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Lazarus

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I know many CCN members listen to rock music - Christian or other.

I've read articles by people who think rock music is bad. + There are satanic rock bands and things like that.
You never see satanic jazz bands, right?
Also, I've heard that listening to rock music at high volumes(is that an oxymoron? ) can ruin your eardrums.

So do you think it is good music to listen to? I'm not really sure.
And would you take Jesus to a rock concert?

Lazarus

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Rock music is great. These days though anything with a guitar is considred rock!?!?

I listen to a lot of Punk/Ska/Skacore music. You need to be wise and listen to the lyrics, do they build you up? What are they singing about? What is the bands history?

Everybody plays music loudly, yes it will damage your ears if you listen to it to high, but again use wisdom.

It's only religious people who turn round and say "Rock is satanic/bad". They are narrow minded. There is plenty of Christian Rock out there.

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Look at any modern music, and you can trace its history to a point where a very large group of religious people really hated it. (Often they still do). For example, D-SIPL listens to ska. Ska has roots in jazz and rock, right? Jazz was considered a lazy departure from proper form in music. Rock.. well I don't need to explain that as you've already brought up the typical arguments against it. Don't let somebody tell you an entire genre of music is bad.

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Max

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Come on, rock rocks... hehe.

I listen to 50s 60s and 70s. The old school rock, the good stuff. I remember when Elvis was taboo!!! Now Elvis is considered country?!!?!?!?

Elvis is the king of rock, not country.

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steveth45

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Originally posted by Lazarus:
I know many CCN members listen to rock music - Christian or other.

I've read articles by people who think rock music is bad. + There are satanic rock bands and things like that.
You never see satanic jazz bands, right?
Also, I've heard that listening to rock music at high volumes(is that an oxymoron? ) can ruin your eardrums.


I've read articles by people that think playing cards are evil, boxing and wrestling are evil, and that computers are evil. I think genres or subsets of music, like rock music, can be fashioned into something that glorifies God or blasphemes in the same way that other types of art and expression like oil paintings, poetry, and performance art can. Most rock music exists in a gray area and it all depends on being sensitive to what God wants for you at different times. I respect those that avoid all rock music out of conscience, and I respect those whose faith allows them to listen to much of it. As long as you are not violating your own conscience before God, or causing your brothers to stumble, it's fine.

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So do you think it is good music to listen to? I'm not really sure.
And would you take Jesus to a rock concert?

As a believer, I take Jesus with me everywhere I go. So, I have taken Jesus to numerous rock concerts. Sometimes, I have been at concerts where I felt like I needed to leave or step out while a certain band played because they had a spirit that was offensive to the Lord and I felt grieved. Other times, I've been at concerts where I felt a spirit of worship for the Lord coming from the stage and audience that pleased the Lord. These experiences have not had a one-to-one correlation with "secular" and "Christian" labeled bands.

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jestermax

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As long as the lyrics are good, i don't see the issue with rock music... people have been trying to ban music for centuries (mostly for political reasons). Most of the time now if people call rock music "the devil" then its just because it's not of their taste. There's a TON of christian rock groups that have better lyrics than some hymns sooo... figure that one out
Lazarus

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Well, thank you for all your answers. I had a feeling rock couldn't be as bad as I'd heard .

My next question... what in the world is Ska???

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jestermax

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it is some form of jamaican music where guys with play saxophones and wear blue boots dance around.
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For me it burns a little deeper than just the lyrics. You can try and make descisions about rock music on stuff like that with your head by reading the lyrics or whatnot, but it's usually also wise to listen with your spirit and ask the Holy Spirit what HE thinks, because he's the giver of all truth and won't lie to you or give you a view distorted by others or your own prerendered opinions.

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Music is in essence amoral. Music, for some reason though, has the power to sway your emotions. Often emotions can cause us to sin. So, for some, rock music is not profitable (1Co 6:12) Maybe I'm just getting too old, but metal just sounds like noise, and it drags my spirit down.

I'm not saying "Rock is evil and will rot your brain".
I am saying "Be careful what you listen to since music can sway the heart."


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jestermax

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@penny: i very much agree with that. Everyone gets mad at people who attack their favorite music (more recently governments attacking music saying it causes young people to be violent). But they do bring up half a point; heavier music can sway your thoughts to a darker side if thats all you listen to. If music didn't alter our moods then would we even listen to it?



