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pop, classical, techno, metal, rock, Christian rock, videogame, etc AS one popular musician said it’s all a hustle and each musician says their political views. Very talented musicians are not favored by the teens but hyped up music is. Kind of like Jessica Simpson how her music did not sell at first but when she came out with her TV show her album sold like hot cakes. To buy popular music by bands that act immoral is not a good way to vote with your money for what you truly believe in. I prefer music with no lyrics, with less lyrics, or music that I don’t know what they are saying (foreign) lol. One foreign song that sounds cool would be Origa’s song from the anime Ghost in the Shell 2nd gig. For you video game music fans or not, River City Ransom might be a good one for you. ------------------ |
steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
Music, I love music. I like crazy underground metal best of all. I saw Extol play. They are awesome Christians from Norway. There were a bunch of American hardcore and metal bands that played before them, but Extol blew all of them away with their metal power. On top of that, unlike the other bands, they talked about Jesus and were not ashamed to do so. Everyone else was trying too hard to be cool. I love all kinds of music. As far as bands that are comprised of non-Christians, I don't let it bother me... unless it does. Sometimes music is just a universal, heartfelt expression of whatever. It doesn't have to be "Christian" to be good or encouraging or enjoyable. However, some music gives me a bad or dark feeling or makes me depressed. I steer clear of that. If I'm not sure about a band, I look up the lyrics. Oftentimes, its a matter of personal conscience. What may be innocuous to one person, could be harmful to another and vice versa. Whatever you do, don't let music get between you and God. Also, don't let religious hypocrisy get between you and good music. ------------------ |
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Thegpfury Member Posts: 53 From: Registered: 03-23-2006 |
I listen to mainly christian music, like petra and phil keaggy, but also some secular stuff, like Blind Guardian and Rush. ------------------ |
Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
I like uplifting, encouraging music, I mostly listen to Third Day, Taken Back, Steven Curtis Chapman, and the radio, I also enjoy collecting soundtracks from movie I like and listening to them. ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Rammstein, Soilwork, System of a Down, and some scatterings of others. The other music I really like is trance and progressive house. I also tend to go out of my way avoid listening to whats popular at the moment because I don't want to be like all the 'scene kids'. ------------------ Will the emo kids be my friends now? [This message has been edited by crazyishone (edited March 27, 2006).] |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: Man thats some pretty trashy stuff. You won't be feeding yourself anything good by listening to them. Isn't Chop Suey by SOAD implying that Jesus dying on the cross was self righteous suicide? In which case supporting a band like that is pretty much a slap in the face imo. What goes in has to come out. I used to listen to all sorts of rubbish like Slipknot, Mushroomhead, Taproot etc etc but all that angry rubbish gets boring... feed your spirit man good stuff. --D-SIPL ------------------ |
CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
Love it. Mainly christian bands but I listen to good secular rock and stuff. Disco, rap and stuff similar are not high on my top ten music style lists. ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
system of a down lyrics are, admittedly, screwed up. Moreso, if anybody cared to look into the lyrics of some Rammstein songs you might be a little disturbed. Luckily their "disturbing" lyrics are usually satire or metaphorical. Music is good, and personally i think the vocals are awesome. (THough that is often debated) ------------------ Will the emo kids be my friends now? |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
ooh. Here's a good song: Song: I'm Into Jesus Album: Supernatural Artist: DC Talk ------------------ |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
oooh... i love that song... how about Jesus Freak? Or You Consume Me? i love that band!! lol.. DC Talk is one of my favorites... or should I say was... before they broke up... *sniff sniff*... lol... ------------------ |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: I have to admit that I enjoy the music of Soilwork, not so much the others. If you like heavy music and are concerned about the lyrical content and what you are feeding yourself, you could consider some heavier Christian bands. Try Extol, Crimson Moonlight, Slechtvalk, and Sympathy. Godcore.com lists these bands and others. I listen to metal for the power and beauty of the music, not for a negative message. The bands I listed are as awesome as anything in the genre without the trashy lyrics. I listen to some secular music, too. If you are on the line about some heavier bands, look up the lyrics at darklyrics.com or google for them. It can be an eye opener. Many times I have looked up bands I thought sounded cool, but when I read how nasty and evil their message was, I got so disgusted that I lost all desire to listen to them which made the decision simple. Conscience is a personal matter and differs from one person to another. For me, if a band is expressing honest feelings, frustrations or whatever that's fine. If they are expressly demonic or against Jesus, or I get a generally bad feeling from them I steer clear. Again, it's between you and God. ------------------ |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
