HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Hey all! Well, there have been a number of contests / forum games on here lately, and I thought I would contribute another one. Lately, I've really been getting into the game Dance Praise, and as a result, also into StepMania. StepMania has a great step-editor built into the game, and I've been learning how to make my own mixes lately. So much like the stick figure animation contest (which was loads of fun btw), I am providing the editor and some sample stuff and everyone can go to town creating their submissions! Contest summary:
First, download StepMania here (yes guys, there are Linux and Mac binaries!): Then, download the A vs O vs E starter pack from here: After that, you can load up the program and go into the song editor (Screenshot 1), select the A vs O vs E song that I prepared (Screenshot 2), edit the steps (Screenshot 3 and Screenshot 4). After you've done that, you can load the song up in the game (Screenshot 5), then play and enjoy! (Screenshot 6 and Screenshot 7) Xrucifix guys (Gump/Max/Zookey), if you'd prefer me to use different artwork or not use this song at all, just lemme' know and I'll modify the starter pack accordingly. I hope this is okay! The contest will end on Friday, April 7th, 2006 (so you all have a little more than a week and a half). The best submissions from each category will be compiled into a single file for distribution. Any questions (and I'm sure there will be many) can be directed here, though keep in mind there are plenty of tutorials on creating StepMania songs out there. If you don't have a dance mat, don't worry -- this game is plenty of fun to play just with the keyboard! In Christ, |
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Crazed Madman Member Posts: 14 From: New Hampshire USA Registered: 03-10-2006 |
I have no idea whats going on.... but if you want you can put music into this thing http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dance8nf.gif [This message has been edited by Crazed Madman (edited March 28, 2006).] |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
wow... you wouldent beleive how close love liberty disco matches that... no, Im not obsessed, it realy does. ------------------ |
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Flamers23 Member Posts: 30 From: gilmanton N.H U.S.A Registered: 11-16-2004 |
lol its true he showed me ------------------ |
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t blk Junior Member Posts: 1 From: Registered: 05-28-2006 |
Did you guys get those files finished yet? I'd really like to have some more Christian tracks for StepMania. |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Welcome to CCN!  ------------------ |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: No problem here, as long as it isn't used for commerical purposes and it has the approperate credits (which you have already) then it's all cool. |
zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Haven't played Stepmania in soooo long LOL Just got In The Groove (one of the 2 games, Dance Praise being the other, that I keep going all bi-polar over whether I think they are a sin against Dance Dance Revolution or not LOL) because it came with the 2 Red Octane Ignition pads I just bought---man those things are NICE---to any of you who are serious about dancing games, go over to www.redoctane.com and just drop the money for the ignition pads---they hook up to PS2, XBOX and PC and are very comfy with foam insert thingys-----now I am going all weird tho trying to decide if I want to play In The Groove or not, I already have a ton of Dance Dance games I love, and I don't want to downplay them LOLJK but yeah, just as a note to all you dance freaks out there, be careful buying those pads that say they are high quality metal that replicate the arcade experience, my personal experience with a roughly 300 dollar pair of them is that the arrows crack extremely easy---but yeah LOL dance games are fun :-P ------------------ XrucifiX Game Developement Team |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: Hi t blk! Welcome to CCN! No, sorry -- noone else seemed very interested in doing anything for this contest, so it never got off the ground. The starter pack is still available, but I didn't get any completed step files done for it yet. Sorry! If people are interested, I'm still up for moving forward and managing all of this. Yeah Zookey -- I haven't played StepMania in a while either. T Blk -- what Christian music have you found for StepMania so far? The only one I've seen is Turkish Delight (from the Chronicles of Narnia soundtrack) -- that one's pretty decent. Cheers! In Christ, |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
Ok here is my challenge to you Han Clinto---LOL this will rock!!
