So if anyone disagrees to this marriage they discriminate, they don’t let others be happy, they are sexist, racist, anti Semites, anti dolphin, anti everything. lol Being too liberal tends to warp the mind. I wonder what kind of church or judge married her, and if so they should be arrested and not her since she needs medical attention. Just like the people that try to make animals into Christians need medical attention or am I anti-animal.

http://me.heatmax.illusionfxnet.com/?cat=1
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/woman-weds-dolphin/2005/12/30/1135732715098.html
http://www.pointsofjew.com/ (another story on this site says they are trying to take away Christmas in a way)
They want to start a trend it seems and the odd thing is that eventually fools will follow just like the gay movement.

more results on http://www.dogpile.com if you search for= "Sharon Tendler" dolphin

So if she was Christian and did this does it means it is ok if she says she believes in Christ? I don’t get how some marry the same sex but people are messed up.

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you are kidding that you can be arrested for being against gays? In what way? If I say I am against the act or homosexuality will I be arrested for that? and under what charges? Canada seems to be very liberal.

quest
sleeping with fish, that’s a good one. lol

Brandon
You supported the others in here to bring animals in churches to pray and give them Christian names, which eventually people will treat their animals like humans more ways than one. for each person to compromise then we will do a 180 from the original view. You still didn’t answer me what that picture is of. When Christians keep compromising what else do they expect the next generation to do which is the same to compromise what their fathers did and their kids will compromise what they did and so on. People have to stand strong and not change and distort which is a hard thing but the right thing.

As I say many times what was bad 50 years ago is ok now and what is bad not will be ok 50 years from now. Obviously everyone wants to do what is right and some over do it to the point it is dangerous. I am surprised people didn’t complain that the women was Jewish and would complain for me to not post it and wait until a Christian or atheist did. Well people have been doing bestiality for many centuries and even in some cultures it is ok which I won’t say since people will complain about the truth and someone else will come in and give more info like Simontempler to say the history.

Also since they say marriage is of a man and women, then the gays go over and don’t go though the government process to present it to legislation, congress etc, but they go to a judge which the judge is out of line to give them the rights which they should really arrest the judge for being a renegade since he is supposed to interpreted the law and not make new laws. Go it’s from man and women, to humans, to mammal, to polygamy, to Sodom and Gomorra which many Christians will burn with it since even though over 85% of Christians in the US they help support the majority of immoral activities since they do not practice it which makes atheists look more Christian than them.

To be a Christian it takes more than just having faith in Christ, but to act and do what he said. People should not just talk the talk, but walk the walk or else they are talking hot air.

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You supported the others in here to bring animals in churches to pray and give them Christian names, which eventually people will treat their animals like humans more ways than one. for each person to compromise then we will do a 180 from the original view.

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What are you talking about? I have not said or supported anything about bringing animals in churches. If you think that I have then can you show me where? And how can a name be a Christian name?

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True, you must do more than BELIEVE in Christ. You must COMMIT yourself to Him. (In the New Testament the greek word translated to 'believe' and 'commit' are the same) Yes, I know this and have done so. If someone is really a Christian, then the person will want to live a life committed to Christ. The Fruits of the Spirit will be evident.

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You supported the others in here to bring animals in churches to pray and give them Christian names, which eventually people will treat their animals like humans more ways than one. for each person to compromise then we will do a 180 from the original view.

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LET THEM DO IT

WHY??

because---those who want to go gay or animal-sexual or whatever have 1 inevitable end--extinction---look at it guys---you have to have a guy with a girl to continue the species of humans----and, if you have guy on guy, girl on girl or person on zoo display-------they can't produce so---in theory---they should be 'naturally selected' out in a few years LOL---that is why I think gaynes is so weird--God built sex drive into us so we could reproduce and not go extinct and then people are like 'Well gee goodness the dinosaurs did that extinction thing so it MUST be popular!!'

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Zooky, lol. Well I saw an article on discovery channel about how there was a half monkey-half human offspring. It looked creepey, because its almost like breaking a taboo or something when people do that... and just the sight of that thing sent shivers down my spine. I truly hope that that's not the future of mankind. And if it is, I hope Jesus comes back before the world gets that bad.

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for real???? I thought we were similar but couldn't breed-----well, that is man playing God for ya which will be mankind's ultimate downfall anyways (I read somewhere that 666 actually trasnlates to 'man is god'--so kinda ties together)

Brandon: Please take into account the tone of my post--I was trying to lighten the topic by joking there is many loopholes in the statements I made I only said them to crack people up. On that note though---some people you just have to let them be stupid---you can make a difference in anybody's life by living Jesus's principals and walking the walk---but some people are going to be stupid no matter what and sometimes you are wasting energy trying to correct them-----if someone is emotionally out there enough to marry a dolphin (or get laid with a monkey for that matter--or maybe sleeping with a monkey should just be labled as desperate)---likely they won't listen to common sense LOL

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what cracks me up is that Stalin wanted them to create supersoldiers.