I love all scripture based music, songs directly from the Bible (psalms) or with words that are clearly inspired by the Holy spirit. I don't listen any secular music because there simply doesnt seem be anything that is good to listen to. So much lusting and madness in secular music, which we are forced to listen some times if they are played in a public place like, in your workplace. Have to warn you, even some of the 'Christian' bands and singers go by the flesh instead of Spirit of God and the lust appears in their sons. Oh and what comes to tunes and such without words, they too can lead your mind in to wrong direction but fortunately the secular melodies can't do that much harm. From here you can find some pretty good music if you take the time: In Christ, ------------------ [VoHW] (Help needed) [Blog] - Truedisciple (mp3) [This message has been edited by jari (edited March 28, 2006).] |
kiwee Member Posts: 578 From: oxfordshire, england Registered: 04-17-2004 |
I like all genre's of music, but Rock and electronica are my fav. ------------------ |
luke Member Posts: 311 From: I use your computer as my second Linux box Registered: 10-30-2005 |
Complicated.... I think rap is the *WORST* kind of 'music' ever thought of, Satan himself couldn't have done better. As far as the rest of 'civilized' music goes, I don't really care; but I am picking up a taste for classical music... you know, when people didn't cuss every other word... ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Satan hates rap... thats how bad it is... I cant stand it, I dont know why anyone likes it. I like linkin park, newsboys, stuff like that. ATM Im coming up with game style music to play on my guitar. I think it sounds somewhat mysterius. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Hahaha, anything Satan hates should be gold to you guys, but what the hey, I like a little violent humor from time to time... But Rammstein is definitely my favorite band of all time. I wish they would stick to their epic/fast-action songs, their newer dramatic stuff doesn't do them justice. And who can diss some super-fast techno with truckloads of bass to get the old adrenaline going... |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: Yes, but not all secular music.
quote: It's true, the labels "Christian" and "secular" provide a poor reference to what is and is not good, healthy music to consume. The same goes for games and other forms and sources of media and culture. ------------------ |
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What would Christ listen to?? Jari Steveth Here is an interesting fact about music. A music historian said that the origins of church chanting/psalms music is most likely Ancient Greek music and that the that classical music is inspired or was help made by the same people. Another person said that other kinds of music make people move to a different beat besides the beat of Christian chanting/psalms and that when people listen to other types mostly they are not as much in the essence of Christ in a way. Which I would guess Jari must have read up on that too or thinks differently than most people to come up with the same conclusion in what the church said. I would guess it would be like eating all veggies and you have to learn while young since many other things can influence the person. People just get addicted to other music and it’s a slippery slope. Some grow out of it and some do not. Obviously some might disagree but that’s just the facts to the other side of the story. ------------------ |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: How is chanting more "Christian" than other styles of music? Where did Jesus say to only worship Him with chanting and only with that which is written in the Psalms? What the Bible actually says is to make a joyful noise unto the Lord. The Psalms themselves actually command that we praise God with a large variety of instruments. What's the point of chanting the Psalms when you aren't even listening to the words? Many of the Psalms were heartfelt hymns of praise to the Lord and some were written in dispair, crying out to God for help etc. Many of them were marked to be sung with the accompaniment of stringed instruments. It sounds a whole lot more like rock to me than choirs of chanting men. Please don't confuse Western culture with Christianity. Throughout the Bible, people praised God with the instruments of the day and the culture they lived in... even the same instruments that may have been used to praise idols. Did God despise David for dancing and praising God in an undignified manner? No, that was reserved for David's wife who despised David's form of worship. David said that he would become even more undignified than that. This is the guy that wrote many of the Psalms. The Medieval Church may have used chanting, and that may be one of the origins of "Christian" music but that has no bearing on what is right or good now. The Medieval Church also participated in genocide of Jews and unrighteous crusades filled with rape, murder, and corruption. What's more important, your heart or tradition? ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
Personally, and I will stand out on a limb on this, I like rap, but I am very selective on it. Like I don't listen to naything kind of rap other than the kind that has Christian lyrics. Because I have leared that listening to any kind of secular rap will have something bad in it. Though it doesn't offend me when people don't like rap, or even detest it, because I used to be the exact same way a long time ago. I like rock ok, nothing too heavy, and when they start screaming in music I turn it off. The farthest I will listen to is the heaviest Jeremy Camp songs. I like alot of pop songs. And I like Seal, I don't know really what his genre is classified as. I like Dance\techno, I like a few songs of DJ Sammy, nothing too extreme, decent lyrics, good sound. I also like alot of Christian comtemporary. ------------------ [This message has been edited by lava (edited March 29, 2006).] |
CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
