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CPUFreak91

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On #ccn-chatzone Lava said that there were too many games with (to simplify it) "violence". I just thought I'd show you an interesting game that I am itching to play. It called "Tux. A quest for herring". You can find the interesting storyline here: http://tuxaqfh.sourceforge.net/

What piqued my interest was the following:

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Goals
I want to end up with a game that's similar to some of the console games like Mario'64, Banjo-Kazooie, Gex or Spiro the dragon. I'd like more emphasis on search-and-explore and puzzle solving and less on violence and mass killing. Graphical quality is less important than game-play and fun.

I'd particularly like to end up with a setup where individuals can design levels and contribute them to the game so that we all wind up with endless numbers of new levels to play and enjoy.

I'd also like people to take the game engine and use it to build entirely new OpenSource games.


Sounds like the type of game you'd be interested in, Lava?

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Jari

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"and less on violence and mass killing."

I hope that is same as no violence and mass killing.

Have to say that before I was called to repentace by Christ and reborn I used to play all the bloody games there are and had no problem with the violence and even after starting to study God's word I continued playing some of those games (which I now view as backsliding from God's word). But while I gained better understanding of the difference between good and evil it was not the blood effects or a like that I found so disgusting that I begun leave those games behind one by one, but it was the "idea of violence" the idea of judgin and destroying others (which is the main thing in every violent game from mario to first person shooters) made me dislike violent games and treat them as garbage.
I still used to play games like rachet and clank but the idea of destroying opponents really isnt spiritually constructive so I have left all games like that and focusing on what is pure and right.

A While back I tested this Christian game called Bible man which was a major disapointment because it was actually about shooting and beating these nerdy human opponents into atoms - really depressing message in that one, no forgiveness because there is no God's word and love in it.

So it all comes to this in why I dont play violent games: There's no mercy because there is no love, because there is no God and thefore no spirit.
Of course in games like chess and other board games there is no God's word either but the difference is that these neutral games truly leave player the decision to think what they want while they play when violent games always have this message: destroy, kill, beat, no mercy

Of course you can play any game with love to others and have fun but it sure is much more easier to me to play games where the game's message it self is good and doesn't mess with my thoughts

I'm not very good to put this in words and I did not plan to write a instructions for any one since I didnt read about what is right and wrong either but it was placed in my heart by God. And I this did not happen in one day but as it is written in the Bible... Thank Jesus!

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buddboy

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wow... that was good Jari... i'm not sure about the whole violent thing, but that doesn't matter because i can't play any 3D violent games... 2D pretty much but not really bad... my parents are strict and i can't play them...

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Jari

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Originally posted by buddboy:
i'm not sure about the whole violent thing, but that doesn't matter because i can't play any 3D violent games...

You are blessed to have such caring parents buddboy and you sure arent missing anything. I wish I wouldnt have ever played all those games so that my mind would be clean from all that filt. But then on the other hand, now I dont have the desire for them any more because I now know how they are like.
So I thank God for planning everything so well with His magnificent wisdom! Man is rebelius and does all kind of sin against Him but He teaches us, if we are willing to learn.

There's much to learn for all of us regarding what is good to do and what isnt. And the best way to learn why not do something seems to be experiencing the consequences. Adam and eve didnt obey God at the first place but I think we can be sure that they wouldnt have taken a second pite from the apple if it would have matter anymore.

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buddboy

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yah... i don't even really like the real violent games... it's just sometimes they are a little too strict... like for example, DK 64... it has a multiplayer mode, right? where you go around fighting with coconut guns and orange bombs and the like... she had to consider if we were allowed to play it!! i mean, come on!!

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HanClinto

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Jari:

Just to clarify, are you talking about graphic violence or violence in general? This is an issue I've been thinking about a fair bit lately, and I'm not sure where I stand on it.

Are you concerned more with the blood/gore aspect?
Or are you talking against violence in general (conflict, hate and fighting)?

Men of violence are portrayed in two lights in scripture -- those who are violent for wrong reasons (Lamech in Genesis) and those who fight for honorable reasons (the Mighty Men who were commended not as much for their violent exploits as they were for their bravery and courage when others failed).

BTW, you mentioned that chess is a neutral thinking game -- but even that game is fundamentally a game that simulates warfare. Is it because chess isn't gory that you don't consider it a violent game?

Thanks!

In Christ,
clint

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CPUFreak91

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I find some violent games boring and other's interesting.
For instance, FarCry and Halo, extremely unrealistic enemies and settings:
I find them a bit boring
Call Of Duty and Battlefield 1942/Vietnam:
Extremely fun (some things may not be acurate) and I'm reliving history. Plus they aren't very gory/bloody

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Lava
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I liked your first post, very good post Jari!

Violence can be destructive and constructive. The US needed to fight to maintain the country's independce, otherwise we would be dominated, on the other hand alot of maiming and killing in entertainemnt and in the world is not nessicary. I also can see some games where you inclined to defend yourself, such as Mario Bros where you will get hurt by the Koopas, unlike Age of Empires which has the conquer-for-no-reason type of message to it, though it is like a chess game, and in the first and 2nd games of Age of Empires you also choose more peaceful means of victory. In my game I am making, Guardian, I want to show violence only in defensive situations, like protecting women and children and at the same time not killing the opponent, I also want the villain to not be defeated by mindless violence, I'm not sure about that aspect, but I want it more than just guns and glory. In other words I want to show the destruction and construction sides of violence.

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Jari

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Hi Clint!

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Jari:
Just to clarify, are you talking about graphic violence or violence in general?

Violence in general because the graphical effects are just the spice.

quote:
Originally posted by HanClinto:
Jari:
Are you concerned more with the blood/gore aspect?
Or are you talking against violence in general (conflict, hate and fighting)?

Both really but the idea of hating and fighting is the root of the evil.

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Jari:
Men of violence are portrayed in two lights in scripture -- those who are violent for wrong reasons (Lamech in Genesis) and those who fight for honorable reasons (the Mighty Men who were commended not as much for their violent exploits as they were for their bravery and courage when others failed).

That's true, they had big responsibility to fight for God and God always gave the enemies into their hands so that they didnt win by their own sword but by God's hand.
And I dont want to play with this especially because the times of killing of pagan nations is over. At least it seems to me that they are, but let him who is without a sin to cast the first stone.

Though not that it matters whether the times are over or not, it still isnt something to play with, at least not for me. Especially because I have do it too much already and it's time live in reality now, in The Truth.

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
Jari:
BTW, you mentioned that chess is a neutral thinking game -- but even that game is fundamentally a game that simulates warfare. Is it because chess isn't gory that you don't consider it a violent game?

Actually I should have said something like "more neutral" when compared to RTS games for example. Because I agree with you, it basically simulates warfare.

I hope this helped.

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HanClinto

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quote:
Originally posted by jari:
I hope this helped.

Yes it did, thanks!

In Christ,
clint