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most things have a natural "spermicide" that kills anything that isnt from the same species(is this the right level of familiarity?). Thus you cant mix a dog and a cat, but you can mix 2 dogs, etc..

Unless we are genetically similar enough to the chimp that the sperm is accepted.
could be a hoax. btw (i know, this is sick curiosity), was the thing born of a human female or of a chimp? im guessing the chimp was the female...

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yeah, the humanzee is not fully verified, but there has been tales. and stuff that seem like a hybrid.

what cracks me up is that Stalin wanted them to create supersoldiers.

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I would almost thing it is a 733t photoshop mod LOL
I think it is like crazyishone said---too different the sperm wouldn't work----but goodness knows someone out there probably tried-----Disney should rot in heck for making the movie Tarzan and putting such notions in weirdo's heads!!
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frankly, I'm just gonna think about cool stuff like Minotaurs and Centaurs. this monkey stuff is kinda gross.

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lol. well, hybrids such as the Liger and the Mule do exist. and chimp dna is supposedly close to ours. and there is that freaky story of Oliver. but, insemination isn't the only way to make a halfer. and I don't know about this spermicide. don't think women have something that checks if the right dna is coming through, like airport security.

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WELL OF COURSE LIGERS EXIST!! They are bred for their strong abilities in Magic(*wonders how many out there will catch the reference)!! LOL jk actually tho I saw a picture of one once---since Lions and Tigers are cats they can both be mated-----I remember in Biology they said at the beginning of the year that we definately evolved from apes because our dna is 90% similar---yet at the end of the year they said that we are 90% similar to ANY animal with DNA----so my friends and I joked about starting a cult whose core belief was we evolved from zebras.

On that note tho--kind of funny---evolution is only supposed to happen when a species proves to be inferior for its' environment and has to change to adapt----if that is the case and we evolved from apes--how come apes are still here? Shouldn't they have died out or something? LOL there is so many loopholes in that kind of stuff that they DON'T cover in textbooks---any point of view out there asks you to take a leap of faith I guess!

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What is the picture you have under your name (in other words the pagan word avatar)?
That’s is an interesting in what you said that “(In the New Testament the greek word translated to 'believe' and 'commit' are the same)” Also that is one example of what I was saying in the Orthodox post about translation. But anyway where did you find that correlation? Which is what I mean in other posts that just because someone says (believe) they are Christian doesn’t mean they are (committed), but people have to be which that as you pointed out have to go togeather. Too bad the other member metalmike i think his name is didn't understand this.

Archangel
Obviously you would say such things about animals in church but I figure no reason to point out your name. And I explained it which you don’t seem to want to think about it. If I say 1+1=2 you will say that it could be 11 and if you are going to think that way then there is no need for me to explain any further since you don’t want to understand so good luck with your negative assumptions. But you do what you do, but you should at least talk to a professional. Even Brandon doesn’t agree with you about animals in churches, but non orthodox churches are more like Christian communities than churches so I guess maybe you are right that you can do whatever you want in them which is why you say to bring animals in your Christian community.

this is what the biology teaching guy tells us, anyway. like zookey said, ligers exist because both lions and tigers are felines. both donkeys and horses are part of the same thing. (i believe the term for these groups is "genus"...)

perhaps chimpanzees and humans are as well. you could never have a dog/human or a cat/human thing through insemination. The egg rejects the sperm. (or the sperm is killed. not sure exactly what happens).

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Second of all, you have this view that whatever you say is correct by default, while everybody else is on a limb. there is no real scriptural reference saying that an animal cannot enter a church nor can it be given a name like "paul."
you say I'm a liberal, you say I don't think about the issue, you say I am closeminded to the truth. frankly, I see those in you. you refuse to accept any other viewpoint as a possibility of truth. you chug ahead as the stereotypical fundementalist without any thought on the validity of what you say. you give no backing to what you say, but expect everybody to fall before your "impressive" arguements. if you want to make your point, prove it, instead of continually stating how the opposing party is closeminded.
frankly, your arguements have to be some of the worse I've come across, and I've debated with both conservatives and liberals; more liberals than conservatives. basically, don't expect me to concede unless you could come up with an atleast decent contention.

although, I will say, you are no liberal; you don't pretend to be tolerant.

