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O Tim O
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Hi,
I was looking in one of your forums today about MMORPG makers and i need a little help. I have tried eclipse but, too many errors+made by "God created death productions" arn't we christians here? I have been looking at Worldforge but i don't know if 1 person can make a game and get it running without alot of work. (Has awesome graphics though )
I'm looking for a maker that can make a game without any programming, without alot of work,not many errors/none and i suppose has fairly good graphics. Thanks guys, hope you can help.
Cheers,
-Tim
HanClinto

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Howdy, Tim! First off, let me give you a hearty welcome to CCN! We're happy to see you here.

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Originally posted by O Tim O:
Hi,
I was looking in one of your forums today about MMORPG makers and i need a little help. I have tried eclipse but, too many errors+made by "God created death productions" arn't we christians here?


Most people here are Christians, but certainly not all of us. There is a self-proclaimed Atheist or two, and people within the church from just about every group I can think of, Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, even a Mormon or two have shown up here over the past couple years that I've been here. It's a pretty diverse mix, and so while most of us proclaim to be Christians here (I certainly do), it's not something that one can blanketly assume. But yeah, it's a forum *primarily* for Christians, (though most of us really enjoy having the other people around too -- it certainly can lead to some lively discussion at times. ).

Sorry for the long explanation, I hope I didn't overwhelm you, but I just wanted to explain how it is here.

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Originally posted by O Tim O:
I have been looking at Worldforge but i don't know if 1 person can make a game and get it running without alot of work. (Has awesome graphics though )


Yeah, it's extremely hard for any one person to make any kind of game that is fun. Pretty much for every 1 hour of quests/gameplay that you want your players to enjoy, I would say a good rule of thumb would be around 10 man-hours to write, impelement, test, and refine that quest/level (unless you're going to make "kill 100 rats" kinds of quests, but since when were endless series of those kinds of quests ever fun?). So you can download and play with quests that other people have made, but then did you really make that game, or are you just running a server that someone else built?

That's one reason why so many people have joined together here on CCN to work on projects together -- because very rarely has one person made a game of any note all by themselves (Pixel would be one notable exception, but he is exactly that -- an exception). So some one of my biggest pieces of advice to budding game designers is to *start with a reasonable chunk*. Start small -- whether it is with making Pong, or if you want to work on a larger project, to write a few quests as part of a larger project that other people are already working on and are going somewhere with. If you're interested in MMORPGs, the two that I would recommend are Voice of His Word that Jari here on CCN has been working on for a while (by himself I might add -- but he's put in a *ton* of work and has made some wonderful progress), and another effort that I would recommend checking out is Visions -- it has a much larger development base than VoHW (around 20-30 I think), and still has room and need for everyone from graphical artists to quest-writers. Both are Christian-based MMORPGs, both have made significant progress in the past year, and both could use help.

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Originally posted by O Tim O:
I'm looking for a maker that can make a game without any programming, without alot of work,not many errors/none and i suppose has fairly good graphics.


If your goal is to make an MMO without much effort -- I'm honestly not sure that's a real possibility. I've only seen one game creator that honestly looked like it could quickly and easily create a somewhat unique game without much effort, and that was a FPS creator -- but even that requires effort if you want to make something that hasn't already been done 100 times before (and so would be interesting to play). Playing games is easy -- but think about it -- if even running a successful guild (or for that matter, even organizing a successful *raid*) takes work -- how much more so would it take effort to design and build a game? It's almost never "easy" to design and build games, especially not MMORPGs -- those are some of the most complex games to build nowadays. If you've never created a game before, as a Christian brother, I *highly* recommend that you step back, reconsider, and start small -- even overly small, and work up from there.

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Originally posted by O Tim O:
Thanks guys, hope you can help.


I hope I've been of some help. I know I didn't answer the question you asked, but I hope I've given you some stuff that you can chew on. Please keep us posted with what you find and what you decide to do.

Cheers!

In Christ,
clint

O Tim O
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Thanks Clint,
I have made a few games before, (Not MMORPG) so i have some experience. When i say not much effort i mean like not 50hours. I am fine with putting in a little effort lol
So thanks for that. I hope i can make a good game with one of those programs. I'm going to check them out now.
Cheers
-Tim
Oh and worldforge is 3d right? I've read like their whole webpage...Is it for individuals to make games or to help <i>them</i> make a game?
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What about something like Realm Crafter?

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buddboy

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hey O Tim O, BYOND is great for MMORPGs if you don't mind having 2D tile graphics. =D lol. http://developer.byond.com/start/ that's an explanation of what it is.

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O Tim O
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Thanks Guys,
But is Realm Crafter free? and easy to use?
O Tim O
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THE CONCLUSION
I have throughly looked through all those programs. I think i might help out "voice of his word" but i would also like a MMORPG game i could gradually make myself. A game that requires no programming, easy to get running and free.

"World Forge" had taken my intrest but is it hard to use and get up and running?

I have been told "playerworlds" is good but i can't seem to get onto their website.

