CertOrdin Junior Member Posts: 2 From: Registered: 06-17-2004 |
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17834 I dont know anything about worldnetdaily but this came up when i was looking up something totally unrelated. Its very scary sounding. Quite Tribuation peroid sounding stuff. We maybe very close the coming of Jesus. CO |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Wow.. I remember Glenn Beck talking about that last year. He was joking around making a fake advertisment, bringing out all the satanic things he could make up (version 6.66 and stuff like that) And then he would keep saying things like "This is NOT the mark of the beast!" I only read the first part, but thats enough for me. I just hope it dosent move on very far very fast.. I still have alot to do down here! Sometimes I hope I get to stay here, and catch up after bringing people in. But then agian the Bible doesent ever say that its a pre-trib rapture... I just wanna be able to help people out during that time. ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
haha, I had to write a paper on that. and... I referenced that article too. lol. man, it comes back to haunt me.
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
It dosent seem like it.. but imagine what could come of it. I dont see anything wrong with it now, its actualy a neat idea, but it is matching up a bit. At the moment its definatly not a mark of any kind, but its quite possible that could happen. Illegal aliens can come into the USA, then be given citizenship, and not having to pay taxes. On the other hand, Legals could go to prison for doing things illegals get away with. If the government can get away with that, why not force everyone to use a chip for money information? At Best Buy cant you buy stuff with your membership card? I may be wrong.. But if thats the case, it would be very possible to use a chip in your wrist (yes, thats where they put it) to buy stuff with. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Goop2 (edited June 01, 2006).] |
Tonnyx Member Posts: 140 From: Indiana, USA Registered: 08-02-2005 |
I don't really like the idea of an implanted chip, but that has more to do with my opinions on privacy than on eschatology. A friend of mine pointed out that the whole "mark of the beast" thing is not all that important in and of itself. The thing to worry about is whether one worships the beast or the living God. Being a Christian, and one who worships the true and living God, and him alone, the other stuff is not what we should be worried about. I thought that was an interesting point. I'd like to also point out something else: I haven't really studied Revelation in depth, but I noticed something the last time I read through Exodus. In chapter 13, the Israelites are told twice that observing the Passover "will be like a sign on your hand and a symbol on your forehead", a reminder that the law of the Lord is to be on your lips, and a reminder that the Lord brought them out of Egypt with his mighty hand. Deuteronomy also talks about tying God's word as symbols on your hand and forehead in conjunction with keeping his word fixed in our hearts and minds. As far as I know, those are the only three books that talk about symbols or marks on one's hand & forehead. I am guessing, therefore, that we should understand Revelation in the context of Exodus & Deuteronomy: that something more figurative than literal may be in view (although I realize that some Jews interpret the passages literally, and wear phylacteries). How one "forces" people to take the mark, as Revelation states, I don't know. <totally irresponsible speculation>Who knows? Forcing kids to go to government-run schools wherein kids grow up indoctrinated with atheism or paganism? (hold on, that sounds like certain Communist countries)</speculation> That may not be specifically what's in view at all, but I suspect that it's something more subtle than we might normally think. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tonnyx (edited June 05, 2006).] |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: yeah..like the the next gen iPod!!! If you flip the 'p' around in ipod, you get -> igod!! YIKES!! Everyone is going to fall for this, be carefull!!! seriously, I make a joke but to think of a time (maybe in our lifetime) were we must choose between taking a 'mark' that indicates in some why our rejection of Christ, whatever form this might be, - or starving or seeing our kids starve and being hunted like criminals is definitely NO JOKE! scary! |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
um... you catch them, take hold of their arm/head, and go *kachunk* and put it in. lol. ------------------ |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Lol, i read about that stuff in Cosumer (spell check) reports! (of all things for a 14 yr. old to read!) and if so, then its so. ITs bound to happen sometime, but lets not worry untill we know forsure (Not like, God;s not coming so lets do bad stuff worry, but say-the-government-is-satanic worry) ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! P.S. I HATE 640x480!!!!!! |
RA Games Member Posts: 93 From: Sacramento, Ca., USA Registered: 05-22-2006 |
"Big Brother gets under your skin" Yes, yes yes! , Ahaa!!! This type of technology is absolutely perfect for those who choose to disobey Allah and the false prophet yet to come from europe. Yes, we can monitor those who disobey the prophet, and then kill them. What would old Ayatolla Khomeni say? ------------------ [This message has been edited by RA Games (edited June 05, 2006).] [This message has been edited by RA Games (edited June 05, 2006).] |
Thegpfury Member Posts: 53 From: Registered: 03-23-2006 |
Whoever said that the mark of the beast would be a computer chip? Every generation has its own idea of what one would be... It could be something as simple as a tatoo, or something as complex as a chip. I wouldn't worry until we see a definite antichrist figure ruling most of the world saying we have to take this chip. Besides, as a pre-trib, I won't be here for that, so bring it on. ------------------ [This message has been edited by thegpfury (edited June 05, 2006).] |
luke Member Posts: 311 From: I use your computer as my second Linux box Registered: 10-30-2005 |