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you do understand that many of here are not orthodox, and do not place much emphasis on rituals and icons. The church building is not sacred; our body's, the temple of God, is. you need to clearly explain your stance, instead of saying what you believe, and call people who do not agree with you closeminded liberals. (heh... oxymoron.. liberals are usually so openminded their brains have fallen out...)
and a link to a less-than-credentialed website is not considered a solid proof. that jtf place was horrendous. yes, dare I say, even worse than air america.

so, you state that Brandon agrees with you, and not me. okay, let's prove it. either of us could be right or wrong in this, and the next question will make it clear.

Brandon, do you think it is morally wrong to bring an animal into a church building?
if you don't want to answer it, you don't have to; but an answer would be appreciated.

ah, Crazyishone, I see what your saying.

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Short answer: No.

Longer explained answer: I'd say it depends on the motive of the person that does it. Okay, let's assume that no one has ever said anything about bringing a dog into a church building. On Sunday a wild and cheerful 16 year old kid brings his dog to show off to his friends. In that case, no I don't think that it's morally wrong. In another one lets say that after this happened some of the older ladies got upset and said that it was a careless and disrespectful thing to do, and they get together with some people who are in control of things, and they say that you cannot bring animals into the building anymore. If he brings it again next week knowing that he's being disobedient, then it would be morally wrong. But as for a dog sitting in a church building, I don't think that it's wrong, or that God would strike it dead or anything. Just as don't think that it'd be wrong for a blind person to bring his seeing dog in to a church building. I think that the question in itself is hard to answer because of the word 'morally' It really depends on why the person is doing it. With all that said, I do think that it'd be inappropriate in our culture, mainly because of the way that many church services are carried out these days.

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I didn’t say you support it, I just said you sided with then. Also saints name is a Christian name which many Christians like protestants don’t believe in saints unlike the original church so it doesn’t matter what they do which is why they do it. I should post about the historical foundation of the protestant religion as well but I didn’t have enough time.

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What I basically said in that post, was that the rule you gave was not Biblical. Hey, why do you call it "the protestant religion"? That really doesn't sit well with me. I would think that it'd be correct to call it Christianity if the central focus is on Jesus Christ, His life, death, and resurrection.

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That’s is an interesting in what you said that “(In the New Testament the Greek word translated to 'believe' and 'commit' are the same)” Also that is one example of what I was saying in the Orthodox post about translation. But anyway where did you find that correlation? Which is what I mean in other posts that just because someone says (believe) they are Christian doesn’t mean they are (committed), but people have to be which that as you pointed out have to go together. Too bad the other member metalmike i think his name is didn't understand this.

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Yeah, what I was trying to get at when I said that is that the word means literally 'commit', as in actively living it out, not simple head knowledge. (I was told that by my pastor, who is a New Testament Greek professor who's been teaching New Testament Greek for more than 25 years. Guess I should have said so eh? Actually I'm trying to learn Greek myself right now.) If someone says that they believe something, and they are telling the truth then their actions will be proof of their true beliefs.

And finally, I've learned to read the Bible and come to God from a stand point where I am willing to learn the pure truth. I am not interested in studying the bible in an attempt to find something that sides with my point of view. I study the Bible to see what God has to say.

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Every time you post you always distort what I say. Maybe you should take your own advice. I didn’t say his picture is pagan. The word "avatar is a reincarnation of a deity in human form". I just find that word imporper.

You sure act like a liberal since they distort and attack which makes since why you take what the bible says the wrong way as well. And you sure misunderstand and think you know better. Go talk to an orthodox priest or catholic priest about bringing animals in churches, but they wont even allow you to pass 1/2 way though an orthodox church let alone bringing an animal in it. You don’t see this before 500 years ago. You ignore the facts and then you ask for facts. It’s like me presenting water to you but you complain that I don’t tip your head back and pour the water in your mouth. I have already shown you enough examples and if you care to know more then go find out and stop letting others do the work for you. I didn’t expect someone to say that it’s ok to bring animals to church to pray with you which most Christians will disagree. Maybe it is ok at the religious gathering you go to since its not a church but they will lock you up if you do that in most churches, but I guess you think you know better.
Others are not close minded in her and opinions are presented without attacks but you seem to like to take what I say the wrong way.

Well that’s you opinion about churches, but that doesn’t mean that your opinion outweighs what priest have said for 2000 years.
As for jtf you wanted a Jewish opinion lol. I even quoted from statistics which you completely ignored that, and it shows that you don’t care to listen to facts. Keep ignoring and see how far it gets you. And again if you want to understand then you have to look for an opposing view of yours since when you give effort to look for answers you appreciate better, and for me to give you the answers would be worthless since its easy come easy go, in one ear out the other. Another thing to get a view is to write a list of why your view is right, then write an equally long list and strong argument to say why it so wrong. In that method you learn new things and make a better judgment. If you keep talking to me I might change your religion or at least your sect. lol Which did make some open minded Protestants question their religion to make them look for another one. Maybe you might think that’s bad but they say thanks you. I don’t put people to anything, and even an ex Jew wanted to be Orthodox but told him no way and so he became Buddhist. Maybe you might disagree but diluting Christianity only helps distort the message and dilute the meaning which is why you get pastors that push for homosexuality, and so many encourage divorce, and the slew of other diluted Christian beliefs.