I see this everytime I come here and it still suprises me. The vast majority of you who listen to what seems nothing but christian music... it just stuns me. What I'm saying is, have you looked past the genre? I've heard christian stuff and from what I've listened to its nothing special. When you get to true talent it doesn't designate itself to a religion or something of that sort. Music is best without boundries, and that doesn't mean that it has to "step past the line" which is just wrong. Mabye point me to some of your favorite "chrsitian" songs? See if I can be proved wrong. Oh, if you could try and supply a link. I don't have a p2p program on this computer and I'm not looking to download one for this cause. Before you draw any conclutions on my music I listen to I'll just supply a small bit of my library to show what I have diversely: Obviously quite the varied music, so try me. I want to be impressed. ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
oh yeah I like country too, LOL "Mabye point me to some of your favorite "chrsitian" songs? See if I can be proved wrong." one of my favorite Christian songs is by Jeremy Camp called "lay down my pride" and so I also like "God is an awesome God", "Open the eyes of my heart", "Now is the time to worship", "Hungry", "Heart of Worship", "Psalm 122" (Jari suggested that one I don't know why, but these songs are different to me from secular songs, not just sound wise, but spiritually. You have to look beyond the sound. ------------------ [This message has been edited by lava (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
yo, capnstank, have you checked out relientk? There are non-christians who like them. also day of fire is pretty good. I actualy havent listened to any non-christian music until recently because my parents think all rock is evil... Actualy my mom said that the christian stuff was bad  I just downloaded limewire though, so I can listen to that stuff now. (linkin park, green day, linkin park, pink floyd, linkin park....) OH! MXPX I have heard is a christian band, but non-christians listen to them too. ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
quote: Oh ok, I misunderstood Cap'N's question. ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Actually they're like the Beach Boys: nothing really christian about them ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
i like RelientK... so does my sister... lol... ------------------ |
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Lava Member Posts: 1905 From: Registered: 01-26-2005 |
yeah they're good, I like their song "forward motion" ------------------ |
pigpen98 Member Posts: 41 From: Indiana Registered: 03-29-2006 |
i like Toby Mac. ------------------ |
um i cant think of a name Member Posts: 22 From: Registered: 03-28-2006 |
I live for music!! I love any kind of music, doesn't matter what kind. even rap. even country (sort of). My dad is a preacher so my parents have always been strict about what music I can and can't listen to, so basically all I can listen to is christian. I listen to bands like Relientk and Switchfoot...sometimes DcTalk or Toby Mac. As for there not being any interesting christian bands...I wouldn't say that, it's just pretty hard to find any that don't put you to sleep. I do wish I could to listen to some other music though, some of it isn't all that bad... ------------------ |
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pigpen98 Member Posts: 41 From: Indiana Registered: 03-29-2006 |
one thing i like about Toby Mac is each of his songs have a diferent style ------------------ |
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um i cant think of a name Member Posts: 22 From: Registered: 03-28-2006 |
oops lol... my brother posted as me.. ------------------ it's lilly!! [This message has been edited by um i cant think of a name (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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um i cant think of a name Member Posts: 22 From: Registered: 03-28-2006 |
he keeps doing it!! ------------------ it's lilly!! [This message has been edited by um i cant think of a name (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
anybody heard of Tangerine Dream? they're an electronika band that's been around since 1967... lol... long time huh? oh hey, you guys like music... have any of you heard of Pandora? http://pandora.com ------------------ |
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Steveth I’m sorry, but I can’t help but point out your many errors, but you gave a nice try.  Jews didn’t get persecuted or at least not by the original church (Orthodox Church) This is why other imitators distort it and hurt Christianity which Christ said that it should be one, but others mainly did it for profit or they didn’t know better. The same negative method is used now by those churches. The Crusades mainly targeted hurt the Original Christian Orthodox countries and churches as I stated in details before. As for what par you said about musical instruments where does it say that? The closest thing I found was “5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;” Or “3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” Another part is READ this LOL http://www.orthodoxphotos.com/readings/rock/ The Holy Scripture encourages tranquil singing that creates a prayerful mood. For example, Apostle James counsels: "Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms." In the same spectrum of music being classical as I stated its origins “Contemporary medical experiments have established the beneficial influence of peaceful classical music in the recovery process of patients.” So in the end sorry to say, Christ would not listen to most or only to Chant/Pslams or at most maybe classical even in modern day. You can not improve perfection you can only degrate it. I hope this helps some. [This message has been edited by warsong (edited March 29, 2006).] [This message has been edited by warsong (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: Unfortunately, I feel like this discussion is getting a little personal, I don't want that. Nice try? I said the Psalms spoke about stringed instruments. Hows this: "All Your garments are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; Out of ivory palaces stringed instruments have made You glad." Psalms 45:8 "Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse. Praise Him for His mighty deeds; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness. Praise Him with trumpet sound; Praise Him with harp and lyre. Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe. Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!" Psalm 150 What I think is funny is that you said, "I’m sorry, but I can’t help but point out your many errors, but you gave a nice try." Then you said, "As for what you said about musical instruments where does it say that?" Unfortunately I can't say that you gave a nice try because you didn't even look it up in the Psalms to see if what I said was true. What style of music fits more in with stringed instruments and loud and resounding cymbals: chanting or rock? The webpage you link to has articles titled things like "Mentally Deranging Power of Rock-and-Roll." Also, the webpage makes this claim, "The Orthodox believe in the ever-virginity of Mary. Since God chose her to manifest His presence among men, she is called, 'All Holy' and the bridge between God and man. For this reason, she is highly praised and venerated in the Orthodox Church. The Orthodox always pray to the Virgin Mary, beseeching her to intercede for us to God." I could take a poll, but I don't think most of the people on this webpage think rock deranges our minds. ------------------ [This message has been edited by steveth45 (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: Do you have diverse city? as for sleepy music, I dont mind soft rock. Actualy I like it. My current album is love liberty disco. Actualy right now Im listening to "everyones someone" which is soft rock. I listen to switchfoot, which Im sure a non-christian would listen to also. Not sure why a girl would like relientk though... The ultimate band? Audio Adrenaline. YEAH MAN!!! Ithink... yep, Thats the band I have the most albums. Well... actualy thats not realy fair, cause I have 2 newsboys, and 2 DCTalk. I have 3 of switchfoot, but thats the early years package. (first 3) [edit] wewt! Im deranged!! I told my mom that there were electric guitars in the bible, but she didnt think "stringed instruments" had anything to do with electric guitars because of lack of electricity O.o Mary? Virgin? The bible never says she was virgin all her life. It never says Jesus was an only child either. ------------------ [This message has been edited by goop2 (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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Steveth What I mean was that many things you said are fine but some are not but that’s ok since no one is perfect including me. It’s a learning experience for all of us. As for what you said here is some more info to clarify. ***about Rock and Christian Rock*** http://www.sfaturiortodoxe.ro/orthodox/orthodox_advices_rock_music.htm "The Christian rock is but another mask and trap of the devil." The site explains why. “In the case of plants one have noticed that a soft sound (the classical music, for example) helps their growth while the rock music may lead to their fading.” "Saint John of Kronstadt said: "Do not let yourselves attracted to the pleasant sound of an instrument or of a voice, but beware of the consequences that these may have upon your soul. If the sounds bring joy in the soul and pure divine feelings, then you can feed your souls listening to them. If these sounds give birth to physical desires, remove them totally, and never again listen to that music!" “The Holy Scripture warns the young men: "Sons, beware of idols!" (John 5,21). Unfortunately, the real saints, who have fought for years against the devil and have even died for Christ, are completely unknown to the teenagers. The saints, who worked wonders during their lifetime through God's grace, and go on working wonders even after their death. These are the true heroes, unfortunately despised by the new generation, who prefers to worship the rock idols.” “The Holy Scripture also warns us: "You will recognize them by their fruits" (Mattew 7,16). Which are the fruits of the rock stars? Revolt, drugs, death, alcoholism, violence, homosexuality and sexual libertinism.” Also lets not open up a can of worms to talk about other sects how they liberal they bend to gradually stray people form religion. Kind of like Jessica Simpson’s dad being a priest or some sort in the protestant church. No real guidance from elders just inexperienced people that think they know better. We are all learning and as one saying kind of goes, he who thinks they know actually knows nothing. Hope this clarifies things. ------------------ |
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CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
So... can listening to music really be sinful? I'm never going to let people limit me to what I like to listen to. The best music is the stuff that isn't entirely propper! I'm currently in quite the Ska craze myself and anyone who knows the music could tell you it speaks of quite odd stuff. If I was censored to it I'd never know its beauty because its a music genre all on its own. ------------------ |
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You are slave to your music. AS the other post stated too much freedom is not true freedom. Read the link I last gave which another thing it said. Do you see the irony? lol When they turn Christian they turn away from the Rock, and other that say they are go to the unchristian uncivilized voodoo acts. ----Also as for your quote by Mahatma Gandhi he intentionally slaughtered many of his people for peace. I don’t know if you saw the show futureama in how a captain of the ship says he defeated the planet of killer robots by throwing wave after wave of his men until the robots reached its killing limit. Gandhi was not that good and if you read up on the politics of the time you will see how he was far from right. [This message has been edited by warsong (edited March 30, 2006).] |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
yes he has Diverse City... he just got it Monday for his birthday... ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
quote: PLEASE listen to the houseplant song by audio adrenaline. You could learn alot from it.
