"Caffeine is highly addictive. Quitting coffee can cause withdrawal symptoms such as headaches, sleepiness and irritability. The acidic nature of coffee can lead to stomach ulcers. When the excess acid enters the bloodstream, it also increases calcium loss in urine. Both coffee and tea have no nutritional value. Tannin, the substance that makes tea cups brown and coats tea pots, is used for tanning leather. Imagine the stomach after twenty years of tea drinking."
LOL http://www.freedomyou.com/addiction/caffeine%20addiction.htm (READ LINK)

Short list
1 cause withdrawal symptoms such as headaches, sleepiness and irritability
2 can lead to stomach ulcers
3 no nutritional value
4 Drinking coffee during breast feeding will cause caffeine to be present in mothers' milk.
5 linked to male infertility and also birth defects
6 cause abnormally fast, abnormally slow and irregular heart beats.
7 wreaks havoc on blood pressure
8 linked to heart disease, pancreas and bladder cancer, and hypoglycemia
9 With all stimulants, there is a price to be paid... expect breakdown to occur

"Two apples were given, the untouched apple was eaten hungrily by one baboon, a second baboon received the injected apple. He held it to his jaw, let out an angry screeching sound then tried to attack the experimenter. When he was given a good apple he went off to the corner and ate happily." LOL

------------- Other list why coffee is bad
http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA57092/ (READ LINK)
1 tea and coffee are diuretics – that is, they cause the body to lose water, and makes your dehydrated.
2 your cells start to draw water from the bloodstream
3 Blood gets sludgy, your heart must work harder (wear and tear on your heart)
4 body starts to redirect blood away from less vital areas
5 is a strong stimulant and an addictive drug (people experience withdrawal symptoms similar illegal drugs)
6 negatively impact your health by causing or worsening headaches, anxiety, insomnia, cardiac arrhythmia (palpitations), high blood pressure, gastrointestinal and urinary disorders, prostate trouble and PMS.
7 hat those who drink a lot of coffee often smoke cigarettes, get too little exercise and eat meals too high in fat.

Other info, mixed sources
8 coffee and tobacco as both have been linked to an increased risk for rheumatoid arthritis
9 more than two cups a day may contribute to accelerated bone loss, caffeine increases the amount of calcium you excrete in your urine and decreases the amount that's absorbed by your intestines
10 can cause the urinary loss of other minerals as well, including iron, magnesium, phosphorus, potassium, and sodium,
11 linked coffee consumption to infertility, miscarriage, premature birth, birth defects, and sudden infant death syndrome (six or more cups a day doubles miscarriage)
12 Raises bad cholesterol over 55% if the coffee is not filtered 13 Delays deep sleep and better sleep.
13 for women it aggravating to the urinary tract which can lead to infection
14 Drinking a lot to help you study late night will hurt more and makes the person more moody and the best thing doctors say it to get sleep.
15 Coffee drinkers that take certain pills as well mess up central-nervous-system stimulation (but people are addicted so how can they quit)
16 ****Decaf is even worse caffeine since it uses strong cancerous solvents to pull out the caffeine.
17 some sensitive people it brings on heartburn, indigestion, nervousness, irritability, headaches, muscle tremors, or heart palpitations
18 to some it gives you a boot but, after the affects can knock you down more than if you were not taking it.
19 And this list is about grown ups, your people it is even worse which affects even their brain.
20 Caffeine is a diuretic, and to some degree cause dehydration.
21 psychiatrist and doctors agree that people become or are mental addicts. (which if they can’t quit coffee then it is an indication that they can’t quit other things and they will have other physical and mental problems)
22 coffee helps bring up tinnitus
23 Caffeine can not be used as efficiently as a drug to help people if consumed all the time

------------ Your addicted.
http://www.drweil.com/u/QA/QA3762/ (READ LINK)
"Caffeine can make you jumpy, anxious, and fearful. It can interfere with relaxation, rest, and sleep. What's more, it is an addictive drug.
"you're addicted to coffee and should try to break the habit if"
# You drink coffee daily, usually in the morning.
# Without your morning coffee you feel irritable, can't concentrate, and your mind and body seem to drag.
# You depend on coffee for regular bowel movements.
# Your energy cycle is controlled by coffee -- you're energetic in the morning, but you slow down by late afternoon.
# If you don't drink coffee for 24 to 36 hours, you become lethargic, irritable, and develop a throbbing headache.”