Whatever, I say too much and it just goes in one ear and out the other.

Brandon
A church is not a place to show off a dog it is to pray. What next say it’s ok to sell thing in church? Or should Christ come in and kick everyone out and say everyone is making it to a barn yard or a den of thieves than a church. Do your business or don’t go their at all. Do you honestly need someone to tell you not to bring it so that you bring it? What next it’s ok to have a merchant shop in the church and wait for Christ to come and say no. God didn’t strike the merchant before Christ said it but you know Christ didn’t like it and got mad. God lets you do what you do and will not interfere with how far you mess things up since you have to figure things out.

I don’t call Protestantism Christianity, and it is appropriate since it has a slew of things that make it distinct form the origins of Christianity. You might as well say that a historian is Christian since they reference on it, or a Muslim is Christian. I stand by it and I will post later in a new thread about it when I have time. Some can be kings and make their own christian religion and change it to divorce and kill their wives, and a regular joe can make his or her own to change a few more thing to say to marry many women. Everything is ok if you have money and the root to all evil is what helped make most sects thrive. Their can be only one, so 99% have some major falw just like a small crack in a glass that grows and changes direction. Even something as small as 2 lines that are only .01 degrees off where you can see how far away they are after the time it travels which one stays true one course while the other reaches the other side of the gloab, and all just becasue of .01 degree.

As for the picture when is it from? A comic book? A game?

So your pastor read the Greek NT? Didn’t you complain in the other post that the translation is just as good as the original when I said no? Well that’s good that he does. I guess some will learn eventually so why do I bother saying things.
As for studying the bible that is a good way to look at it and you have to be humble to do that effectively.

eh. makes sense.

anyway, point was you can have successful breeding within the same main group of things.

but that is an interesting fact.

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A church is not a place to show off a dog it is to pray. What next say it’s ok to sell thing in church? Or should Christ come in and kick everyone out and say everyone is making it to a barn yard or a den of thieves than a church. Do your business or don’t go their at all. Do you honestly need someone to tell you not to bring it so that you bring it? What next it’s ok to have a merchant shop in the church and wait for Christ to come and say no. God didn’t strike the merchant before Christ said it but you know Christ didn’t like it and got mad. God lets you do what you do and will not interfere with how far you mess things up since you have to figure things out.

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Did I not say that it'd be inappropriate? It is very clear to me now by your response that to judge a man's morality is only something that God can do. Because no matter hard I try you seem to 'read' me all wrong. OK, Since I said that it is inappropriate, then to me it would not be the best thing to do. But I will not say that it is morally wrong because the act in itself cannot be so. It would be an indecent thing to do. But only God can judge and say if something like that is morally wrong or not, because only He can know our hearts and the motives behind the things we do. Please understand though, I am not speaking of things that are so naturally known of as wrong and evil... like rape or murder. But I am speaking of other things which are neither right nor wrong.

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I don’t call Protestantism Christianity, and it is appropriate since it has a slew of things that make it distinct form the origins of Christianity. You might as well say that a historian is Christian since they reference on it, or a Muslim is Christian. I stand by it and I will post later in a new thread about it when I have time. Some can be kings and make their own christian religion and change it to divorce and kill their wives, and a regular joe can make his or her own to change a few more thing to say to marry many women. Everything is ok if you have money and the root to all evil is what helped make most sects thrive. Their can be only one, so 99% have some major falw just like a small crack in a glass that grows and changes direction. Even something as small as 2 lines that are only .01 degrees off where you can see how far away they are after the time it travels which one stays true one course while the other reaches the other side of the gloab, and all just becasue of .01 degree.

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Well I think you're wrong. How can you compare a muslim or a historian (one who is not a follower of Christ) to a person that believes Jesus is who He said He is, lives their life committed to Him, and effectively wins souls to Christ? To me this is not a proper comparison. You are not speaking as if a follower of Christ should. For the Word of God says:

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

This cannot be explained away. You are saying that someone must follow tradition and rites in order to be saved, while I see no evidence of the Bible saying so. These things that we touch and do in this world will one day perish... but my relationship with God is eternal.

