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Originally posted by Faith_Warrior:
What’s the most memory efficient version of Linux out of the box for a server, currently? Would that be SuSe? This is for a datacenter rental server so I cant build it myself, but I have a large choice among distro‘s. I hear SuSe can be run using ~160MB’s of RAM (winders over 200MB :P ). I’d like to use Fedora, but RH derivatives are not know for efficient use of memory from what I know. Anyone know of any comparison charts, maybe?

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Originally posted by steveth45:
Take any distro you want, and either use a very lightweight window manager (not KDE or Gnome) or no X at all.

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If I'm not wrong xbuntu is designed to be lightweight. I have it installed an older PC and I think it atleast starts up fast.

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Originally posted by jari:
If I'm not wrong xbuntu is designed to be lightweight. I have it installed an older PC and I think it atleast starts up fast.

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I personally think you would have a lot more control over what apps you want and what you dont want if you install Slackware.

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Sorry bout’ that.

As for Mandrake or Mandriva, that is what I use at home. Before I switched to that I ran RH for years. Topic still stands though, I can always find another company that offers the right distro. I may go with one of these here though since this company has the best dedicated server prices and this will be a test and development server. I’m co-locating later on so in that case anything goes as far as Linux distro, and I’m sure I’ll be compiling it all myself in that case. That will be more dependant on security no doubt, but memory efficiency will be on the list as well. Thanks!

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Originally posted by Faith_Warrior:
Ah, I should have checked the list, there are less choices than I thought originally, but more than most.
Fedora
Red Hat
Debian
SuSe
Gentoo
CentOS
Ubuntu

Sorry bout’ that.

As for Mandrake or Mandriva, that is what I use at home. Before I switched to that I ran RH for years. Topic still stands though, I can always find another company that offers the right distro. I may go with one of these here though since this company has the best dedicated server prices and this will be a test and development server. I’m co-locating later on so in that case anything goes as far as Linux distro, and I’m sure I’ll be compiling it all myself in that case. That will be more dependant on security no doubt, but memory efficiency will be on the list as well. Thanks!

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With all my servers I compile it myself. I'm still using the 2.4 kernel as well, i've seen no real benefits to moving to 2.6 so far. Security is obviously the main priority with servers so it's best to stick with stable well tested packages rather then the latest. Install all the security related patches as well.

The only thing i really can't stand is iptables, its so long and boring.

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"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!" -Adolf Hitler
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Originally posted by Faith_Warrior:
What’s the most memory efficient version of Linux out of the box for a server, currently? Would that be SuSe? This is for a datacenter rental server so I cant build it myself, but I have a large choice among distro‘s. I hear SuSe can be run using ~160MB’s of RAM (winders over 200MB :P ). I’d like to use Fedora, but RH derivatives are not know for efficient use of memory from what I know. Anyone know of any comparison charts, maybe?

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The smallest is a LFS which is 8MB of HD space and about 4MB B of RAM. But since you probably don't want that I'd suggest a bigger LFS or Gentoo.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
The smallest is a LFS which is 8MB of HD space and about 4MB B of RAM. But since you probably don't want that I'd suggest a bigger LFS or Gentoo.

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

Laz

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Originally posted by D-SIPL:
With all my servers I compile it myself.

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Is it difficult to compile everything your self? I know only how to compile individual apps using config and makefile scripts.

What would it take to install some distro using netinstall (bootdisk only) and compile all?
And can you give me the name of simplest linux to compile and setup?

I have tried this once with gentoo but didnt really get far, well maybe I compiled everything but apparently setting it up failed on my part.

If any one can answers to those questions it would save me a lot of time.

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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Originally posted by Lazarus:
Any version of SuSE, Red Hat, Caldera, Mandrake etc. versions 6.0 to 7.2 should run fine on it.

Laz

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

I think that in any case, what it comes down to is what you will want to run on that computer. If you are just going to run on command line than most any distribution should do fine in most cases, but once you start up a GUI than things will most likely slow down considerably. But yeah I agree, with any of the mainstream Linux distros you are going to have something more designed to be a high-end workstation all nice and bloated. In my case, what I’m doing this for, even shaving off 2MB from RAM is what I’m trying to get at, but sadly my distro choices are limited currently.

I think LFS looks pretty good, I’ve read over the documentation and have downloaded the Live CD to build it. I haven’t built one yet though but plan to do so pretty soon. I’m gong to revive a 500mhz homebuilt AMD system with 512MB RAM for this, should be interesting. Need to dig for a power supply first though, it was burnt. lol I have 5 cases sitting 10 feet from me all with burnt up PS’s. That’s what I get for powering down every night I guess.

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Originally posted by Faith_Warrior:

I think that in any case, what it comes down to is what you will want to run on that computer. If you are just going to run on command line than most any distribution should do fine in most cases, but once you start up a GUI than things will most likely slow down considerably. But yeah I agree, with any of the mainstream Linux distros you are going to have something more designed to be a high-end workstation all nice and bloated. In my case, what I’m doing this for, even shaving off 2MB from RAM is what I’m trying to get at, but sadly my distro choices are limited currently.

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Unfortunately, it needs GUI because I'm installing it for some people.
I am first testing debian because it is the only one that I got installing using only floppies and network and then if it lags badly I'll try vector linux and xubuntu. The claim in the vector linux's site that it's the fastest binary disto.
I will let you know then how it went.

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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Originally posted by jari:
For some reason I am not able to install vector linux because the boot disks doesnt seem to work on that combuter while they work on this one.
Then I tried debian which installed but after installing iceWM as window manager and trying to startx it just fails to start it because of the mouse driver. The log says that "dev/input/mice" doesnt exist or something like that even it does and I have tried psaux too but no good.
So I'm out of options for now, have to look for another distros.

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*whispers*Slackware

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"One World. One Web. One Program." -Microsoft promotional advertisement
"Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer!" -Adolf Hitler
"I believe in freedom... not freedom like America, freedom like a shopping cart"

D-SIPL: That's too complicated for me.

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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But I better just test it.

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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Originally posted by jari:
I need linux for 233mhz PC with 64mb ram, do you think there is anything that runs on it? It runs windows 98 alright.

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Anyway, here is one I've tested:
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

There are three versions you can download:
ISO to boot from CD/DVD/Flash
A version for computers older than 5 years old (for older BIOS)
And an embedded version that will run inside an M$ Winders window (when no doors available)

It is said to run on a 486 with 16MB on the low end and 128MB on the high end. It has lots of applications including firefox (1.6 I think it was when I looked) and has Dillo among a bunch of other apps. It's also modular so you can add in more applications. I haven't tried the embedded version yet, I found the ISO on a torrent so tried that first. It's Debian based. The base version is 50MB and runs a full GUI system with apps. They have larger built versions as well it looks.

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Ok, using firefox now, it takes much more time to load the webpages but pretty much every page should load and display properly now. I think this is fast enough if you have patiance to wait about 3-5 secs for page loads and if it doesnt eventually make the system run out of memory and froze.

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1Jo 2:9-10 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Joh 17:26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

[VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3)

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