There are people that quit coffee since they got more informed. But so many do not know better, just like smokers how they do not know.

-----------------HOW to quit:
If you decide to give up caffeine (which I recommend), set aside three days to go “cold turkey”. You’ll probably experience headaches and lack energy for the duration so don’t make plans for 48 to 72 hours. To cut back, gradually eliminate a cup per day until you are down to no more than 300 mg of caffeine.

------------ The negative benefits?
Sure caffeine has benefits but that’s why it is used in drugs. Coffee has some good things to it but it does not outweigh the negatives things that it will do to you. Now you want to believe the liberal media's view that it is good for you, and listen to research paid for by coffee companies then that’s your choice. The thing coffee helps you prevent are other bad thing you should avoid. It would be like telling people to play with rusted knifes and if they get cut for them to cut their arm, so just stop playing with rusty knifes. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Why start an endless cycle of bad habits when you can stop it.

One example that coffee can help you prevent is gallstones but you should not have that is you eat, drink, and work out proper. To use coffee as an excuse that it helps you is a cop out from doing other things. It is like taking 1 steps back, use coffee to go one 1 step forward, and then go back one 1 step back again. Also the fact that over 95% of coffee is stale does not help the fact that people like to taste crap and pay top dollar for it. Even star bucks serves up crap and you can get the same thing down the block for half the price. It generally helps peoples health decline which makes people get attached to other bad things.
The problem is that caffeine is addicting and coffee makes the body rely on it and when people have to quit they can’t since they need it. They are slaves to a bean, but call themselves free men in their own sense of the definition of what is free. Even so many doctors that show benefits to coffee do not recommend people to start drinking.

Also soda is bad especially for kids. It should be taken on special occasions but so many that have bad habits are more likely to have soda in the refrigerator most of the times it seems. It also contributes to weaken bones and some of the problems indicated with coffee. It can sometimes be even worse than coffee.
Some other sites http://ms-journeyintoresolution.com/wst_page17.html
http://design.iwebsight.com/mycyber/press/press_nutrition2.htm

You can not expect to be healthy by doing one thing only. Just like pool things have a chain reaction. Some people that decrease or stop drinking a lot of coffee show big results. Don’t be a slave to coffee and many that are drinking will obviously not stop but some that have not started yet it is better if you just don’t.

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22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
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I do agree that caffeine is a drug and has cause problems for some ppl.

Some days when I've been up late for over 5 nights in a row and I need to stay awake for school I'll put caffeine to action.

Buddboy: If you have a problem with caffeine, then coffee, soda pop, regular tea and chocolate aren't a good thing. I have a problem with cheese.... especially expensive delicacy cheese.

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Originally posted by gamer4christ:
yeah, I always knew that caffeine was bad for me, but I never knew to what extent, so I usually drink two cans of coke a day, lol... since I have read what caffeince can do to you... I have not had a coke, or any source of caffeine for five days... major headaches due to this, but I expected as much. I am doing good, lol... fighting off any major urges for caffeince.

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Ouch! That's not nice. I've learned to drink the drink, but without the caffeine. IE:
Tp get off your dependency of coffee, drink decaf. To get off you dependency of coke, drink uncaffinated soda (sure it will taste different but the bubbles give the sensation). For tea, try Celestial Seasonings.

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However I must admit that I have drink coffee too, but just a few times and only half cup or so. Because I really dont want to start drinking regularly.
And you can get your head dizzy even for little coffee, so stay clear of it you all.

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For everyone that is trying to stop, has stopped, or doesn’t drink then good for you. Congrats to Questleader, Brandon, Gamer4christ, and Jari, and the rest good luck.

Buddboy
Be a Christian and try to do the right thing. What reasons would make you stop? When you are not healthy? The best medical advice is to prevent from needing a doctor.

Brandon
All-nighters might be more harmful and if you want energy try to fruit drink as some nutritionists say.

CPU
Did you read my post? Decaf is worse as stated “it uses strong cancerous solvents to pull out the caffeine.”

Gamer4christ
Try limiting soda as well and do not drink soda on an empty stomach many times or you will get an ulcer (hole in stomach). Good for you that you try not to drink and you are feeling the head ach withdrawal since your body is use to it, and it needs to balance out. Read the tips on how to quit. Good luck.