Got Beatmania a little while back---dang man they expect you to become a pro overnight at it--only 3 easy songs the rest are basically challenge difficulty---kinda cool game tho ------------------ XrucifiX Game Developement Team |
hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
woah. you do realize two things? a) this song is a literal marathon. at virtually any difficulty level 2) this song is AMAZING, and i have no hope of even coming close to doing it justice d) the bpm isn't right, although i haven't looked at it carefully enough. i'm gonna put it into dancinggorillas and see what it comes up with - as a result of this, i'm gonna have to shorten it, b/c dancinggorrillas sucks ram like nobody's business when the songs get too long edit: okay, i guess the bpm is accurate. (btw, if you don't get the numbering, then you haven't watched home alone enough times) [This message has been edited by hzfollower9 (edited March 04, 2007).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: Gotta love those direct answers  ------------------ |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
man....I haven't played StepMania in FOREVER! LOL--seems like so long ago---I don't know if it is still up but there is some site like www.bemanistyle.com or www.bemanisims.com ---something along those lines (Bemani is Konami's mini studio responsible for music games like DDR) that has (or had, don't know if they still do or not) tons of StepMania songs and charts for download--including a few Christian ones (got a techno of Amazing Grace and a punk rock mix of Awesome God there)--plus some other rare tracks including SM versions of the Korean songs from DDR that never made it to a home mix---look for songs like Bakkwo and Wa (Lee Jung Hyun), Bu Dam (not sure of artist's name), Sung Sook (Space-A), Face (NRG) and Shock (goofy)--those are some of the best DDR songs ever made and the only way to play them short of finding one of the few machines with them is to get them on StepMania ------------------ |
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hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
okay 2:30 after starting the basic steps, i finished them. here's the dwi for it. (the final version will include a .sm/.dwi/length fixed mp3) quote: to install: open notepad, paste the quoted stuff in, save as "AvsOvsE.dwi" (including quotes), put the file into the AvsOvsE folder, move that folder to stepmania/songs/ (create a folder in songs called AOE, and put the AvsOvsE folder in that) i would love some criticism/critique on this- i put a lot of work into it, especially the first part. the middle was kinda hard to match the notes to the music, but the first, i felt, was pretty good also, if you'd like to give section specific critique, go to the editor in stepmania, and hit escape and select play whole song and refer to sections by the numbers along the left. ------------------ [This message has been edited by hzfollower9 (edited March 04, 2007).] |
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hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
alright, here's the new .dwi with the standard steps as i can't even do heavies, i'm not gonna make heavy steps yet. feedback would be greatly appreciated quote: ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Wow! I tried these out, and they are *really* good! I played both the easy and the normal, and really liked it! When first starting out with the easy ones, I thought "Hrm, he could have done some cool stuff there with the double-hits and faster beats", but then later on in the song you ramped it up and I thought that it was a great progression of difficulty. You did some of this in the harder one also, and I really liked it. Well done! I also really liked how you changed formats from a normal step song into a hold-coordination-set at the end -- I don't do well with those, but I thought it was a great way to break the song up into some variety and provide a kindof relaxing but also quite challenging end to the song. That's something I haven't seen a lot of elsewhere, and though it felt a little odd at first, I think you pulled it off really well! There were a few beats that felt a little off, when I have more time I hope to go back and get the actual beat numbers for you. Overall though, this was a fantastic set of steps and I'm truly impressed! --clint |
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hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
quote: you have no idea what that meant to me. thanks a TON! i'm a little too self-critical to get stuck up or anything (fortunately), but i'm grateful for the encouragement. and as for the easy, i was shooting for something along the lines of dp's easy, so i didn't do a lot with the fast parts, leaving room for making the harder steps more interesting. (it's kinda hard to make easy interesting by its very nature) btw, i'm quite interested in the program you wrote to import songs from stepmania to dp, as i'd like to see the correlation between the difficulties of the programs(which was one of my original reasons for posting in the dp thread) ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Very glad to hear that the feedback was appreciated!
quote: Yeah, I agree that easy is often hard to make very interesting.