"Byond" also looks good but i think you need programming knoledge.

"Realm Crafter" isn't free so i can't use that.

So if anyone knows the ideal program for me...that would be awesome if you told me.
Thanks again.

buddboy

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BYOND is great, you need to learn the language. but i can do a fully graphical maze game in 20 mins once i learn how to. and the language is really easy to learn. if you're not willing/able to learn this, then game programming is not for you. unless it's because you don't like tile-based gfx. he he. lol.

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O Tim O
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Thanks man,
If i need some help with it would you lend a hand? Just tell me how do things if i don't know.
O Tim O
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Does anyone know what http://kronia.net/ was made with?
HanClinto

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You'd have to check in the forums over there to be sure, but considering their bug/feature history, and the "Programmed by Bradyok" on the screenshots, I'm going to guess that it was custom-coded for that game. No idea what it was coded in though.
buddboy

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i would love to help... are you considering it then?

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JeTSpice
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BTW, Death is under God's control, but man brought death upon himself when he sinned. God did not create death, rather man rejected life.
buddboy

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wha?

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ArchAngel

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Eclipse(not the IDE) is not made by "God created Death productions."
it's made by "Touch of Death productions."
http://www.touchofdeathproductions.com/

I'm actually gonna check it out. looks kinda cool.
might be buggy... we'll see.

frankly, Tim, your asking for a lot. if you don't want to do alot of work and coding, you're going to get a cookie-cutter game.
and from what I found, even if it looks like you wouldn't need to do much work, you will. trust me. just like every software project, you're going to put in a lot more effort than you originally plan.
now, these "easy" engines are around for a lot of genres; I spent much of my time looking for them. however, trying to find one for mmorpgs is a bit harder.
these "easy" engines do require alot of work, and the games they output are pretty mundane and preset. you aren't really making your own game.

I'm gonna be blunt here, if you don't want to do alot of work, don't bother. I say this out of personal experience. You're wasting your time.

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buddboy

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exactly. BYOND, however, is really easy. and it's got power, despite some of the lowtech stuff like it can only do 2D. but that's pretty much the only drawback. that and it needs the software to run as far as i can tell.

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O Tim O
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So Buddy,
Does Byond require programming skills?
(To everyone that says it will require alot of work, im prepared to do alot now.)

O Tim O
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Playerworlds looks pretty good though. I might use that.
What are the features in Byond? Can you trade?
O Tim O
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Archangle...Eclipse...really buggy!!!
ArchAngel

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yeah, I'll see how it runs on my computer.
it probably is buggy, but I'm not spending a cent on it.

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JeTSpice
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O Tim o, I'm re-affirming ArchAngel's and HanClinto's stance. I just got Torque2D, which is great and a person can make a game with it. But to do anything original, I'm going to have to do some scripting. Make yourself a design document which is just a bunch of details about all the aspects of the game (I'll email you one if you want, so you can see what details it talks about). Then you can join with a technically-skilled person--a programmer or scripter or somebody--like buddboy--and use whatever engine is best for your game, according to your design document. And then you get an artist and off you go. But before you start working on the big game, do a little game first so everybody gets to know how to work as a team, and you figure out all the pitfalls, and it doesn't really matter because it's just a little game. Make the little game kindof like the big game, so you everything you use in the little game can be used in the big game.
buddboy

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ok sorry O Tim o, i was gone for a few days. you need somewhat of programming skills. BYOND has its own language and a plethora of tutorials, so it is in fact a good way to start. it is basically an engine, because you do the graphics inside the IDE/engine, and you create the maps there too. it's all 2D, so that is one drawback. features? here's a link to a good page that tells all about the features depending on what kind of a game you want.

http://developer.byond.com/start/

BTW the one you'll probably be looking at is the RPG/MUD one.

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O Tim O
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Thanks Jetspice and buddy,
But i don't any scripting or programming skills. This is basically what i want in my game:
Be able to walk around, talk, trade items, buy houses, make items;mine,smith, fish, fight, sail in ships and do a few more things.

Why can't MMORPG games be created like RM2K?!!! (Rpg maker 2000) no programming skills, do lots of things.

ArchAngel

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er...RM2K doesn't let you do alot of things.
it's pretty cookie cutter. I can smell a rm2k game a mile away.


although, I must say, I usually enjoy them.

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O Tim O
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Thanks for all your help guys,
I think im gonna go with Playerworlds...looks promising. Easy to use and looks easy to get up and running...

Has anyone skilled in PW and would be able to help with a few questions?

O Tim O
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Ok, well you can't do all that much in PW. Can you paperdoll in Byond Buddboy? Like when you equip a sword it appears up on your sprite?
O Tim O
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Ok, I've decided to download Byond. So i might need some help Buddboy. (Sorry for calling you buddy in the other posts, misread)
O Tim O
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Well, no body is replying so ill just say I found Playerworlds and it looks like the best for me. Thankyou for all those who helped.
HanClinto

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Glad to hear you found something that you seem to like. I hope it works out well for you!

--clint