I see what you mean about the .01 degrees off and how that magnifies over time. But take a look at the Bible and you will see that it has not changed. It is the same. People may try to make it say different things (by taking it out of context) but the same message that was written those many centuries ago is still there, undisturbed and is still just as powerful... because it is the eternal Word of God. When people follow a certain protestant, roman catholic, or even eastern orthodox sect as if it were God's Holy Word, then that's where problems arise. We people can get off track in things, even in tradition, but God's Word will never pass away, and it is the only unchanging truth that we can rely on.

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Yeah, of course he does. As in translation are you speaking of the KJV, NASV, NIV, etc..? If that's what you mean, then no, I don't remember saying that they are as accurate as the original text of the New Testament. However the Message is definitely there. So if you mean are they as good as in, can God use the Bible Translations to convict and save the lost (which is the bottom line), then yes, the translations are just as good. But as for being as accurate, no. The Greek language as used in the New Testament times was the most precise and exact language to ever exist within the human race.

Warsong, I don't know but do you think it's possible that perhaps you can learn a thing or two? And that you don't know everything that there is to know? Just wondering because I have seen no reason to believe that you think so at the moment.

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moving on...

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You sure act like a liberal since they distort and attack which makes since why you take what the bible says the wrong way as well.

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frankly, you have given me no scripture that I have disregarded. you mentioned the verse about feeding pearls to swine, but again, I don't see how the two are connected. if you read the verse in any form of context, it's talking about constructive criticism and to those who can't take it.
interestingly enough... that verse probably applies to both of us here..
and those statistics, they don't say that the black culture is bad, all they say is that many black individuals suffer depravity, or what not.
part of critical thinking is taking correlations for what they are, and not extrapolating unfounded causes and effects. I hold still hold that the gang culture is infiltrating black communities and that is the problem. nothing you have stated proved that wrong.
anyhow, moving on...

no matter how many times you say something, it doesn't add validity. all I heard is that I am wrong, ignorant and liberal, but nothing to back it up. you may not know this, but I do not think I am wrong; i think my view is correct. from the standpoint of your arguement, it almost seems that you think that I think I am wrong and you are right. so, I'm supposed to drop all my beliefs and adopt yours just because you said the right way is your way?
I don't know if I can possibly take you seriously. anybody can say it, can you back it up? maybe, if you can earn my respect, I'll take you by your word, but frankly, every post you make makes me more and more sorry for your ignorance.
stop whining and give me some real scripture. or else, stop making yourself look bad.

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and lastly, on the point of the mules and stuff, some of them can have offspring, for example, the female Liger can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liger
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Muslims believe in Christ as well they say, and even in the book they have more stories of Christ which they are wrong. Even you said it takes more than believe but acting it out which the majority does not. I agree with the Protestant Bill Graham when he said people are going to hell in a hand basket. Obviously the Muslim religion is too far off and that is an extreme example but I am just showing an extreme example. I will comment about what you said later since this is not the proper post for it. As for your other points about traditions, the bible doesn’t say a lot, it doesn’t say for you to make a cross, doesn’t tell you to have a cross, saints, doesn’t tell you to go to church every Sunday, doesn’t say a lot of things that you and many Christians do. I hope you read the links I gave you before in the other posts to get a better idea but I get the feeling you didn’t not look at it enough, but you do what you feel comfortable doing. Even divorce has gone more rampant in protestant sect which is a shame. They push for psychologist to take care of marital problems instead of priests which as the statistics show it does help to the increase in divorce rates.

As for the .01% the origins are the same as you say but the interpretations are different and you know that. Gods changing words don’t change, but people change what God means which brings on that .01%. Every little thing adds on to one big thing. One example is that for many years’ people thought that “do to others what you want others to do to you” was to do an eye for an eye. Or the Catholic Church about how they repent which gives people false repentance and they do it again. Many religions encourage sin unintentionally since they do not follow it right. Everyone means well but not everyone gets it.

As for animals they are not there for the sacrament, participate in the religious service while someone that is busy praying cleans up after it while everyone sells the animals business.

Also about time you give a link to pic LOL. nice site its fantasy art in a way. Your small blurry picture made it look more cartoonish than how the site presents it.
There is a saying by Socrates I think that went like “all I know is that I know nothing” Or another one that says “he who thinks they know it all knows nothing” lol don’t worry about me, I am more cautious than you think. But you have to admit you have a lot to learn about Christianity and you are not even close to understanding it well which you have to be humble as well to admit. Good luck

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You don’t have to be the same sect as the other priests to ask questions, but you do have to be open minded and humble to do so. You say what you say since you do not know enough which is a shame. Jesus is the main priest as you say and he has his disciples and so on. If you only take Christ word then you might as well throw away the bible since his disciples and their disciples help present it to you. As the saying goes “he who thinks they know it all knows nothing” So say you know nothing and do it. You have to admit that priests that have been in school for many years to learn the religion and have many years of experience but you think you know more, so then your also probably how to be a lawyer, doctor, or architect since that takes just as many years to learn. Keep on thinking you are correct and think how far it gets you, and to call other ignorant is not helping your argument as well. If you want to distort scripture to the way you want to see it then maybe you are beyond saving even though you might think you are in good standing. You are afraid to hear another side which could explain why you twist things about, and to go to another priest then you will defiantly be afraid for many reasons. Don’t let fear drive you.