quote: Alot of MY music fills me with phisical desire to worship god.... I guess I should throw that out... Also the stuff that makes me want to make a beat, or play my guitar (which is an evil instument BTW, even though its biblical) quote: huh? Im sorry, none of that realy made sense to me. quote: you cant judge a whole huge group by one person. If I started a band does that mean I have to start taking drugs, getting all violent, and having sex with whatever person I feel like? Cause thats what IM getting out of this. Diverse city isnt all different. Actualy the first time I listened to it I thought the first 3 songs were all one long song. ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
lol.. talk to him about it... ------------------ |
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um i cant think of a name Member Posts: 22 From: Registered: 03-28-2006 |
quote: yo warsong i googled musical instruments in the bible and found this site. it has a long list of verses about musical instruments. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/7059/dance.html ------------------ [This message has been edited by um i cant think of a name (edited March 30, 2006).] |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: Well, it does clarify that you hold to a particular sect's viewpoints on rock-n-roll that most Christians, including myself, do not hold. You're right, I don't want to start a debate about which sect or denomination is better than the other. What I did point out is that chanting, which you claim to be the perfect form of music, is fine, but cannot be the complete spectrum of music that God desires, since the Psalms and many other parts of the Bible explicitely command us to worship God with a great variety of instruments. You quoted numerous writings from people (whom I disagree with) about rock but never addressed the specific point that I made about instruments. It is a learning experience. I learned there were more verses in the Bible encouraging the use of instruments than I remember from reading. You seem to think that all other sects of Christianity are led by "just inexperienced people that think they know better." That is a wide-ranging, ignorant attack without base. I think our conversation is done because you seem to want to quote people instead of address specific issues I brought up. The people you are quoting come from a specific dogmatic worldview that I haven't come to through honest reading of the Bible. ------------------ |
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CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
quote: Jari, warsong, Han, You are my role models. ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
@ cheese I actually think some of the "dramatic" rammstein songs are pretty decent. I like "Reise, Reise" and "Sonne" quite a bit. I like pretty much everything of theirs. Amerika is an awesome song. ------------------ Will the emo kids be my friends now? |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I love amerika! ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
i have a ton of rammstein music available on my server. pm me for usr and password. (its a precaution.) ------------------ Will the emo kids be my friends now? |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
I really prefer faster/powerful music, but their slow stuff isn't too bad. I just wish they would make more stuff like Zwitter, Das Modell, Du Hast, Links 234. |
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steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: The African dialect??? That is one of the most ignorant statements I've heard in a long time, even from a Christian. ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
yeah, i was noticing the other day the difference between their older and newer stuff. Thing is, when i first found out about rammstein it was from listening to some newer tracks, so that's the style of theirs that is familiar to me. But to be honest I love it all. ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
african dialect...yeah, haha. that is pretty funny. frankly, just skimming through that site, I found huge amounts of errors. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Im reading that thing right now... Its kinda interesting that that guy was in a band, but wasnt familiar with "beat". "The same way with the Beatles. At the moment of their first appearance, the length of their hair was considered to be a great offense, whereas for us, they seem to be some angels. Therefore we see that step by step the people begin to accept things that in the past were perceived as scandalous.This a way of acting characteristic of Satan, step by step, so hat we shouldn't realize what is actually happening. Today, we reached such a degree of tolerance, that we are not scandalized even by the bands that openly glorify Satan." I have long hair. Does that make me evil? "Here we see the emblem of a radiostation in Australia. Look who is depicted! It is no other than the ancient Pan, with angel wings, that is to say Satan, who nowadays instead of playing the flute, plays the rock electric guitar." The Gibson Explorer is a very cool guitar. I want to get one eventualy. "On a C.D. belonging to The Rolling Stones is depicted a foot of a he-goat wearing a woman shoe." seems like an insult to the he goat. "On the cover of their other C.D. we see a head of a he-goat sunk in a pot of blood. The title of the album is "Soap of head of he-goat"." another insult "This symbol of Satan has a large spreading through the rock music fans. With no shadow of a doubt, only o few of those who make this sign with their hand know its meaning. What a pity!" If they dont know, why does it still make them evil? woohoo I made the sign you better not listen to my music or youll die