Well, my position on privacy is this: its OK if a responsible entity (ie the Government) has data like your location, vital signs, etc. The catch is that the Government shouldn't be able to access any of it. Hospitals only should be able to access your vital signs and well search n rescue your GPS. This is a somewhat simple and probably nieve example, so don't go around saying I support Big Brother please. =D ------------------ |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: ..or a underskin microchip wafer w/ an rf antenna tattoo, like this(3 spiralling 6's would probably make a good antenna layout)... |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: Whoever said it wouldent be permenant marker? xD The antichrist wont be as easy to pick out as that. ALTHOUGH I wouldent take that chip anyway. Or do anything Im forced to with everyone for that matter. (atleast when it comes to apearance related things ) Who says the mark isnt a shirt, or a hairstyle? And as an anti pre-trib, I think Ill look out for such things, and keep my life straightened out. The Bible says nothing about timing of the rapture, although by what Ive read, I would have to asume its NOT the popular "pre-trib" belief (Thats ok, I wanna be able to help new christians in those tough times) ------------------ [This message has been edited by Goop2 (edited June 06, 2006).] |
Simon_Templar Member Posts: 330 From: Eau Claire, WI USA Registered: 10-25-2004 |
#1 I don't think the government is a resonponsible entity #2 the government, if it gains too much power (which it is/has) is the greatest threat there is to the freedom of the people. #3 hopefully this won't pissoff too many people, but the pre-trib rapture is a bad teaching resulting from taking scriptures grossly out of context. ------------------ |
Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Yes, I agree with S_T, where in the Bible does it say anything about a rapture? Some Christians think the Tribulation has already happened, or that it is happening right now, as well. If you ask me, it was mostly created so people could write best-sellers about it and make a ton of money . Lazarus ------------------ |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) Many Christians describe this with the term 'rapture'
rap·ture ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rpchr) n. |
Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Yes, but most people including some Christians tend to think of the "Rapture" as some mysterious world event where all the Christians disappear. That verse would contradict the approach above. But in the context it is there, I think yes, there will be a rapture. Lazarus |
nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of the dead who were believers being raised to life and also those living who are believers all joining Christ as he returns to this earth to do all the things spoken of in Revelation. If this is the "Rapture" so many people have come to believe in, then there has to be a second return of Christ to Heaven *and* a third return of Christ to this earth. Remember that Revelation also tells us that Christ will reign from the New Jerusalem. If Christ is coming to get us and takes us to Heaven to escape the "Tribulation" then he has to come back to earth again to establish His reign, right? So where in scripture is this second ascension to Heaven and this third return of Christ to earth prophecied? Also, we have plenty of examples of the "Tribulation" throughout scripture, but what basis is there in scripture for the "Rapture" - of God removing all his followers from going through a period of trial and tribulation? One short passage of scripture is hardly enough to build a solid theological conclusion on. Forgive me if I come across arrogant, but I try to apply 2 Timothy 3:16 to every so-called biblical concept when I evaluate all the religious philosophies that exist or come to exist. I firmly believe that all of scripture works together and build my faith in that way. [This message has been edited by nfektious (edited June 07, 2006).] |
Lazarus Member Posts: 1668 From: USA Registered: 06-06-2006 |
Isn't the New Jerusalem going to be in heaven? Jesus said that His kingdom was not of this realm, where do you get that He will reign in some New Jerusalem on earth? |
nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
New Jerusalem: Refer to Revelation 3 and Revelation 21. Yes, Christ did say that his kingdom was not of this earth. But what was the context of him saying that? |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
The new Jeruselem is going to be on the new Earth I think.. Im not sure weather this earth is gonna be replaced, or if the new earth is talking about heaven. In revelations it talks about the dead going to a new place to watch whats happening on earth during the 7 seals. Firstly, the 7 seals, as far as I know, have not been opened Secondly, the dead are not still alive, therefore the living, not having been mentioned, I would asume would still be on earth while this is happening. All it takes is a bit of logic ------------------ |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: I never mentioned it being pretrib or posttrib or midtrib. I just indicated why people believe there will be a rapture, as also supported in this verse: (Luk 17:34-37) However technically you could possibly view it as Jesus doesn't 'come down to Earth' at this time, he just meets us in the air! |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I never realy got the 'two men in one bed' part.. It seems a bit gay. Whatever, I guess things were different back then... ------------------ |
CoolJ Member Posts: 354 From: ny Registered: 07-11-2004 |
quote: close family eh? houses back then probably didn't have the 8+ rooms we have now, probably more like 1 room studio apts. |
nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
Most homes back in the time of Christ and before Christ were very simple one room dwellings...the exception being the Roman architecture that was developed and integrated into parts of Jewish society when Rome took over the area. However, looking at it from a future prophecy perspective, the scenario indicates hard times for those living - being forced to share a home with another family, make food instead of buy it, etc. On the issue of the New Heaven, New Earth, and New Jerusalem: Another interesting observation about the supposedly utopian notion of eternity: Read Isaiah 66:15-24. [This message has been edited by nfektious (edited June 08, 2006).] |