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In Muslim countries like Afghanistan if a Muslim converts to Christian they will be put to death. This is what the constitution says which the US helped make the constitution. But at least the pope is trying to stop it and go against the US's insane laws that they help make. As Pat Buchanan said the US should not "dictate" to other nations what to do. Forcing people to do things is imperialistic/dictatorship and not democracy. Some organizations in the US also want to make the bible illegal since they say it is racist and anti-Semitic. Efforts for that will not stop until it happens. If that happens I would hope that the majority of Christians fight against it. Well when you have over 50% of both political parties getting contributions from non Christians as the NY Times stated, then they will impose non Christians views in the US and outside of the US and give a false sense of democracy to the world. ------------------ |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Thats horrible and insane! the US dosn't know what its doing.. is there going to be OUR death penalties in our own home country next?? ******s.... those poor people in those countries...
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
That penalty is prescribed by Islamic Sharia law, which is much older than the Americans you're trying to pin it to. Still I agree that Sharia law oppresses religious freedom, and should be disbanded (fat chance, considering how nicely we treat those maniacs). "The Prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from Islam should be killed if they refuse to come back," says Ansarullah Mawlafizada, the trial judge. "Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity. That is why we have told him if he regrets what he did, then we will forgive him." Wow, that judge just contradicted the hell out of himself... [This message has been edited by CheeseStorm (edited March 26, 2006).] |
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Cheese You are generally right in what you say, but… US Chief of Staff at the Department of State LAWRENCE WILKERSON on Iraq said "I participated in a hoax on the American people, the international community and the United Nations Security Council. How do you think that makes me feel? Thirty-one years in the United States Army and I more or less end my career with that kind of a blot on my record? That's not a very comforting thing." http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/wilkerson.html :-o When the US talks about democracy and encourages them to keep their views which have been around doesn’t prove their point. Also the fact that the Muslim countries would have collapses if it was not for non Muslim aid like the US which they put more fuel to the fire. If the people didn’t buy things form them like oil, or give money to them all the time then they would understand that their was is not the rig ht way. What is happening now is that the US is encouraging and supporting them to do what they do with the examples stated. Even the country that made democracy is against the US’s twisted interpretation and use of Democracy. If the world has a democratic vote about the US it would not be favorable sorry to say. Almost all dictators are in power by the US, and as like Ronald Regan said “they are SOB’s but they are out SOB’s” In other words they use/create monsters to take on others or other monsters, then they have to use even worse monsters to take on the former monsters they worked with. Saddam Hussein was the only Muslim country that let people convert to Christianity but the US didn’t allow that to happen and put another accused terrorist and a Muslim extremist in power. The same thing with Serbia’s Kosovo as I stated in the last post how the US bombed the Christians out of the country to bring the Muslims in it. I just hope the US doesn’t act like the Muslims to go the other extreme to force them to convert to Christianity since that would defeat the purpose of Christianity. One Protestant political columnist said to kill all the Muslim leader and force them to Christianity. To do that is not Christian but that is what methods the Protestant and Catholic churches did to get converts. As I also stated before that Christianity is widely unfavorable to the political elite, they know that they should not bite that hand that feeds them which if over 50% of the support comes from non Christians then they will support them than, and most of the actions are not favored by most countries and people in the world, and neither does the church support it but every election they all wish for the lesser of 2 evils despite the end result is still evil. Over 50 years ago the US was respected all over the world, and not they don’t respect or like the US, and they fear the US’s actions. As the saying goes “you can catch more bees with honey than vinegar” ------------------ |
Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
