Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
NOOO!!! WHAT THE HECK, DUDE! (sorry for the caps) I just found out that the U.S. cancelled the contract for the XM8 in October of 2005!! [info here: [urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM8[/url] ] That was the coolest gun ever, and the M16/M4 series is definently aging... Gaa! I can't belive it, the XM8 looked super promising!! Check out the link, super customisable, sleek, strong, GRRR! I just can't belive it...
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Perhaps they felt it was too "fancy" to be issuing to the everyday soldier. By fancy I mean expensive. Are the features really worth the cost when an M-16 fires just as well? I'm not saying theres no place for it in our military at all, but it won't replace the M-16. Modularity just isn't a necessity to anybody but special ops. (But it is a very cool gun. I'd buy one if it was legal...) ------------------ [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited July 12, 2006).] |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
You mean an M4? M16's arn't used all that often anymore, there quite a bit bigger than the M4 carbine, and the carbine has a collapsable stock too. I think the XM8 alos had more accuracy than the M4, though maybe just a little, since the M4 is a more recent mod of the M16 ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! P.S. I HATE 640x480!!!!!! |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
No, I meant M-16(Models M-16A2 through M-16A4 are used today). The M16A4 is the standard issue weapon. The M4(speaking of the M4 and the M4A1) is, once again, a "special purpose" firearm, primarily used by "special ops" units in urban situations.(whether that be army rangers, delta, etc). Did you think the M-16 had been completely replaced by the m-4? I thought you knew this stuff man...
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
The M4 has been used a lot over in Iraq and Afghanistan, altho' most regular infantry do use M16A4 rifles. The main troops that use it are the Special Forces people like USSOCOM and the U.S Army SF. The Air Force is planning to start using M4's as it's main weapon, last I heard, and it also replaced the M3 gun tank crews used to use. RM is right that M16 and M16A2 models aren't used much anymore by the U.S, altho' they are still used by many other countries(If that's what he meant). The M4 had a slightly longer barrel, which would have made it more accurate, I haven't heard whether it really was though. It's a shame they cancelled it, especially after spending all that money... Lazarus |
jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
i'm 99% sure that some civilian forces such as SWAT still use earlier models of the M16 rifle. They can't always get enough funding to afford the newest and best. The XM8 WAS very nice looking and offered a lot but again, it comes down to money and how much better it is to have money then a bunch of soldiers with nice guns. Check out the C-8  Canadians have rockin' cool weapons, lol |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
Wait.... Laz, did you say the M-4 replaced the M3 that tank crews used??? Are we talking about the M3 Greasegun here???? That should've been replaced a LONNNNNGGG time ago. i figured they'd at least have some form of MP5/9mm |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
Sorry to post 3 times in a row here (firearms are one of my standard research topics).what is the standard sidearm in the US army now? SWAT doesn't use any ONE pistol all the time but does the army? |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
The Beretta M9 is the standard issue sidearm now. For years before that it was variants of the Colt .45, the earliest being the 1911 model. ------------------ |
CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Yes I agree to everything you said, Crazy. Although I scream and yell at old things (when new things would work much better) I realize that most people don't need the new things... the question is, what could the army do better with the XM8 than they do now?