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I agree with CCN member Penny that music sways people.
Read my post about music which will answer a lot of questions. I learned a lot form that post. It is always good to ask question. I know itís a long post so you can just read my points which some will disagree but hey itís my turn to reply and I say my side of the story.
http://www.christiancoders.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000856.html

You have to look at both sides of the story and see the good and bad to both sides and weigh what is most beneficial to your needs than your wants which would benefit you and be happy. As always you have to know the history of things and the purpose of why it was made, who made, it and so on. The root of all evil is money (also ignorance) and so we have to understand all the facts than just opinions.

Here is another site that says what kind of music is beneficial and shows evidence on how it is.
http://www.reversespins.com/health.html
They state that Classical or Byzantine (chanting) are the most beneficial physically, spiritually, emotionally, etc. Christ chanted and I can not imagine him not doing so and say Rock on. Lol Even the rocks starts are no role models and they are proud of the sins they do. As a few musicians said music is a political tool to get their views across and most of them donít have real talent but they do sell just like junk food does.

You can see the taste in music at the level of education rich and the lower class people had thought out the centuries, which the people that know music well appreciated it more are listen to the ďfine artsĒ or very wise religious people only listen to Chanting, while on the other spectrum people that are the masses listen to persuasive music which is not up to the standard kind of like how junk food is for the masses which could be considered rock, and then you have lower level music like Rap which are associated mostly with immoral people like former criminals singing it that talk about immoral acts.

Some people donít want to admit it and want to mix the bad with the good since they want equality so much that it becomes communistic, illogical, unrealistic sine they donít see the major differences. Remember use metaphors to compare, the bible is one big example of megaphones to help you answer other questions that it doesnít address directly.

Here are some quotes from the link I showed. =====
Here is one link how good music is good for you. But first you have to understand the source of how music was made and what kind of people they were. I posted about music but I didnít say much about it and many didnít want to listen.

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Some points from the site http://www.reversespins.com/health.html
"Of all the music we tested in medical school with patients, colleagues and others, Bach's (classical) music consistently made the brain work in a balanced way better than any other genre,""

"The power of music to affect memory is quite intriguing. Mozart's music and baroque music, with a 60 beats per minute beat pattern, activate the left and right brain. The simultaneous left and right brain action maximizes learning and retention of information. The information being studied activates the left brain while the music activates the right brain. Also, activities which engage both sides of the brain at the same time, such as playing an instrument or singing, causes the brain to be more capable of processing information."
(well the smartest kids in class were the ones that played classical music well.)

"chanting along with classical music reduces stress, anxiety and depression... memory and power of concentration are enhanced during one's life- time, [said] Dr Krishnamoorthy Srinivas, senior neurologist... 'It has been found that Indian children have more capacity to learn with better memory when brought up on Vedic chanting and music, than those those in western countries,' "

"According to a tube spokesman, the music is "an attempt to reduce stress levels" and "not primarily to discourage antisocial behaviour". But anecdotal evidence from other transport systems has shown that blasting a bit of Bach over the tannoy significantly reduces crime levels."

" Dogs are more relaxed and well-behaved when listening to classical music, rather than pop or heavy metal, according to a new behavioral study." (Thatís funny)

"Hard Rock or Heavy Metal music may be hazardous to one's health...University of Medicine in Brussels "

"researcher says drivers who listen to fast music in their cars may have more than twice as many accidents as those listening to slower tracks."

another site says
"Countless studies now show that listening to classical music is beneficial to young children...Ē

Classical and Chanting music use the Ancient Greek formula of the golden center (golden rectangle) It helped make the best art, architecture, poetry, music, etc and inspired all the great thinkers. Too bad society today ignores these points and doesnít use the proven method of the golden rectangle which you can read up about the theory online.

To be more Christian we have to be more refined, but society seem to give us quantity than quality we love and itís like junk food which we are hurt physically, mentally, and spiritually.