Jari
When people think they are strong that is when they are most vulnerable to be addicted to anything. For some they need more since their body got use to it since it has no effect.

PS. Also sorry for the typos in the original post but it will not let me edit it for some odd reason.

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22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

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CPU
Did you read my post? Decaf is worse as stated “it uses strong cancerous solvents to pull out the caffeine.”

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However (It's more expensive) there are natural non-cancerous solvents in naturally decafinated coffe (My mom prefers me drinking caffinated coffee over non-naturally decafinated).

Fruit drinks for all nighters. That sounds much better than coffee!
I might try that some morning.

But even so. I think I will seriously quit drinking the little bit of coffee (caffinated or not) that I consume every few days. Thanks man!

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Besides there is no good replacements. I get tired of sweet drinks easly, and I don't like herbal tea.

Well, you gotta die from something... I mean, eating fat, like fast-food, is also bad, and can be addictive. Almost anything you eat or drink has something in it which can kill you. :P

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Although my sister (Who still drinks cokes and pepsi...) drank all of the grape juice, lol, but oh well, lol.

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Hahaha! That's funny. I've noticed water gives me energy. And drinking hot water (strange as it sounds) actually gives me a feeling of refeshment now the way all hot (caffinated or not) drinks give me.

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while I don't think caffiene is bad, when in excess, like all things, would be a problem.

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Originally posted by ArchAngel:
once you guys drink ballz, then you can talk to me about caffiene content.

while I don't think caffiene is bad, when in excess, like all things, would be a problem.

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lol, yes. You can also get caffinated mints from thinkgeek.com

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Vincent
Everyone dies but do you want to suffer and die younger? Everything to moderation and when you have addiction in the mix then it’s a sign to steer clear.

Capn
Well obviously some alternative drinks will not have an affect since the body is use to the caffeine for energy. Look at jack La Lanne how full of energy he is despite his age while other that drink coffee all the time at his age look, act and feel bad.

Arch
Yeah everything to moderation but most place the moderation bad way off. The fact that something addicting can not guarantee that you will maintain the moderation level as Jari pointed out about his brother. Also it is negative image to present to other just like smoking to moderation which many over do it. If you want moderation then you should not be dependant on drugs that you don’t need on a daily basis. Maybe on special occasions it might be ok but if some can not handle it to think that they miss it or like the feeling they get from it then they should not take it. Even having junk food once in a while like a month or a year is moderation and that isn’t addicting unlike coffee. People become slaves to their senses which is not a Christian or healthy thing to do.

------What “Jack La Lanne” thinks
“Q: You certainly are living proof that fitness and lifestyle make a difference. To what do you attribute your health and longevity?
A: My fitness routine and believing in what I do. I work at living. The simplest thing to do is dying. Do you know how many people work at dying? Would you get your dog up in the morning and give him a cup of coffee, a cigarette, and a doughnut? But how many millions of Americans got up this morning with that kind of breakfast? And they wonder why they are sick, tired, and unable to live out their life span. They are working at dying. They are putting the wrong fuel in this human machine.” http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1189/is_6_272/ai_66456052

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23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

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Arch
Yeah everything to moderation but most place the moderation bad way off. The fact that something addicting can not guarantee that you will maintain the moderation level as Jari pointed out about his brother. Also it is negative image to present to other just like smoking to moderation which many over do it. If you want moderation then you should not be dependant on drugs that you don’t need on a daily basis. Maybe on special occasions it might be ok but if some can not handle it to think that they miss it or like the feeling they get from it then they should not take it. Even having junk food once in a while like a month or a year is moderation and that isn’t addicting unlike coffee. People become slaves to their senses which is not a Christian or healthy thing to do.

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Well I said enough about coffee but the good thing about coffee does not outweigh the bad things.

The member Gamer4christ as stated above feels better. Even Jack La Lanne as I quoted is 91 and he is full of energy with no coffee and looks young, compared to others his age that work out and eat and drink bad things.

I don’t remember Paul saying that. But as I said before everything to moderation which many put the level way off from especially when they are dealing with addicting substances.

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22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

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I don’t remember Paul saying that. But as I said before everything to moderation which many put the level way off from especially when they are dealing with addicting substances.

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New topic: What's your comment on caffine alternatives such as Guarana?(sp?) Common for many energy drinks now.

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