AC/DC makes me think electricity, what better symbol than a lightning bolt(I doubt its satanic)? KISS as you can see has 2 eses(maybe its satanic). I use that symbol all the time when I draw a lightning storm. "The cross is a weapon of Orthodoxy. The devil hates the cross because through it Christ, through His saving sacrifice, showed His absolute love towards mankind and totally destroyed the devil's power. um..... Satan is scared of the cross..... Rock stars wear the cross...... "The upside down cross has always been an essential element of the satanic ceremonies, this thing often happening in the case of the rock music, too.Here we see the singer of Rolling Stones displaying it during a concert." so we now were finally getting somewhere... "I listened to the Anvil band with their song, "666". Saint John the Theologian' s Book of Revelation says that this number stands for the beast or antichrist, who will come after the settlement of worldly government prepared by his forerunners and who will do signs and miracles with the power of the devil, deceiving people. Christ will also come, Who at His Second Coming, will defeat antichrist and will condemn him to eternal sufferings, together with those who followed him." I havent yet gotten any real evidence that it is actualy 666, but since it is popular beleif, we can assume thats what this song is about. "A proverb says: "There is not enough space for two feet in the same boot". I keep wondering about the Christian rock: how can Christ be glorified by the rock music? the rock music is a violent genre of music, which trouble the human soul, who can not glorify God in this mood. Beside the text having Christian content there is no other difference between it and the other rock bands. It is like admitting that there is Christian debauchery, or Christian witchcraft, but all these are impossible. Let's not forget that Satan made use of the words of the Holy Scripture in order to lead Jesus Christ into temptation in the in the desert. The Christian rock is but another mask and trap of the devil." Personaly, Im not troubled by my music. Its not violent to worship god. "In today's society music became an international language, influencing the teenagers' way of dressing, haircut or behaviour." "A great prophet of Orthodoxy, Saint Cosma of Etolia, who lived 200 years ago prophesied unbelievable things which came true nowadays; that men will look like women and women like men." This means it isnt stated as a problem in the bible. Hey, I may have long hair, but IM not the one wearing makeup and lipstick! Actualy I havent seen anyone that hasnt been listed over and over agian as satanists in these pictures. " As we have noticed before, they have always imitated the truth of God. The children's rooms became temples of. The way churches are adorned with icons, the same the children's rooms are full of images of the stars they adore. The Saint table of Sacrifices is replaced with the apparatus with which the teenagers waste their time listening to the rock music. When I was adolescent, I had myself an idol in the person of Jim Simmons from the Kiss band. Indeed , I considered him to be an incarnated god." I had pictures of Jak and Daxter, and Ratchet and Clank. I play those games, they give interest. I also had a neat picture of a guy fighting a demon (It was from GPH) "The way priests bless and the bred during the Church divine service, the same the servants of black magic have their ceremonies of invoking the devil." Ive noticed all through this his bad spelling, lol "Satan does not want the people to find the truth, for fear that they should be saved. That is why he deceive them, making them believe that they have found ten truth when they belong to other faiths beside Orthodoxy. In this very point I want to tell you that I also entered other sects: Evangelists, Pentecostals , Baptists; I can say that they are lost. Not only that they distort the Holy Scripture, but they do not have any historical link with it." WOAH!!! This is where a REALY BIG red light comes up for me!!! Catholics distort the bible BIG TIME! Ill keep reading though... "Do not let yourselves attracted to the pleasant sound of an instrument or of a voice, but beware of the consequences that these may have upon your soul. If the sounds bring joy in the soul and pure divine feelings, then you can feed your souls listening to them. If these sounds give birth to physical desires, remove them totally, and never again listen to that music!" Like I said before, My music brings joy to my soul, and fills me with the desire to physicaly worship God. He encourages you to listen to some very evil music there. I should tell you now, DONT DO IT! I had nightmares for weeks from listening to such music. Its very bad for you. All in all, it was an interesting read, but alot of repeats. He kept bringing up the same bands with almost every example. One thing he never did give was an example of Christian bands, and why you shouldent listen to them. Well thats enough long posts for me tonight I think. Rock on people, rock on. ------------------ |
Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
I mostly listen to various forms of metal, rock, goth and classical. www.christianrock.net are pretty good streaming sites. [This message has been edited by Mack (edited March 30, 2006).] |
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LOL wooooooooot this is fun now let’s get serious. First off music hit is peak with classical and the rest are just hyped up music that do not last the test of time and most that go get the help of marketing. People appreciate music more when they know about music and its history well. Music mostly sold caters to people’s subconscious with the help of good marketing. If the music was good it would sell itself and not give a political view. Even country music sells more than mainstream music bombarded on TV, but as another post stated there is a marketing of evil to spread more liberal views subconsciously and indirectly which most people do not see it. So all in all the liberal media prompts it liberal music a lot more Rock, metal, rap, etc since they are liberal music and the church and priests are not that liberal. ***As for Christian Rock*** http://www.av1611.org/crock/crock1.html LOL You will like this site better from an evangelical church. Now for the replies. ------------------ |
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Sorry I posted 2 times but it was not letting me post it all. goop---- The part that didn’t make sense talked about how a lot of people memories a song but can not memories all the apostils or know about Christianity well. Most Christians do not act Christians and are Christian by name. People in here even though have a different sect are trying better than most Christians which I congratulate everyone for trying. In general people in the industry do it. You don’t make judgments on exceptions so don’t make the devil a saint just because he did one or 2 good things. No virtue in those negative types of music. You will not see monks listening to the music. Remember you have to try and be more like Christ. As for your long comment you take things out of context to reply which is irrelevant. I am not going to point them all out but one example is the symbol. If people made the cross upside down and did demonic things and don’t know its bad that doesn’t justify ignorance. In a court of law a judge will also say ignorance of the law doesn’t mean you are innocent if something bad happens. You can wave your middle finger at a judge and say he is #1 and if you don’t know what will happen next that’s your fault. You are just on defense mode than understanding more. If you were more serious about your replies then you would understand a little more. um----- Steve---- Also how do you know rock n roll doesn’t mean a sexual act? What does rock and roll mean? Who knows maybe he is wrong. Mack--- As I said I am learning as I am posting. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I said about the upside down cross that we were getting into the actualy important stuff to notice... unless you see combos, like the bolt with the "peace" symbol, then you know youve got something. And no, I didnt see South Park. Its trash... atleast thats what Ive heard. BTW I think the music leader in my church is a satanist, I kept moving my foot around when listening to the music... ------------------ |