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Holy crap its a nother 30-pager in the proceess! Lol. And i get most of my M4 usage knowledge from Iraq, where all the Marines are. I havn't sudied up on the Army, (being that the marines are my goal) And i know that the M16 is still in use, i just thought it wasn't a standard weapon. I also know that some SWAT teams used modified M16/M4's with 9mm ammunition, but i don['t think they all do. Guns are so cool. ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! P.S. I HATE 640x480!!!!!! |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
the 9mm M4 series is more experimental i thought, or modified for actual civilians. i'm not sure of my facts in that area tho. the problem with the XM8 is that theres becoming less and less of a point to full scale army warefare. now they just use missiles for most targets and tanks for otheres. i'm not saying that the US army DOESN'T send in troops but its not nearly as much as they used to. the XM8 was supposed to replace a lot of weapons actually. they had attachments to turn it into a short carbine, a sniper rifle, a light machine gun, etc. actually they had a separate XM model to replace the M249 SAW, i wonder what the status of that one is. |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
I like the idea of going from a sniper rifle and automatic rifle with just by taking a module off  ------------------ |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
it makes it a lot easier to manufacture different weapons if all you need to do is make a plug-in. changing the entire objective of your gun (from close quarters combat to support fire) would be as easy as adding an attachment to your gun |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
That was what was so cool about it! Trooper 1: Awww crud. he got a way! Trooper 2: Quick change it! Trooper 1: *changing* Trooper 1: Done! *pow pow!!* Trooper 2: Incomeing aircraft, change to heat seaking missile! Trooper 1: It can't DO that! Trooper 2: *graps XM8 and throws it at the heli* Trooper 2: What, It didn't even hit it! Seesh, this gun isn't finished yet! Trooper 1: *Anime Anger, you know, the wierd thingy on the side of their head* Heli Guy: Concact! Idiots *blows them up* ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! P.S. I HATE 640x480!!!!!! |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
are they still going with their other "modular weapon system"? i forget the name but its in the game Ghost Recon 2 in lone wolf mode (airburst grenades, laser targetter and built in camera for looking around corners) |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Airburst... yeah, i think those are in use... i saw something about it when researching personel grenade launchers. Those things are tight.. Integrated cameras... not so sure about them. laser targeters... Yes, im quite certain those are In use. they have 'em in Battlefield 2 (weak evidence) And i did see something about them while researching weapons (stronger evidence)... ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! P.S. I HATE 640x480!!!!!! |
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Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Are you referring to this, jestermax? : LAND WARRIOR - INTEGRATED MODULAR FIGHTING SYSTEM Btw, about the M3 tank crew gun, yes; it is what's affectionately(and not And replacing it with an MP5 variant would have been real expensive, H&K charges plenty for those babies. But they are one sweet weapon to shoot The 1911 style .45 pistol was used by the Army for a long time, and then they dumped it in favor of that puny 9mm Beretta M9, what a piece of junk! Laser sights? That's something a lot of civilian weapons have too. If you want to see a really cool weapon, head down to Israel and take a look at a Galil rifle. It's available for civilians if you want one, only semi-auto tho'(I hate the BATF Here's a link to info on Galil rifles: Lazarus |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
the weapon system i'm thinking of is actually all built into one gun, it has a bunch of different parts to it but it has a semi auto airburst launcher, a built in target designator and a camera on the top of it so soldiers can shoot around corners. Look it up in Ghost Recon 2 (its an actual gun as well) That is horrible, that tank crews still used the grease gun, lol. i've heard too many stories that it jammed at bad times. but whatever, its gone now. The switch to a smaller caliber allowed more shots and therefore less magazine changes with likely an equal weight. So thats probably why they switched. and also i think the M9 is easier to attach things to. but i'm not sure about that. Yeah, the galil is like a knockoff of the Kalashnakov (AK-47). Actually i use it sometimes in CounterStrike lol. i don't know much about it though, however things like semi-auto guns for civilians is pointless because someone that knows what their doing can just modify it anyways to be full auto. just look at the Glock 18 (the gun used my Morpheus in the second matrix movie), a LOT of people just mod it to be full auto. and same with the AR-15 (the civilian M-16 with semi-auto). |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
oh, i think this is it: http://world.guns.ru/assault/as72-e.htm The AICW (Advanced Infantry Combat Weapon), an auzzi gun which right now looks to me like the Steyer Aug rifle.... |
Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
I think putting the combat integration system in the gun would be far wiser. On the suit idea they put the com equipment on the helmet, which is probably the spot most likely to get hit by shrapnel, falling debri, and enemy fire. Ballistic protection and sensitive communications equipment don't really go together  .------------------ Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently He thought it worth the risk. Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: What! You too? I thought I was the only one. |
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jestermax Member Posts: 1064 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: 06-21-2006 |
i think they generally detach the gear from their helmet unless they need it but i see the point and i agree with you. i kinda like the fold down HUD built into the helmet though, makes it seem like the US army is actually putting their research money to use. |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
that Micro Galil looks awesome =D ------------------ RADIOACTIVE IE AHEAD! int name() |
), and it's heavy and expensive(the 7.62mm one anyway), but well worth it.