It is sad how you ignore the basic things and its like trying to explain to you why milk is white and you want to think it’s green even if shown reasonable info. I don’t know if it is that you don’t or can’t understand or maybe both but in the end you will not get it. I know that explain thing to you is a waste of time mostly but at least others will read it. I can not explain when the other doesn’t want to listen and thinks they are right, you have to be a little more humble like Brandon or Simontempler for example.

You know that the bible has many metaphors and have many meaning? Don’t take everything literally or you might poke your eye out since it causes you to sin.

As for black culture, don’t get the people confused with the beliefs.
Most beliefs are wrong and some are more wrong than others. Even you were whining to not compare Hitler’s book to the Muslim religion but if you want to close your eyes and not see it then that’s not my problem. It’s a good thing simple knows his history better than most so I didn’t need to explain anything to him. I didn’t like that he explained it since people should lean it their own to appreciate it more, but I guess everyone doesn’t want to try and truly learn, but mostly look for things to justify their views which is not Christian.

As for a liger they are worthless, they need to eat a lot and do less. Don’t expect that site to tell you everything but expect a general info.

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You are afraid to hear another side which could explain why you twist things about, and to go to another priest then you will defiantly be afraid for many reasons. Don’t let fear drive you.

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You have to admit that priests that have been in school for many years to learn the religion and have many years of experience but you think you know more, so then your also probably how to be a lawyer, doctor, or architect since that takes just as many years to learn.

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don't get me wrong, I'm not devalueing professional opinions, etc. I listen and read what people smarter than I say, and I take it into consideration. These people have studied the bible for years also, and guess what? they disagree with both the catholic church and the orthodox church? who knew?
but I never just take their word for it. God gave his Word to all of us; I don't need to go to a seminary for 5 years to realize that simple truths stated in it. if orthodox is the way, I should go that way; if not, then no.

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You know that the bible has many metaphors and have many meaning? Don’t take everything literally or you might poke your eye out since it causes you to sin.

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all I hear from you is that I am wrong, and nothing to prove it. you talk about me being humble, yet you are the most arrogant person on this board. forgive me if your words mean very little to me.
all you say is how I deny the truth, yet you fail to prove in any way. I'm not going to take some guy on the internet for his word and change my entire view. it's stupid and foolish. stop telling me how I am rejecting the truth and show me it. until you actually start making arguements and stop with this ad hominem, I'll have to go with the Metadebate approach and say you have not met the burden of proof.

and lastly... ligers rock. they are like twice the size of the siberian tiger. that in itself is just cool. so what if they eat alot and do very little... is that really any different from the average american? I'd say average human, but they don't eat as much as we do.

one wikipedia article has given me more info than all of your posts combined. you aren't the one to criticize them for not giving direct information.

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You can point out where someone is wrong. To judge someone is to tell them they are going to hell. Just like if you saw a person that is going to rob a store you tell them not to or else they will go to jail, but we know you are not a judge so are you wrong? Obviously not but you do not have the final word and power to place them in jail and are giving a warning by what you know. Your example shows that you get it. But for more details people should ask a professional as I have stated before.

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I agree with warning someone. Like telling them that they are violating the law, and telling them the consequence for breaking it. Thank God that there is a Redeemer! He is our Kinsman Redeemer

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No, I don't expect it to. We (Christians) have the Spirit that bears witness with us, and He convicts us of what's wrong and what we should not be doing. We need to keep in tune and listen to Him.

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As for your other points about traditions, the bible doesn’t say a lot, it doesn’t say for you to make a cross, doesn’t tell you to have a cross, saints, doesn’t tell you to go to church every Sunday, doesn’t say a lot of things that you and many Christians do. I hope you read the links I gave you before in the other posts to get a better idea but I get the feeling you didn’t not look at it enough, but you do what you feel comfortable doing.

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Making a cross, and going to church on Sunday? Those things have nothing to do with being a Christian. As for doing what I feel comfortable. I won't. No, I will not do something just because it feels comfortable for me to do. I want to do what is right whether it is comfortable or not.

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Even divorce has gone more rampant in protestant sect which is a shame. They push for psychologist to take care of marital problems instead of priests which as the statistics show it does help to the increase in divorce rates.