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Funny comments  I hope you read the other site. But you will find more Christian sites againt popular music than for it. here is some more info. "God also says in His Word: "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" (1 John 2:15- 16). And I hope everyone stays away from nightclub. We now have: Christian Rock, Christian New Wave, Christian Heavy Metal, Christian Punk. What are these rebels going to advocate next? Christian drug use, Christian Witchcraft, Christian Pornography??? "They profess that they know God; but in works they deny Him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate" Titus 1:16. "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe" (1 Cor 1:21). These are just quotes form another random site found online http://www.biblebelievers.com/Rock1.html If you care to read fine if you care to disagree fine, but I will quote from what christians sites say. Maybe they are wrong but you have to know the other side better than them to know the full story. Good luck ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
You said that in order for music to be Christian it should follow these requirments... (a) its lyrics should be edifying, spiritually oriented, clear, conforming to biblical truth, and point our focus to Jesus Christ, I agree with you 100% that there is "Christian" music that does none of those things, and I personally do not care for it, it doesn't feed me. However, there is much that is often classified under the name of "Rock" that does those very things. Rock and roll may have its roots in evil, then again it may not, but regardless of its origin it is music, and God created music, just as he created everything. Music, in itself, is amoral, it's what the person does with the music that makes it what it is. I applaude the artists who are willing to go against the grain and stigmas and truly present Christ through the music they love, making Him their sole priority, and His glory their greatest gain, regardless of the type of music they choose to worship through. ------------------ |
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The site says more rules on it, and I only quoted 1 or 2 from the list. To say God gave it to us is like saying its ok to sin since God is letting us do it. :| Remember if the foundation is not good the rest is not good. Here is another site I found lol Well I hope this post helped some. I got educated more about music from posting about it. ------------------ |
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Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: I would check before painting everything with the same brush; +) Your not 100% sure what bands I listen to I understand your concern however and I appreciate it. My favour style of metal involves nothing but the wailing of instruments and multiple screaming/growling/declaring of lyrics. I would love to see such a band use this style and sing nothing but praise and worship songs.
quote: I agree with this as well, to be labeled 'Christian' you should follow this. Unforuntatley most 'Christian' bands don't.
quote: I believe the foundations of art, music, games, writing were created by God in a pure form and evil has created 'spoiled' versions of those (which gain more attention than the orignal 'pure' versions). So to say that rock/metal/gospel/country/rap/blue grass/goth/eletronic/whatever is evil and it's birth is from evil would be incorrect. |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Oh yeah, I wanna get an earing too. Long hair + earing = next generation = not old as dirt = evil Now, if I make a band, call the genre christian....... plant (ok, I cant come up with a good name) and make activly praise god, like the Newsboys do, I would not be evil but the Newsboys would? Ok I get it. Newsboys play christian rock, I play christian plant. Same style, less evil name. Thanks for pointing that out. But seriusly, How does a name that is given to them make them evil? They worship God just as much as you, They go to church, they evangelize. Whats the difference other than Phils hair? Heres a thought to squash your brain the streach it back out agian, Jesus suposedly had long hair! EVIL!!!!!! Also one of the things Sampson was NEVER to do was cut his hair.... EVIL!!! ------------------ [This message has been edited by goop2 (edited April 01, 2006).] |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
quote: Not at all, some songs and bands are a perversion of music, just like pornography is a perversion of art, and gluttony is a perversion of eating. Just because you put a label on something does not make it any more or less evil. Someone could take pornography and call it culliformia, and it wouldn't make it any better or less a perversion of art. Summarily just because you call a particular type of music "Rock and Roll" does not make it any worse. It's like the famous line from Romeo and Juliet? "What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet." I think you're right to say that music that does not edify God or build up our spirit man is not right. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. We can't renew our minds if we're constantly filling it with stuff that either just takes up space or actually poisons our thoughts and mind, that goes for anything in our lives, not just music. But I also think you are being overly judgemental in laying a big blanket over every piece of music whose tempo rises above 120 BPM and has an electric guitar in it. It's not up to you or I to say what qualifies as a joyful noise. Make a joyful noise unto the LORD, all the earth: make a loud noise, and rejoice, and sing praise. Many "Rock" bands I've heard have done just that, they make a joyful noise, they sell CDs that take that joyful noise and they send them all over the earth, they also make loud songs as well, but all while rejoicing and praising God and who He is, and what He's done for them.
