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buddboy

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 		Well, i'm burning the ISO to the CD as we speak... so this will be my last post until I get Linux up...

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GOOD BYE!!
*flash*

budd.
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 		goodbye *sign off AOL*

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buddboy

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 		lol... well, i got it installed... problem tho... i'm on my windoze pc cuz i can't get my net to work over there... rebooting to see if that helps... lol..

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 		what type of connection do you have? if it's cable/dsl do you have a router? 'cause it should just work with no problem, unless you have some weird unsupported nic. better ask one of the anti-win...i mean linux gurus on here

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buddboy

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 		lol... i got it working... it was cuz i had a router that you had to run the software and the software wouldn't run on Linux... so i just ran a cable instead... lol... i'm posting this from Linux, yay!

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 		I remember the first time I went online with Linux. Good going buddyboy, have fun .

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firemaker103

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 		Speaking of linux, does the default installation of linux give a default admin ("root"?) username and password. Otherwise another 2 hours of reinstalling the advacned setup...

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crazyishone

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 		dont reinstall. It depends on your distro. Cant remember the key combo, but its CTRL+ something+ something and it shuts out KDE (or GNOME) and xwindow, and you just go through command line. From there you can login as root. pwd should be root as well. Then change your password to whatever.

From there you can start xwindows again. the command is "startx"

and you'll be swimming around KDE or GNOME with root privileges. Sorry i cant give you the exact commands for some of this stuff, but I have forgotten them. Just find the UNIX man pages online.

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by firemaker103:
Speaking of linux, does the default installation of linux give a default admin ("root"?) username and password. Otherwise another 2 hours of reinstalling the advacned setup...


You never see it. Go to a console and type:
'sudo su'
then type 'passwd root'
Or you can boot in single user mode (boots directly into the command line as root)

Crazy: Interesting, I never knew about that command. CTR-ALT-BACKSPCE kills X, but on every distro that I've tried X immediately restarts.

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firemaker103

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 		It got it. Thanks guys. (Now I can also boot from the login menu... happy days )

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goop2

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quote:
Originally posted by bennythebear:
what type of connection do you have? if it's cable/dsl do you have a router? 'cause it should just work with no problem, unless you have some weird unsupported nic. better ask one of the anti-win...i mean linux gurus on here

DETH2WINDOWS!!!!!

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firemaker103

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 		Now I can't even figure out how to run Firefox 1.5.0.1.
I un-tar.gzipped it.
I've tried clicking on "firefox-bin"(bin, binary, right?) Nothing happened. So my question is how do I run new programs?

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goop2

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 		Im not sure yet how to install downloaded ones, but you can download them and install them with 'Adept' or 'Synaptic' FireFox is one you can get off from both of those.

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crazyishone

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 		you can also go to the console and type "firefox". If you just want to click, make a shortcut (w/ the firefox icon too) and point it to firefox-bin.

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firemaker103

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 		I just got Firefox 1.5.0.1 working. Seems I didn't have libstdc 5++ installed. It has to point to regular old firefox, not firefox-bin.

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crazyishone

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 		I'm glad you figured it out. All this linux buzz is makign me want to reinstall it. :-p

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goop2

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 		Who all has just recently switched to Linux?

*raises hand*

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CPUFreak91

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quote:
Originally posted by firemaker103:
Now I can't even figure out how to run Firefox 1.5.0.1.
I un-tar.gzipped it.
I've tried clicking on "firefox-bin"(bin, binary, right?) Nothing happened. So my question is how do I run new programs?

Well if you're using Kubuntu, you should first type:
apt-get install synaptic.
Synaptic is the best GUI package manager for (k)ubuntu.
That way you don't have to manually download stuff.

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firemaker103

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 		I actually like Adept better. Aren't they really just the same thing?

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crazyishone

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 		Synaptic's interface is, imo, more user-friendly. Everything makes alot more sense, and you can quickly navigate through a ton of packages. (you'll see the difference when you start searching through more and more repositiories.)

I liked it alot. $.02

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goop2

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 		I actualy like Adept beter. Is there a difference? I know you can do searches much easier in Adept, but is it getting all the same packages?