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I know and can relate to divorce... as I was raised from the age of 14 in a home with no father. I don't push for psychologists to take care of marital problems, nor do I know anyone who wants that. I think that the Bible teaches what marriage should be based on, and what it's all about.

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As for the .01% the origins are the same as you say but the interpretations are different and you know that. Gods changing words don’t change, but people change what God means which brings on that .01%. Every little thing adds on to one big thing. One example is that for many years’ people thought that “do to others what you want others to do to you” was to do an eye for an eye.

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Perhaps if they had only studied the Bible for themselves while being fed the false doctrine then they would have seen that "do to others as you'd have them do unto you" was not "eye for an eye!"

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I like this following quote by Charles Spurgeon: "I would sooner bring one sinner to Jesus than unravel all the mysteries of the Word, for salvation is the thing we are to live for." Amen to that.

We don't have to understand everything about Christianity in order to believe that it's true. We need to be seeking after Jesus Christ Himself, and trying to be more like Him. I am not close to understanding Him fully... but I do know Him quite well. How about you?

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props on both of your contentions.

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If all you have is Protestantism maybe its’ better than nothing, but for best results you know where to go.
I don’t agree with both theories since I don’t follow the old and I don’t follow ex-Protestant delusions of evolution.
As for catholic priests they many over then of thousand cases of pedophiles in the church which is a haven for them since pedophilia is not allowed. Priests should get married and if they don’t they should not be around kids which I don’t get what the catholic church is doing to bring gay men and women in which the federal government as a big rap sheer and confession of many catholic priests which the catholic church doesn’t do anything because a big chunk of priests would be fired and no one to do the communion. As for Buddhist, like budboy said its more like a philosophy, and they are very liberal and are ok with a lot of debauchery. And in your opinion why is orthodoxy not credible to you? What is it too conservative since it doesn’t change? You won’t see an orthodox church supporting gay marriage unlike a few protestant churches.
You have to hear what people more experienced than the people you read and more experience and no one has 2000 years experience as the Orthodox Church and most have only 200 years. There is a reason why some disagree since they benefit, they don’t know the language so well which is why you have many different bibles which Brandon pointed out one example, orthodox has always been attacked by the other churches like the Catholics in the crusades which they got a lot of power and money from attacking it and helped spread the Muslim religion because of it, and the protestants attack orthodox countries and bomb many churches and which helped Muslims burn all (over 100) Orthodox churches to bring in Muslims in, more orthodox people dies in the world wars and got no aid, and the list goes on with more BS. Once you think you know that is when you don’t know. Like the Machiavelli (nick name the devil) which was a protestant or a former one said “don’t let your left hand know what the right hand is doing”, so don’t believe everything. In my opinion I think people should not convert if they don’t really believe it and that goes for people that marry another and don’t convert for God but for the other which dilutes the religion.

Well do you say you are always right? I even say to Brandon that he is wrong and he is humble enough to say he is not perfect just like everyone else. When I say something you reply with spite and verbal attacks sometimes. Come on try to have a level head. Its fun talking to Brandon even if we disagree but with you its can be annoying. I don t want you to listen to me or believe me, but I say my point of view and point you to a direction to ask for more which you mostly give excuses which as I said I am not going to force you to drink if you are thirsty, but you are not thirsty for knowledge and you are content so tell God you are content. And say I am to blame for everything and see what reaction you get.
So if you want to read my posts fine, if you have a question fine, if you have an opinion I don’t care since I know its going to be redundant just like my replies to you.

As for wikipedia it was on cnn and they said how it has errors and the owner said it and that its people putting what they know and not everything about it which many things will have errors that are not true.

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Breath bud

again, I will say that these points are not meant as a person attack to you, but rather a collection of my observations. I had suffered many of those myself when I was younger and so I recognize them as symptoms of childish thinking. And I am definetly not making the rather presumptuous claim that I am over any of these.

I really want to stop with this banter about personal mattes in debate. I will, of course, read and consider your response to this; it is only fair. Other than that, I do not wish to continue along this path of the debate, and I will only respond to the points you make to prove your point, if you so wish to do so.
I apologize for any personal attacks I might have made, they are out of line.

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have to hear what people more experienced than the people you read and more experience and no one has 2000 years experience as the Orthodox Church and most have only 200 years. There is a reason why some disagree since they benefit, they don’t know the language so well which is why you have many different bibles which Brandon pointed out one example, orthodox has always been attacked by the other churches like the Catholics in the crusades which they got a lot of power and money from attacking it and helped spread the Muslim religion because of it, and the protestants attack orthodox countries and bomb many churches and which helped Muslims burn all (over 100) Orthodox churches to bring in Muslims in, more orthodox people dies in the world wars and got no aid, and the list goes on with more BS. Once you think you know that is when you don’t know. Like the Machiavelli (nick name the devil) which was a protestant or a former one said “don’t let your left hand know what the right hand is doing”, so don’t believe everything.