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
Thats like a long streached out version of what I said, exept you gave it less room for questions ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
Yes, and mine was less potentially offensive  ------------------ |
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Originally I just posted to show some music and see what others like. The Jari says something interesting and another says things that are not true and I had to object and see what Jari is talking about, and now we are talking about music and I kind of have a different outlook in a way. :| Mack------- As for the foundation of things well what is the foundation and the origins of it? Christian Music for example is has its foundation as I stated from ancient Greece and classical inspired by them and understood it as historians say as I stated before. The foundation of rock as I look around on many various Christian and music history sites end up in African voodoo which goes against Christianity. "Through foolishness they, the people, DECEIVED THEMSELVES into thinking that there was no right or wrong in music that it was to be judged good or bad by the pleasure it gave." (Plato, Laws as quoted by Tame, David The Secret Power of Music, p. 189) The right path is the narrow long hard path and not the wide easy short path as the bible states so what is the right path for music to listen to a wide path of music? Goop-------
--------------------- - experiments “"The recognition that something is dangerous--or else very new or exciting--does more than arouse the mechanism of memory. It also triggers a whole cascade of events in the body through the brain's control of the nervous system and its release of hormones and other chemicals.” “When classical music and soft ballads were piped into the room they talked and were friendly, but somewhat aloof. (traditional church music would be more like classical than rock) Obviously everything to “moderation” but if heavy metal or rock is moderate than is classical or chanting below the moderate level? We know that after 65 or 75 decibels more is not good for ears as doctors say. ------------------ |
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Mack Administrator Posts: 2779 From: Registered: 01-20-2001 |
quote: I agree that a lot of ‘everything’ out their isn’t the right influence for any of us.
quote: I think we should go to Christ directly for answers and not rely on people for those. One thing I’ve learned that even the most righteous man/woman can fall.
quote: As I mentioned previously; I believe the foundations of art, music, games, writing were created by God. That means that when I get to heaven I wouldn’t be surprised to see people singing, screaming, rapping, yodeling, etc. praises to God with various genres of music.
quote: I think that people should listen to what God says, if He nudges you then take the hint. You can’t say “X style of music is evil”, it’s all in the lyrics and the accountability that the people singing them need to have. |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I listen to music as loud as I can get it, I wear headphones that at above normal volume you wouldent be able to hear right beside me. I have my music so loud you can hear it in the next room with my door shut. Im not sick at all! Shocking experiment!!! Alright, you cant do an experiment like that with just 2 plants. I put had one with Linkin Park, one with Whitecross, one with a worship CD, and one with Elvis. Linkin Park stayed the same, Whitecross grew stronger, the worship one grew stronger, and Elvis died. Very interesting results if you ask me..... ------------------ [This message has been edited by goop2 (edited April 01, 2006).] |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
I told you to water the elvis one,but nooo..... ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
well why didnt YOU water it?? ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
I think we can safely determine that Goop has tampered with the results of this experiment, and it is therefore invalid, but then again......I could be wrong. ------------------ |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
naw, I was kidding. But if I do that Ill have 2 rock, Korn, which is suposedly more evil than kiss, and Linkin Park, which isnt evil... as far as I can tell. 2 Christian rock, Newsboys and Whitecross. 2 worship, modern and old. 1 durge style worship and Elvis. ------------------ [This message has been edited by goop2 (edited April 02, 2006).] |
Chickadoo Member Posts: 75 From: marzukba, europa, milky way Registered: 10-13-2004 |
Wagner, Bethoven, Patty Loveless (country), The Makem Brothers(Irish folk, Sorry D-Sipl), Frank sinatra <edit> I forgot The Shaw Brothers and John Denver, though I don't agree with his philosophy. </edit> ------------------ [This message has been edited by chickadoo (edited April 03, 2006).] |
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goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
well I dunno how many plants I wanna kill off with elvis, country and dull worship and such. I bet hard rock (which I cant stand btw) would be good for the plants. The screaming guys may work similar to the chirping of grasshoppers, which make plants grow huge if taken advantage of. You can get a thing that whistles. It sounds like grasshoppers, just consistant. Its amazing realy. ------------------ |
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Mack Yes righteous men can fall but you can not generalize all priests as bad and you have to see what they say as a whole. They collectively have more experience and look after your general interests unlike the music promoters that will do anything for your money. Christianity follow that “the means justify the ends” while the other follows “the ends justify the means”. AS for your comment about hearing rap in heaven I don’t think so lol. You analogy not proper since it is like saying that the foundation of plastic was created by God and that “adult videos” are made by plastic so that they are ok too. Things can be used for good or bad. I agree that it’s in the lyrics, but you also have to agree that people vote with their wallets and support the industry. If Satan didn’t have enough money to make people sin and people do not support his products that are evil then Satan will just sell good things to get enough money to make or give money to help make people sin. The devil's no fool and he knows how to play the game. You have to generally agree. And we both want the end goal to do what is good, and as I said the means justify the ends. Goop ------------------ |
Hey I am learning as I post. The rest of the link says more thing but I can’t post every good point since my post will be too long. lol As I stated once its how you pray is also important, people can’t just do what they think and do it their way and not Gods way. As one site said “Christians run the risk of entertaining ourselves to death” LOL so true.
THE ROCK N' ROLL DEATH LIST