GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
http://www.slate.com/id/2124363/ Out of morbid curiousity I wanted to see if there were other game developers out there of a different religion. I wasn't too surprised when I saw that they'd made "a game called Special Force that allows players to simulate attacks against Israeli troops." Oh, well... |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
Wow, very interesting read. Thanks, Gump! |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
cool avitar too Gump! Hmm... islamic gaming... arn't they, no, thats Muslums... ...
err, what do they beleive specifically, i forgot... ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
Yes, RM, Islam is the religion of the Muslim people. ------------------ [This message has been edited by nfektious (edited May 20, 2006).] |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
oops. Muslums hate us though... or i think they do... GAA! Confused! ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! |
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quote: Muslims, Jews, Atheists, and Satanist seem to be the major ones that hate the Christian religion since it contradicts with their view. I would not say that all the people hate the Christian religion but many or most do. Other religions like Hindu don’t have a real problem with Christians, but England occupation did help make them into more Muslims. Also Egypt had Christians but with Muslim invasions with the h elp of secular leaders in christian nations help make them into mostly Muslim. Well remember actions speak louder than words, and you have to look at history, the present, and legislation that affects the future to know who is with us or not. Don’t believe what the liberal news says and most politicians tell you since they have many interests with associating with non Christians. [This message has been edited by warsong (edited December 12, 2005).] |
buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
That is the Taliban 'holy war' thing and the Shi-ite muslims (i'm not sure about the second one) that hate us... not all muslims do... and not all middle-eastern people do either... tho there is a lot of insurgents out there... but they certainly do hate the Israelis... and we know why... cuz they descended from Ishmael ------------------ |
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quote: Does not have to do much with who they are descendents of. But that they are next to each other and both their religion clash since they have the same views. Both the Muslim and Jewish religions believe in vengeance and to dominate the other. So as you see when 2 religions have the same negative things nothing good can come out. Two wrongs can not make a right which Christ pointed out and did not fight back since negative only brings negative. I would post facts about other religion in how deeply distorted they can be, but I get the feeling that some people will not want to listen no matter what. LOL if someone made a game about the Muslim, Jewish, Satanist, Atheist religion you would probably play who they respect the most which they would probably Murder, rape, steal, and etc. In other words the game would resemble GTA, hitman, or some other warped game. [This message has been edited by warsong (edited December 12, 2005).] |
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Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Ishmel? the guy from Moby Dick?????!?!???!?!??!?!?!?! ?!?! ------------------ Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE! |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
The issue is directly related to ancestry. Both rightfully claim to be decsendants of Abraham, but the argument is which son of Abraham is the first-born - Ishmael or Isaac. Remember the promises of Abraham? The argument is over being the rightful heir to those promises. And it isn't about domination and vengeance, either. Active Muslims live differently than those who call themself Muslim - just like active Christians differ from those who call themself Christian, believing Jews from Jews, etc. Mohammed has very strong words against those who do not follow Allah and refuse to do so, way beyond domination. Domination is used as a means to an end, the end being to convert or die. Vengeance is used as justification. ------------------ |
c0oL l33tZ Member Posts: 26 From: Registered: 09-15-2005 |
quote: I am deeply offended.