Keep being humble

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penny

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Be careful warsong of the shackles of legalism. What works for one does not automatically apply to the whole human race, especially when it come to emotions. We all have different drives that excite, motivate, depress, stress, etc.
For example, I love techno/electronica. I know that some people are tripping to this music and wasting there lives. I know a lot of it is trash. (I don't listen/support trash.) But I love the style, it excites me, the skips, bumps, hard punches especially with an funky twist. WOOT! Frankly, it sets a pace for my mind (60 bpm? more like 120, or 240)that I can really get in the zone and accomplish things.
On the flip-side, there are some classical pieces (heavy string movements) that just stress me out, and others that just put me to sleep. I actually listen to those...when I want to sleep.
I choose to listen to the music that is profitable to me and my goal of being conformed more to Christ. And He is concerned with our faith and obedience in our relationship with Him.
Don't get me wrong, I praise you for your conviction towards chanting and finding the roots of pure music.
Just please don't tell me that chanting will excite *me*.. because it doesn't.. it just puts me to sleep. (unless its chanting with a DnB track in the background )

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Well I think maybe we have to take a step back 50, 500, 2000, etc years ago to compare the impact and thinking behind it, since we are looking at it as an influenced society and are not thinking so neutral about it.
Obviously chanting will not excite since thatís not the purpose.
I know what you mean and agree but even you said that
"Music, for some reason though, has the power to sway your emotions. Often emotions can cause us to sin."

There was a quote by some experts that said the same thing in a way. Music moves the soul and mostly goes with a non Christian way. God should only move the soul since he is the right path.

As one priest said something like
"Pleasure is hedonism of body, from the senses, and soul from music... are not joyful like from fine arts that are from God." I would guess some people will be confused with pleasure and joy which pleasure is an extreme type of joy in Christian terms which is considered hedonism.

"Music refines the person, disciplines, and fine tune in what is good music to also help the personís health and soul, and calm the person unlike those musical events that destroy the stadium which shows they are in decadence."

"Modern music is inspired by satanic violent tribes, while Byzantine music is like the ancient Greek measures and scales (golden center) to also inspired the Greek languageĒ also considered to be the inspired word of God to be the official NT.

Everything to moderation as the ancient Greeks said which they also said, music was originally to refine people to be better but now the use of music has been distorted again.
Even the world leisure time to them was used to better one self and learn but now it's to waste time.

"For changing people's manners and altering their customs, there is nothing better than music" (Shu Ching, 6th. Century BC).
An example can be this
"On the other hand, contemporary music like rock and roll - particularly "heavy metal" - creates the exact opposite effect on the listener: quiet people are driven to violence, rage and malice. Rock and roll appeared approximately 40 years ago. Over this period, the development of this music headed more and more toward sexual lust. David Gergen characterizes this evolution in the following way: "The difference between the music of yesterday and that of today is the leap one makes from swimming in Sports Illustrated to the centerfolds of Hustler" (USA Today, Oct. 11 1985)."

Just a thought

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crazyishone

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Originally posted by penny:

For example, I love techno/electronica. I know that some people are tripping to this music and wasting there lives. I know a lot of it is trash. (I don't listen/support trash.) But I love the style, it excites me, the skips, bumps, hard punches especially with an funky twist. WOOT! Frankly, it sets a pace for my mind (60 bpm? more like 120, or 240)that I can really get in the zone and accomplish things.

I know exactly what you mean! I listen to metal and some other stuff because I like the sound, but I absolutely love electronica. DnB w/ exceptionally high BPM, I like. Slower DnB isnt really my style. I love Trance. Just started listening to Gao-Psy trance as well.

I listen to electronica just because I like it, but also when I need to get alot of work done. (Or sometimes I just get alot of work done when I am listening to it.... seems like the same thing, but theres a difference in circumstances).

I also type/write faster when listening to electronica.

Wish I could listen to it at school.

I'd go to raves, but its been shown that 85-90% of rave-goers have used ecstasy or some other rec. drug at least once. And I have a somewhat addictive personality....so... Can't afford that habit.

But anyway Warsong and penny, I fully agree with you on the point that music sways peoples' emotions. I think the line is drawn at emotions though. Metal may put people in more aggresive moods (not in all cases of course), but it doesn't make them more physically violent. That is a totally different issue within the individual.

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steveth45

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I like metal, but I here it can cause lung infections.

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jestermax

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if you like heavier rock then check out Disciple. i just bought their cd (yes, i bought a cd). i liked a few songs from them but now i think they're awesome . And their cd has a dvd on the back of it, lol. score!