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You say you are not familiar with orthodoxy but I have posted many pages in the religious forum about it which you can read the 30+ pages about it which gives many good links and many helpful explanations. But one site that someone posted that gave good info was at www.goarch.org if you want to hear more and compare and understand why. As for icons that has been talked about in the site so go see or email a priest or someone on the site about it since I am sure they will have more answers if you want to know. If you don’t want to go then what can I say since you learn better when you look for the answers. Learn the right way not the wrong way dude and to give a direction to get the answer is another form of giving you the answer which I am already helping you too much.
“The greatest power in the world is the power to grow.”
“Francis Bacon, the philosopher said, “knowledge is power.” Knowledge of God is more than power; it is eternal life. It is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control.
The highest form of knowledge is not to know about God, but to know Him personally. Such knowledge is intimate, personal and based on love.”from a Christian article.

As for protestants supporting gays I mean that some churches support it which they seem divided which that is not a good thing to be divided. There is no authority and everyone does their own thing and leads people to the wrong direction which seem a bit disorganized as a whole which can hurt many souls, and have no real guidance and main authority. It is like a religion where people have to fend for themselves which many do and many get it wrong and that is sad to them and sad for others since a negative for others in its chain reaction. It is the most abused sect which many use it to their advantage and to their liking. That sect makes me very sad.

So stop this silliness and be more humble, but at least you have gotten better. Or are you afraid of my compliment and that you feel you are siding with me lol.

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There is no authority and everyone does their own thing and leads people to the wrong direction which seem a bit disorganized as a whole which can hurt many souls, and have no real guidance and main authority.

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besides, many protestant churches are on fire for God. they teachings are sound; and their love for God will blow you away. it has me. These types of churches were once persecuted and many killed because they did not agree with the "status quo" religion.
There are some that are not; I'm not going to deny that. alot teach flawed doctrines. liberal churches, for one, piss me off. but it is not in man's hand to control what is doctrine and what is not. you have to trust God with that. something to pray about, tho.

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You have to look at quote in another way as well in what you said.
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man." Psalm 118:8
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And the priests that have many years experience unlike us are close to Gods ways than us, and when we do not go to them for assistance then we are putting our confidence in man (us) since we are more into mans world than we are to god which even in the NT is says which I do not remember the exact quote or place but says that you can not follow mans and gods law equally and you know we follow mans law more than monks do for example.

Also the apostils were men, the New Testament was written by men (orthodox bishops and priests), we have Gods words explained and shown to us by men (priests), etc. If someone else that was not a priest in the apostolic succession then they would be man. If an atheist explains the bible to you then that is more mans view than Gods, if someone makes their own Christian sects then that would be mans view more than God, etc. Obviously this is my opinion but if you want to learn about God and keep growing you have to always ask.

Another interesting thing is that when an arch bishop gets his status they read a list of who he succeeded which goes all the way back to Christ in the order. I wonder what the number is up to now, which I have to see that one day, but if anyone knows then post it.

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and about Apostolic succession... it's not in the bible, or atleast I haven't seen it. unless you can prove it, it has no validity to me; it's manmade.

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and just because the orthodox church can trace their origins in name back to Jesus doesn't make them any more correct than anyone else, or any holier. The orthodox church has gone through so many changes since the early church it has no more claim than the protestant church. and besides, I could even argue that the Catholic Church has the best claim, because after all, Constantine (a secular ruler) moved the "capitol" of christendom, while many of the Bishops resisted and so thus the Orthodox church went with the "man," and the Catholic Churchs went with the "priests."
but then again, this succession thing is no more than a name, I really don't care. Truth is what matters, not names and titles.

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And against if you are going to reject the priests then you might as well reject the bible since they wrote that as well and the other canons which are meant for them to have to help guide others.

Apostolic succession in the bible I have talked about it in the other post so go read it.

Christ is the founder of the church which many Christian sects that came about within 200 years doesn’t have Christ as the founder. I said this and more in the other post in the religious forum about orthodoxy so go read it and stop asking me to repeat which everything you asked and has been explained, so you giving your quote form Luke is right but I tell you where to look and you don’t. You can not find truth if you don’t look at the history well. Also some of your statements are incorrect.

Another note is that there was another Christian sect started by Jew when Christianity first stated to persuade people to go to a false Christian religion to weak it and break it apart. Like the saying goes divide and conquer and many Christian sects are helping to destroy it from the time Christianity was started. Even many here say the church can not stand divided and the many Christian sects are dividing it and not going to the original.

Well you have all the direction to get the answers so this post is closed.

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