quote: Dominate? DOMINATE!?!? Where did you get that idea from? :\ Also, don't most religions have the same idea? Be kind, generous, etc.? Some side notes: ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
some times you will just have to ignore some of warsong's posts. especially ones about the jews. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
quote: Yes, Warsong. Muslims, Jews, Satanists and Atheists like me only respect murderers, rapists and thieves, and all our inventions and artwork revolve around those themes. I hope you never do anything more destructive than post your idiotic stereotypical opinions of anyone different than you. People like you burn bridges and build walls. |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
quote: yes!! thank you!! That is what i meant, only more elaborate... I am usually elaborate, but I was really tired right then... And Realm Master, we meant Ishmael, Abraham's son by Hagar... Not from Moby Dick, that is Ahab (i think, unless there is a dif guy named that) And yay CheeseStorm!! Tell 'im!! I hate stereotypes like that, even tho im not any of those things... Warsong Warsong Warsong... Where do i start... *deep sigh* You GOTTA be careful what you post... You don't know where anybody comes from or has been or what they are like... You are gonna deeply offend somebody free-wheeling like that(in fact i think you did)... Just watch what you post... Maybe this is too sensitive a topic... Maybe we just shouldn't post on this thread anymore... ------------------ [This message has been edited by buddboy (edited December 13, 2005).] |
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HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: The first sentence of Moby Dick is "Call me Ishmael." You are correct in stating that Ahab was also a character in Moby Dick -- he was the peg-legged crazy-in-the-head captain who was obsessed with killing the white whale. Ishmael was the only surviving member of the crew, and the book begins and ends with him. He is the main character in the book. |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
Oh yah... Duh!! I haven't read the book in a LONG time... since I was in 4th grade, I just remember the quote:Ahab... ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
quote: Um... problem with that... Warsong is by far VERY ignorant...and look what happened!... I don't think thats right... (sorry i'm hyper-nervous have to pick at everything) ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
i dont really want to fuel the anti-warsong fire, but there have been times when i thot it he was an automated poster or something like that. he just posts links to articles... warsong,a question out of well-founded curiosity::: are you a member of a supremist group? im not trying to be rude, I am serious. and one more simple thing:: since when is aetheism a religion? its a complete denial of a greater power/being which religions CENTER AROUND. but, hey, now im just nit-picking. ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
Yah ur right crazyishone... I guess i went too far there... we are supposed to be loving and kind... But sometimes people go to far with certain things...(sorta like me there a while ago) I don't think warsong reads these posts anyway... can't blame him... Bye!! ------------------ |
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It is a shame so many people don’t know history especially their own and not others. And then you expect others to be a clueless? Ignorance is no excuse to attack another’s view and Christ was attacks since he said the truth. If Christ was alive again today the people that would crucify him would be mostly Christians and many priests know this since so many have lack of information sorry to say. If people want to talk about it fine but to attack that is just cowardly and not Christian. If people don’t want to hear the truths then believe lies if you wan, if you don’t get me then ask for me to clarify. Don’t think I pull what I say out of no where and I have a better understanding about my Christian religion and others religion than most and so far I can hold my own and no one can dispute my points yet. I get the feeling the average age in this forum is 20 or less which would explain a lot. Nfektious Cool Arch Cheese Bud Crazy Like I said in the other post about leisure time, use your free time to learn and not waste time, since that is the original meaning of Leisure time! |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Crazy You know very well that those groups are not religious and only say that they are by name. A true Christian doesn’t act like those groups you stated and there are mostly fake Christian groups and fake Christians. As I told others stop nit picking on the good and see the entire story. Atheism is a religion stated by the courts since that is a belief in the way of life they want to live. --warsong
about atheism being a religion, i was not aware of that. I will thank you for pointing it out, but you have to admit it is debatable. Things like Buddhism and atheism are better defined as philosophies or lifestyles. re·li·gion Pronunciation Key (r-ljn) 1. I am guessing you will use definition #4 to support your view, and to that I say in advance, look at the rest of them too. ------------------ |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