quote: Sadly, that program only imports the steps and not the music. I had to take the songs out of Dance Praise (by recording it with a .wav editor, very poor way of doing it because you get the announcer in there too), put it into StepMania, create my steps, then put the steps back into DP, overwriting the original steps that were there. I never figured out how to add my own music files, so my program is very limited. If after all of those disclaimers you're still interested in the program, I'm very willing to share the code. Cheers! --clint |
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hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
quote: excellent, thanks. i tried especially to sync the steps well. (one way i found works well to test if a specific step is synced is to close your eyes and try it a few times) quote: ah. okay, nvm then (don't know C#, just some limited java experience). thanks for the explanation though. and btw, i tried that as well, though i didn't get to the import back into dp stage. two things i learned: a) trim it carefully, b) turn off zero powerbar ends song and fail it. you don't get the sound effect for 2x/4x also, i am interested in making steps for more songs (preferably techno, although i will give christian music a shot), if anyone'd like to send me the song (any format works). also, as i improve in ddr, i should be able to make harder steps for a song ------------------ [This message has been edited by hzfollower9 (edited March 05, 2007).] |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: A cool Christian artist that has posted on here before is F1lt3r -- in another old thread he posted links to some music of his. I particular like his Bless The Lord song, but he has a lot more stuff free for download from his website. BTW HZ, I got a little further into my more in-depth critique of your steps -- I stopped almost halfway through the hard one, but I hope you at least find what I've typed up useful. I hope it doesn't feel too harsh -- I'm just trying to be helpfully honest. The sets really are impressive, and I think that it's got great potential for submitting to the Step Mania site for inclusion in the next StepMix contest. Anyways, here's my feedback. quote: Anyways, take care! In Christ, |
bwoogie Member Posts: 380 From: kansas usa Registered: 03-12-2005 |
im downloading now.. i dont have a dance pad (for my computer, i have the gamecube one), but i'll see what i can make. ------------------ |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Cool. If you need help getting the steps into your game, just ask and we can help. FWIW, I like to play StepMania even just with the arrow keys on the keyboard -- it's still fun and challenging, even without the dance mat. Is that what you were planning to do, or were you going to use a Gamecube-to-USB converter? Cheers! --clint |
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hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
quote: yep, you're right. it is off the beat. i fixed it. that's a consequence of being able to read notes too well. heh
quote: thanks, i liked it too
quote: i knew that one was coming.  really, i struggled with that section and gave up. i had two choices: switch to the more subtle beat or try to match it to the high pitched noises. the former is quite difficult (as in i haven't been able to do it), and the steps it will result in will be both fast, and it'll be quite difficult for the dancer to switch his attention from the primary sounds to the more subtle beat. on the other hand, the latter has it's own problems b/c the more obvious noises are kinda random. advice?
quote:again, right. the 71 is tricky b/c it's synced to the music (trust me, it is (best way to find out if something is is to play it with your eyes closed)), but it doesn't feel right after that string of quarter notes. so i moved it by 16th. the 72 was off, and i moved it
quote: thanks again. it's helpful to have someone check it for you, as going over it yourself and seeing errors after you've listened to each measure or two at least five times and at least thirty for the trickier parts is quite difficult. oh, and it's by no means harsh. i'd prefer criticism to flattery.
quote: alright, i took a look at it(i added the one in 9, but changed the arrows a bit to make it easier, and left the one in 8)
quote: thanks!
quote: thanks. what i was trying to do with that fast little bit there is as follows: if you listen carefully, there's a drumroll that starts right on/after the jump, and i wanted to do something fast with that, but having the quick steps start right after the jump would be more on line with an expert song, not a hard one. opinion?
quote: this was incredibly useful. i'd love to have the rest of it critiqued. EDIT: it turns out that the files in that thread/ones you linked me to didn't work, but this does. if anyone has a specific favorite, let me know, and i'll give it a shot. from what i've seen, the songs are good but LONG, so if you have a favorite part, be specific as to what start/end time you want if you care. updated version: quote: ------------------ [This message has been edited by hzfollower9 (edited March 07, 2007).] |
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zookey Member Posts: 1902 From: Great Falls, Montana, USA Registered: 04-28-2002 |
quote: There used to be people who made songs and stepcharts that are specifically for keyboard only (supposidly impossible to do with a pad due to the speed and multi-arrow hits that require all arrows to be hit at once--although I bet there is like one insane kid in Japan who is part monkey and part super human that can do it!)---I don't know if people still do that but it was insane when I downloaded one song like that! ------------------ |
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hzfollower9 Member Posts: 17 From: Registered: 03-03-2007 |
quote: anyone? ------------------ |
