------------ |
penny Member Posts: 101 From: Registered: 08-15-2006 |
I'm glad that ubuntu has made linux for dont-have-time-to-recompile-the-kernel-to-get-my-soundcard-working type people. I have used other distributions, and ubuntu is the only one I haven't had to spend a weekend tweaking to get it to work with all my hardware. So, kudos to (k)ubuntu. ------------------ [This message has been edited by penny (edited October 27, 2006).] |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Are you shaking your head in disgust at Gentoo, Kubuntu, apt, or me?
quote: Hahaha. ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
All 3. The thing that the majority of Linux users don't realise is that it's not meant to be a desktop os. It was never designed with that in mind, and is far to decentralised to ever be an effective desktop os. You have to grab X.Org from their, and this library from here, and that other component from that place and they are all managed individually. There are no standards and I don't think the future is looking very good at all. We'll see. ------------------ |
NetCog Member Posts: 149 From: Registered: 06-15-2006 |
quote: I think that's the idea behind Ubuntu and similar distros, to fix that decentralized environment. Or at least make it as invisible to casual user as possible. Actually I think it's getting to be a pretty good desktop. I've got it on my laptop and I have no complaints...other than needing to figure out how to VPN and RDP into a windows server... And while ActiveX doesn't work, I don't really think it should. If I need it, I'll go find a windows box, or get Wine or some virtualization up and running. Ultimately, the more people using Linux distros world-wide the more standardized programming will be needed and used (like PHP/Python/Perl, etc) or non-standards becoming standards somewhat like Flash. The progress of Ubuntu is a good thing. I probably won't go to Edgy quite yet. It would take redoing the configuration I've already done. Eventually I'll get a new computer, move Dapper to it (maybe) then Edgy to my laptop...or vice versa. In any case, I'm not sure I'd suggest Dapper (or Edgy) to business quite yet, at least not in the environment I manage. I've been eyeing SUSE 10.1, but not yet... The biggest thing right now is configurations. Having to use apt-get, aptitude, etc. The time to install, quick setting configure, and go is coming. The apt manager in Dapper is pretty darn neat, and would have cut a lot of time out if I knew it was there and how to use it before I scoured the net for apt-get commands. But on this I'm 100% in advocacy: Before anyone even thinks of upgrading to Vista, check Ubuntu or SUSE. The tools are there or nearly so to take almost all tasks over from Windows. That's for Business and that's especially if you've got a windows terminal server. For home user there's no reason why not to switch. |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: I think you lose a lot of freedom when you tie yourselves down to these distro's. There fairly/hugely bloated even with minimal installs. They have made it easier for those new to Linux. The problem is everything is X based and it's kind of taking away the one perk of Linux, freedom to configure and tinker. Your stuck with pre-compiled binaries and no config options (i have explained this loads on other posts) and then people using these distro's moan and moan about their linux box being slow, what do they expect? Linux gives you freedom and flexibility. Big distro's take/automate a lot of this for you. With it's decentralized development model this can only spell disaster. If someone codes a new format or concept and Linus don't like it, it doesn't get supported, so they write their own mod of the kernel and this is the problem. So development moves forward with people doing their own things and it's all left to one guy to decide if it goes in or not. I like to compile everything from source, i like to be able to decide exactly what goes in my system, i like the speed, i like the config options, i love the flexibility, after all this is why i use Linux. This is what Linux is to me (been using Slackware since 1995). Take that away and I might as well use Windows. meh everybody has there opinion, if it works for you, thats cool with me. ------------------ |
Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
D-sipl, I can appreciate a lot of the things you are saying (I won't quote them all back to you); however, being something of a power user, but not one who wants to compile from source or endlessly tweak/individualize, I like Debian and Ubuntu. I tried picking up Linux when I was in college (about 6 years ago), and it asked me too many questions that I didn't know the answers to, and there were too many times when something wasn't working and it turns out that the answer was something like, "well of course not, you have to go to the command prompt and type 'xyz --configure --jumpthroughhoops --easy-install=off', and then after that's done, then you run 'mnop --morehoops'. What? How was I supposed to find that out? Anyway, I started using Linux more recently because my windows machine died, and I had no funds for a new computer, and an old laptop was sitting around with Win98 on it. Obviously Win98 was not useful to me, so I tried Debian on it. It was overall pretty easy to get up and running. While I still need a Windows box to use Macromedia Studio and CoolEdit, pretty much everything else I need to do can be done on my Linux box, which I'm pretty happy about. I really like Evolution, gnuCash, gnumeric, and AbiWord, and Screem is fairly okay. I haven't used KDE much; I'm accustomed to Gnome although yesterday I just switched to xubuntu/xfce 6.06 (my first Linux laptop died, and now I'm trying to get up and running again on an even older computer, and Gnome is too bulky for it). It's pretty good, although what I really like about Gnome is that it has the Evolution tasklist integrated into it very nicely. So anyway, to answer the original post, I don't have plans for the near future to upgrade to 6.10. I'm a little tired of things that break (I had a horrible time trying to get ubuntu/xubuntu installed on this old machine which for some reason refuses to boot with Grub, among other issues), and if xubuntu 6.06 will work okay for me, I'm going to run with it for awhile. ------------------ |
steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: What percent of computer users could this possibly apply to? Pretty much only the hardcore Linux geek coders (I've been accused of this). I've done my share of linux hacking, but even now, I'd rather plug in a SuSE install DVD, click a few options and have a decently running system within the hour. In the past, I've spent hours, days, weeks, getting Linux "just right" by recompiling the kernel for my exact processor, and tweaking the heck out of everything. Now that I'm married, I'd rather spend my more precious free time working on projects that produce something to share, like video games, or music. ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: If you're refering to Gentoo, I completely agree.