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kiwee

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 		hehe, you can join ChOLOD now

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buddboy

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 		LOL!! i sort of like Adept better too but i always check both of them when looking for something... lol... i haven't got around to joining ChOLUG yet... lol...

oh! *raises two hands*

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goop2

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 		whats ChOLOD?

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crazyishone

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 		Actually, you can set them up to search more than just the default repositories. So really, if you have all the same repositories being searched (and there are only so many :-P), then both Adept and Synaptic will return the same results. Its really a matter of efficiency and ease of use. I like the file-browser feel of synaptic, where others may prefer the style of Adept. (long lists of packages, but it isn't so bad since you can get very specific in your search results)

Synaptic- really easy to browse manually. Search is nothing special, nothing bad either.

Adept- a pain to browse manually. Balanced out by the fact that it has superior search capabilities.

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D-SIPL

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 		Synaptic pfffft

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crazyishone

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 		Ha. Let us newbies have our fun.

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crazyishone

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 		Ha. Let us newbies have our fun.

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D-SIPL

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 		You know i hate package management. Well portage is ok...

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crazyishone

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 		Do you hate it
a) "because its easy"
or
b)"Because it doesn't allow you to customize and optimize, as compiling for yourself does."
?

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goop2

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 		I still dont know how to compile >.>

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CPUFreak91

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Originally posted by goop2:
I still dont know how to compile >.>


emerge <program name>

Or the classical original way (each line is a command):
./configure
make
su
make install
logout

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D-SIPL

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quote:
Originally posted by crazyishone:
Do you hate it
a) "because its easy"
or
b)"Because it doesn't allow you to customize and optimize, as compiling for yourself does."
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Definately B, only portage allows you to compile for your arch as far as i know. But even that misses all the config options, i always --help before compiling, just to see what options there are.

I just like a system that works nice and is relatively streamlined. In all honesty i dont really like Linux at all, it's just better then anything else out there.

I'm using Minix 3 (beta 3) which includes X Windows atm, it's pretty neat.

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crazyishone

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 		sounds cool. Do you think you'd ever write your own operating system, down the road?

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D-SIPL

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 		I would love to. Every OS has it's flaws and I suppose to get the perfect OS for you, you would have to write it yourself.

One day hopefully

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Tonnyx

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quote:
Originally posted by D-SIPL:
I would love to. Every OS has it's flaws and I suppose to get the perfect OS for you, you would have to write it yourself.

Ha - any OS I tried to write would be far from perfect.

Anyway, here's my Linux story so far:

A friend of ours gave us a laptop that he couldn't get working - it was stuck on the red "Compaq" screen. Well, I found out the other day by accident that you could still press F10 for the BIOS. I changed a few things in there on a whim, took the computer apart, put it back together, and it worked. Crazy. I have no idea why.

The hard drive had Win98 on it, which I didn't really want, so I put an old hard drive of mine in there, which totally failed to boot (to my knowledge, it should have had Win2k on it). So...I got a Debian (stable) install CD, wiped it, and it worked fairly smoothly.

Things went amok when I tried to make it go to testing (Etch) instead. So, I burned an etch CD, which strangely failed to give me the option to get it through ftp instead of http. For that and other reasons unknown to me, it failed to work in any meaningful way, so atm, I'm starting again with Sarge. I'm not sure whether I should just stay with Sarge because it's stable, or venture again into the seemingly treacherous waters of Etch.

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CPUFreak91

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I'm not sure whether I should just stay with Sarge because it's stable, or venture again into the seemingly treacherous waters of Etch.

Are you a debian person? aLinux looks nice... I'm still working on the download.

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Tonnyx

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quote:
Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Are you a debian person?

I am a "debian person" in that I am using Debian on this laptop, but I am not dedicated to it or anything. It's just the easiest thing so far. I did end up successfully installing etch (the problem mostly had to do with my proxy and for some reason it didn't install all of the needed x packages properly). I've been happy with it so far. I've moved most of my finance accounts from Microsoft Money over to gnuCash, openOffice was already installed, I somehow managed to transfer all my data and backup files from my Windows computer with a crossover cable (that was way cool!)...yep, this is fast becoming my primary computer.

The main thing I miss from my Windows machine is Macromedia Studio. According to a few websites, Wine won't run MX 2004. :-/ So, my Windows laptop (whose screen won't work) will have to live a stationary desktop life just to run Macromedia. bleh.

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