quote: I think you mean "prophet" not "profit". And for the record, you never stated anything about death. Double check the previous posts. I stated that quote: I should revise my statement, perhaps, to read "...the end being to kill more than convert, because as seen in Iraq, conversion is not always enough." Warsong, you and I have had several words on this forum - mostly at odds with one another. I urge you to read the rest of what I have to say with an open heart and mind. There is something that needs to be carefully considered in this whole discussion - and in the context of listening to the news and reading the newspaper, engaging in debate, etc - and that is the abuse of labels. It has been a common practice for millenia to identify a group of people with a label that best suits them because of some association or affiliation, even though that label is inaccurate or incorrect. In recent decades, the use of a given label has been further abused because a particular group makes a public claim, or even worse, some other group makes a claim about the former. This eventually leads to total misunderstandings and misjudgments about all groups involved in any particular scenario. The examples of this are too numerous to provide, unfortunately, and even though these examples are abundant and readily available, they also require some effort in researching the different perspectives to be properly informed of the facts. Perhaps the biggest abuse of a religious label is the use of the term "Christian". Today, when you ask someone who is Catholic if they are a Christian, you will likely get an affirmative response. Similarly, if you ask a Lutheran, Episcopalian, Methodist, Unitarian, Wesleyan, any number of Orthodox, Mennonite, Amish, Christian Scientist, Adventist, Mormon, Jehovah's Witness, Anglican, etc. Any number of known cults can claim to be "Christian" as well. This is all nothing but a contribution to the absolute confusion of the truth, for any particular group. We've seen this same abuse applied to Politics, Economics, and other important areas of society - eventually leading to chaos and confusion. Personally, I do care what people believe, because I don't want people to be stupid or ignorant. But, when a person makes a decision to follow a certain path, and disregards numerous - sometimes obvious - realities of the truth in respect to what they are doing, I have to let go. This is what many people call "learning the hard way". I would expect that each of us has this same approach, in some fashion, to the people we are close to and care about - perhaps even toward people we do not really know. Regardless of anyone's spiritual perspective, I hope that each of us can understand that we all have different degrees of experience - in life and in any given topic - and at least respect that experience, that wisdom and understanding, as a good thing - and not as some over-rated sense of duty being put into words to make one's self feel more supreme than any one else. Warsong, you made a statement to Cheese about law. quote:I hope this is an oversight on your part. The New Testament - especially parts regarding law - is based entirely on that part of the Bible that precedes it, most call it the Old Testament. I only pointed this out because it relates to my concern about properly handling the truth - in this case, the truth you are being adamant about people correctly knowing and understanding, History. There have been other things said by you, in this thread, that bother me, but I will avoid making an issue out of them for the sake of brevity. There are many ways to argue - some violent and some not. Violence does not have to be physical, it can be mental as well. Try not to be so abrasive when you are explaining your views and making your points - remember, a gentle response deflects fury, but a harsh word makes tempers rise. The point I think everyone should remember is this: There are many ways to argue a truth, but if you cannot and do not use that truth properly, in effect, you contribute to a lie. ------------------ [edit] Formatting error. [This message has been edited by nfektious (edited December 18, 2005).] |
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Crazy Well they may say they are Christian but that doesn’t mean that they truly are.  I kind of agree with you that that Buddhism and Atheism are philosophies. I think the Hindu religion did not do bad to others which I admire them but I do not agree with them. So when someone wants to take away the christen view from the public then we are automatically replacing it with the atheist view. We have to side with one or the other and people should stick up to it. Nfektious If you are going against me a lot then you must have posted against me in the original of Christianity about it being orthodox which all sects have went away from the original teaching and I said a lot in that post like over 30 pages of info to help clarify some misconceptions of Christianity. As for Orthodox they are all the same and they all ask advice from one church. You are right about law and does take from the OT as well and not only the NT. As for the way I talk I stated facts without attacking anyone but everyone attacked me personally and that is just not proper and I hope they see that. If people disagree with what I say that is ok and I am ok with talking about it which as you see I typed a lot trying to explain things to everyone here which some try to listen and to others it goes in one ear and out the other. Whatever the case I am a blunt and abrasive person which I do not candy coats the situation. People can take the facts at face value or reject it and I am not going to start writing a 10 page essay to candy coat things since I know most people will not read and still act the way they act. If people don’t want to hear another view or ask question then that is not my problem and they should take their own advice and not discriminate against views. And I am sure I have some more typos, but o well. |
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nfektious Member Posts: 408 From: Registered: 10-25-2002 |