quote: Yes. Edgy and Dapper are a little slower than Gentoo, but not so bad as Breezy was. Breezy pointed me toward Gentoo. However, I have faster ram (and more of it) now with Edgy than I did with Breezy and I overclock my CPU from 1.6Ghz to 2.02Ghz so that probably makes a bit of a difference too.
quote: That is the side effect of OSS. You don't have to obey the king.
quote: But there are other distros. And you can install more than 1 distro on a computer. Personally, I wouldn't use Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Debian for a webserver I would use Gentoo or Slackware. I'm also considering trying out Arch Linux and the new Slackware (I used 10.0 2 years ago), SUSE, and Linux From Scratch (the ultimate test, hehe) but right now I'm in the mood for simple and lazy. I supose for the geeks Ubuntu's not always your best bet, but for Grandma who doesn't care about kernels, let alone their mods, Ubuntu's pretty good. ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
(sorry, it's tonnyx on HanClinto's computer again) [This message has been edited by HanClinto (edited October 31, 2006).] |
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Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
quote: Are you calling me a Grandma? :-p j/k ------------------ |
Faith_Warrior Member Posts: 490 From: So.Cal. Registered: 09-05-2006 |
There is something other than Mandrake for the workstation?!? Nah, I don't believe you, there is only Mandrake... only Mandrake... Mandrake. Oh and yes, my sound card does work, it's surround sound and I've watched SW:Ep3 from an actual DVD on the same system  |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: HAHAHA! (I like gnome-sudoku, but to each grandma and youngster their own  )
quote: Ah yes. Mandriva/Mandrake. I should add it to my "To Try Out" Linux distro list. ------------------ |
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Faith_Warrior Member Posts: 490 From: So.Cal. Registered: 09-05-2006 |
quote: I hear Mandriva is actually slower, I'm still using Mandrake myself Mandrake was, of course, the first OS to actually support 64bit CPU's. |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: Not just Gentoo. Linux in general. Linux is a kernel, everything that goes on top makes a OS. The problem is, that everything that goes on top is managed by millions of seperate groups and this isn't neccessarily a good thing all the time.
quote: It still doesn't overcome the fact your using pre-compiled binaries. Your just running 486 packages really fast. I would rather compile for my arch. This is why we invest in new hardware right? To get the most out of it?
quote: But by not obeying "the king" you have the hassle of incompatibilities and more dependancies then ever. This can spell disaster when re-installing
quote: I think your missing the point. By installing more then one distro I would have to manage several different systems on one pc. I have a seperate webserver, email server and irc server. A seperate firewall and a development box, all of which i use simultaneously (using ssh). Like I said if I wanted a general all round purpose OS which takes away my flexibility I would toss Microsoft a couple of quid (bucks to you americans).
quote: Arch Linux is really nice. Slackware 11 is anything special, I would stick with 10.2, LFS isn't really that difficult, they have good documentation, although saying that I had a strange gcc compile error and when I looked it up on google i could only find Japanese sites related to that error!?!? We used LFS to create our distro which was cool. We had 4 different boxes with different archs to compile on  Anyways like I said before, if it works for you great. Continue what your doing. We use computers to get whatever job done we need. If what you use gets the job done, then thats good. It's a bit like driving a car, you guys have general family cars... I have a Porshe ------------------ |
