Freedom of speech is to protect unpopular speech to get the truth. To verbally attack people prevents the freedom of speech, and it is being used as an example for others to not talk. Obviously part of the Constitution but that was influenced by the Bible. These verbal attacks only take away the freedom to speak and the ability to find the truth and have unknowingly helped support going against the search for truth. If people keep thinking like that then they will never find truth since they will push away any negative truth they find just because it offends them.

It is silly since everyone gets offended one way or another, kind of like some people are offended for gay marriage to be legal and some get offended that it is not legal. You can not please everyone but you have to take a side and not let politically correctness, lies, and BS like fairness and equality come to play since ideologies are not equal. If people want to defend the Muslim religion then fine but then they automatically defend Hitler’s views as well since they are the same which many will not admit. I could give examples of others but I hope you got that one example. Even well respected leaders, intellects, and religious leaders say bad thing about another cult, religion, or a group of people that follow the bad culture and religion.

Life is not full or roses and for people to always look at the bight side they will not see the negative thing that will hit them and will make things worse. These types of people are the worst and are just fuel to the fire. Everyone means well even Hitler. Like the saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Many will persist to do what they do without knowing the consequences. I mostly have people that do not care for what I say but like Christ said “what is good will be seen as bad, and what is bad will be seen as good” and that most people take the wide, short and easy path than the hard, long difficult path. So the problem with the truth is that it despite it being out for everyone to see and they see it every day they cant see or want to ignore it. People can not handle the truth and just like the part in the bible you can take a camel to water but it has to decide to drink.

“The truly civilized man is always skeptical and tolerant. . . . His culture is based on 'I'm not too sure.” H. L. Mencken

“Truly religious and learned theologians have never challenged the freedom of philosophers; while the true, civilized and well-organized philosophers have always favored religions.” Giordano Bruno

Good Luck

Just felt like posting that.

P.S. Don't want to start another fire-throwing session, but about that 'to be a better christian' thing, doesn't the bible say to pick the log out of your own eye before you pick the speck out of your neighbors? (then again, what about me... i'm kinda doing the same thing...)

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[This message has been edited by buddboy (edited December 19, 2005).]

So yeah, freedom of speech... I guess if all you feel like doing is dissing the Jews or the Muslims, all the power to you... seems like all your threads are related to those themes.

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"First off, the purpose of the Muslim is to explode things. If you disagree with this statement, it is time you open your eyes to the truth. Good. You are now a good Christian. It is time to become a GREAT one. Now, what is the purpose of the Video Game Awards? If you said 'to glorify the evil black man' then congrats, you are ready to learn about the Jewish plot to blow up the universe..."

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and knowing what little I do about warsong, i know enough to be fairly sure---he can dish out some fire and brimstone. So, if u wanna flame, be prepared to feel some heat yourself.

attacking some1 elses character instead of their argument is an easy way to make yourself look ignorant. I learn these things the extra-hard way.

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yah. i should think of something funny, amusing, or wise....
not right now. too taxing on my feeble and exhausted mind.

Valkyri
“Civilized debate then?”
True but I would guess some need a clarification on what is civilized which in other words it means to be polite. Lately people are throwing names and crying since they feel annoyed and offended which might be that they live in denial that there are opposing views which could be right and that they do not want to believe it.

Crazy
Well you said it well “Attacking some else’s character instead of their argument is an easy way to make yourself look ignorant.”

2. You said people were getting upset because the opposing views might be right and they can't accept that. I can accept when I am wrong, when I see some proof that I am wrong. And plus, how are we supposed to 'believe it' when we have nothing to try to make us believe, just your opinion. We're not the ones purporting **** -a-mamie (gosh, i love that word!!) racial insults with nothing to back them.
3. We might hate the founding fathers? When did they racially insult people? And you 'shed light' and 'don't diss anyone'... So you are just shedding light on the evil anti-christian blacks and Muslim people... Oh and the dominating Jews, of course. When Jesus said Israel would become a stumbling block to all nations, he didn't mean they would take over the world. They are his chosen people, are they not? The promise to Abraham and his descendants was that those who bless them will be blessed, and those who curse them will be cursed.
4. Who's crying? And we're only getting offended and annoyed because the same racial hatred is being spread over and over again, and some of us happen to be of the same descent as those you are degrading (not me, but others perhaps)... The amount of racial bile you can spew is just amazing to me. Never fails to astound me.
I'm sorry to keep harping on the racial thing, but until you stop talking about your proof and how we are all wrong, and give us some proof, I have to bring it up.
See, I can have civilized debate!! (I take debate class)

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However, on one point there is some historical merit to something he is saying here.
There was a surprisingly (given the Nazi's racial views) close alliance between Nazi Germany and the Arab states in and leading up to, WWII. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, (Grand Mufti being originaly the highest religious authority in a locality in Islam, then a state office usually over a city in the Ottoman empire) was particularly fond of Hitler and visited him in Germany as an honored guest of the Reich. The Mufti praised the Nazi's for their policies towards the Jews

The Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, twice in the 1920's insitigated race/religious riots against the jewish population of Jerusalem resulting in the slaughter of numerous jews. He was finaly expelled from palestine by the Brittish in 1937 after he formally allied himself with the Nazi's and attempted to assasinate the head of the Brittish police force and instigated another slaughter of jews.. this time also killing many 'moderate' arabs.

He continued to lead the "palestinian resistance" forces until his death in 1974. At that point his Nephew Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini.. better known as Yasser Arafat. As late as 2002 Yasser Arafat was refering to his illustrious uncle as the hero of the palestinian people.

There is rhetoric a-plenty from arab leaders across the middle east which shows their support for the complete extermination of the jewish people, and anyone who befriends them. Its just that most people in the US never bother and listen to what the arabs actually say when they talk among themselves. You can say all that is just political rhetoric, and no doubt for the leaders it is... the problem is that the people really believe it. This is why arab leaders have a tendancy to get assasinated or lose power when they try and pursue peace with Israel.

It is not far fetched to compare their stated goals with those of the Nazi's, the primary difference being that the arab's motivation is as much religious as it is racial, while the Nazi's were racialy motivated and their hatred was not limited to the jews and their friends.

Further, it is accurate to link the palestinian nationalist movements to Nazi Germany and Hitler because their leader, until 1974, was a good friend of hitler's and a big fan of the Nazi's plans and implementation of the final solution. This same fellow was the uncle of the leader of the palestinians until the last couple of years, and has routinely been described as the great hero of the palestinian people.

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Deep roots are not touched by the frost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Not all those who wander are lost.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And the Holy Spirit allows us to know real truth whenever we ask him, and the understanding that, until his coming, Jesus alone of all men posessed

Joh 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.

Like jari said John 8:32, truth sets you free, and allows you see the truth just the way it is without you or anything else getting in the way. If you want to know truth AND understand it the only truly infallible way is to ask Holy Spirit, because that's his job. HE will let you know what is right and true, and HE will give you the courage to stand for what needs to be stood for at the right time and say what needs to be said. I agree, life isn't full of roses, and there will be quite a few thorns, but we're not called to try and attain the balance (it's really quite impossible for humans) our job is to keep our eye's fixed on Jesus, and use the wonderful privilege that we have to ask Him personally what to do and where to go. The truth lies in Jesus, not in any particular method or theory, HE is the answer, and we can trust Him to show us the truth, no matter how hard it might be, and we can be assured that he'll do it for our good, not just to prove a point or make himself feel better.

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Originally posted by buddboy:

P.S. i am starting a new trend, that will (hopefully) be
used instead of LOL... i did it on accident once and it stuck!
(the ;p; thing)

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aloha? ;p;!!

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