You are correct, you are not the only one who came across as being on the attack. I addressed you directly, and perhaps I should have been inclusive of others. The comments I made over in the Original Christianity thread were made several months ago. As I have stated elsewhere here, much has happened in my life since the middle of this year - some life changing things in many respects. I can assure you my view is changed - different does not really relay the right idea - from what it was just a few short months ago. I do value your conversation, and even if you and I seem to come at odds with one another, I respect you for being direct and unafraid of stating your beliefs. I wish so many more people were like that. ------------------ |
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Thanks I think I will post about how people acted in here in the post "how to handle the truth" Good Luck |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
YOU sigh for ME?! Ok... not going there... You deal with ALL walks of life? Since when have you walked ALL of them? Come on, that's going a little too far... And Christ did say things that offended people but he didn't go around making stereotypical remarks about large groups of people... And Jesus thought before he spoke (technichally he didn't need to he had the wisdom of God, but bear with me here!) so he didn't needlessly offend people. Needlessly offending people is making careless remarks (often untrue) that may apply in some situations but not in all, and that is where you needlessly offend people. Okay, there is no need to offend people, but sometimes what you say is going to offend somebody no matter what (like you said warsong. See, I'm not totally against you!!) and you have to say it cuz it is right, but you shouldn't just say stuff that may be right or it may not be and then offend your brothers and sisters in Christ. Now crazy, do you ACTUALLY think warsong is in Neo-Nazis or KKK? I mean, misguided he may be (at the most!!) but he's not part of some extremist regime (at least, I hope so...kidding)... Warsong, I am not a Christian JUST to be humble, I am humble to remain a good Christian (now that I think about it, that's probably what you meant!!)... But I am humble.. Did you not see my post where I agreed with what Crazy said about not fueling the anti-warsong fire, and that I said that I went a little too far? And explain to me WHERE out of what I said ANYWHERE in this thread (or discussion, or whatever!!) you got that we should burn our bibles and do what we do without knowing the entire facts and be selective in our knowledge? Where are you coming up with this stuff? Christ didn't stop to please everyone and he said 'Do things to please God and not men'(paraphrased!!) and I am DEFINITELY not saying that's what anyone should do... I know I am ignorant, the bible says that the greatest wisdom of man is but foolishness next to God's. But I said that I went too far there... Are you saying that being against unjust stereotypes is the wrong view? I mean come on!! "So don’t try to defend the wrong view blindly since you will attack the right one blindly. I have history, priests from all sects, and saints that back up my points." ALL sects? Priests from ALL sects? So satanists and other 'Christian' sects are valid sources now? Boy, have I been out of the loop!! But, can you SHOW us some of these sources? Are these sources researchable and valid? Show us then!! I would LOVE, just LOVE to see what valid sources would condone UNJUST STEREOTYPES!! Just bring it on!! Give me your best shot!! I am letting you go in for the jugular if you have ANYTHING!! ------------------ |
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buddboy Member Posts: 2220 From: New Albany, Indiana, U.S. Registered: 10-08-2004 |
Discussing my earlier post... I posted the before one without reading the posts after the one that I address in it... (other thatn Nfektious one!!) I posted some agressive and attacking material because the post by warsong was fresh in my mind and did not finish the post and then came back to it when the other posts where already posted but not listed on my browser. I finished the post and posted, then read the other posts and thought "Oops... I will come off as some coffee-driven 'peg-legged crazy-in-the-head captain'" (LOL i luv that!!)... But I didn't want to edit my post... didn't know exactly what to take out and leave in... so I wanted to explain that and say that underneath all of the aggresiveness in that post I made some points I would ask warsong to look past that and look at the points in my post and consider them... sorry i freaked out!! (LOL see i'm humble... LOL just kidding!) Like i said before, maybe this is too sensitive a topic now... also warsong I would ask you to be able to start afresh with me... we got off on the wrong foot (LOL understatement!!) and I would hate for us as christians not to get along... I am sorry for some of the things i said.... Is that ok? ------------------ In the stock market, you must buy high and sell low...Wait! That's not right! -------------- Yes, I can be intelligent at times!! [This message has been edited by buddboy (edited December 19, 2005).] |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
Warsong, about the KKK, Neo Nazis, and other facist/extremist groups that claim to be christian, I do not mean that they ARE truly christian, I mean that they claim to be a legitimate representation of a religion. This was in response to your point that Atheism is legally a religion, so I hope you can understand why I said the KKK "claim to be a christian group". Also, I appologize for any personal attacks on you. Attacking a person's character is not only rude, but it detracts from the true issue, and so I am sorry for that. ------------------ |