To quote Thomas Paine: Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one I don't trust government, it corrupts people, regardless of whether its a democracy, theocracy, or IrulesobehaveandletmedowhatIwantocracy. Yes, government does bad things, but allow me to ask, who is allowing our government to do these bad things? It's out responsibility in the US to keep our government under accountability, and elect new leaders if the ones that are in power are unfit. Once again I see your point and there are things that need to be changed, now how do you suggest we change them? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Ereon (edited March 27, 2006).] |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Yes, hard to find a solution... When we are kind to them, they see it as weakness, and blow up children. When we are mean to them, they see it as a chance to become martyrs, and blow up children. We don't know who the violent ones are until it's too late, and we can't just fence them in because there would be friendly people trapped inside with them. Not to mention all that delicious oil. Sooo... still no solution... we let them kill us, or they kill each other. Maybe there is a past war or era that we can reflect upon? They don't have a spiritual leader (like a pope) who can say "Stop this madness!" Their evil terrorist leaders are just replaced by worse ones whenever we take them out... Lol here's something I just thought of... you know how people get all excited whenever an image of the Virgin Mary appears in a window or a puddle of gas, maybe... an addition to the Koran could be "found" condemning specifically the kind of stuff that they're doing. I mean it's a long shot, but they're practically forced to read that book over and over, what if they came across some half-buried scrolls? Or even some sort of mysterious message that appeared at Mecca? And when the skeptics denied it, we could go to existing lines in the Koran and interpret them to fit our needs, and make them sound like they were hinting at a final message, or a lost chapter. Since there are probably already peaceful messages in there, it'd make sense, but these ones would be super-charged. As an ignorant, close-minded, immoral atheist, may I ask how the average Christian would likely react to news of lost Bible chapters being found? Do most of you just roll your eyes when those Virgin Maries appear, stuff like that? |
steveth45 Member Posts: 536 From: Eugene, OR, USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
The so-called "lost chapters of the Bible" is an oxymoron since the Bible is based on an intense, prayerful effort among early Christians to canonize appropriate written works as those truly inspired by the Holy Spirit, and conforming to other scripture. These "extra" chapters were never canonized so they never were part of the Bible at any point and never could have been "lost". The virgin Mary "sightings" are pretty silly. First of all, Mary was a virgin at the time of the birth of Jesus, but not for long after since Jesus had siblings. So, the "virgin" title is meaningless. As far as the sightings themselves... Mary is in heaven with God, not showing up in rock faces and grilled cheese sandwiches. ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
You're right Cheese, we lose both ways, the only way to ameliorate the issue would be either (1. Kill every Muslim off the face of the planet, or (2. Somehow make Muslims not Muslims any more, that way they would no longer feel the requirement or need to kill, murder, pillage, plunder, and terrorize. Personally I'd vote against the former because it's wrong, but the latter could have some interesting possibilities. P.S. I do not think you ignorant or close-minded, or immoral, I have seen no evidence that you are any of these things. I greatly respect many Athiests I've met because of their desire for the truth and the tenacity with which they hold on to what they perceive as truth. It is a set of qualities I strive to emmulate in my own life, and I think that many Christians I know would do well to emulate it as well. I do not agree with Atheists, but I do respect them, and I have seen nothing to suggest that you are any of the things that you have describe yourself to be. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Ereon (edited March 29, 2006).] [This message has been edited by Ereon (edited March 29, 2006).] |
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nibble Member Posts: 14 From: Registered: 03-03-2006 |
Cheese, The issue of canonicity is an interesting realm of study, but there's good reason to be confident about what we have. The number of really early (the earliest would have been within the lifetimes of contemporaries of Jesus at 60AD) manuscripts for the NT is unparalleled, and most of the NT can be found in extra-biblical sources. No other texts claiming or assumed to be accounts of the history stand up to them in this and date as early while adding or subtracting from what we have. There is even a very early spoof of the Gospel, also displaying the fact that the Gospel existed at that time. |
Valkyri Member Posts: 205 From: Registered: 08-13-2005 |
Read Tim Lahaye's and David Noebel's Mind Siege when yall get the chance, it would shed much light. In Christ, Valkyri P.S. When I get the chance I'll see if i can post some relevant quotes from it. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Things would probably get a lot better if we could control their government, set up a real education system, encourage free speech, etc. Unfortunately some people see that as an invasion. It is awfully tempting to just nuke the place, like a big Undo button on that whole mess. There would be too many reactions from other countries. Setting a good example and giving them the option to follow it seems like the best way to me, but it is dangerous and time-consuming as the troops over there must know. |
