And Christian games should be a way out of the game hook, so they should not be addicting or bind the player's time to the game.
Jesus can help many and we can be He's workers.

So that is one good reason to make Christian game.

PS. Welcome to the forums jachin!

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a game is a world one can create, in which other people can experience and interact in. It's a way of expressing yourself. I have these worlds, these ideas, in my head and I want to get them out, and games are my medium. atleast until I can get over my laziness and do it.

games is also a great way to build experience to work on a whole plethora of development products. sure, game dev is alotta work and the pay sucks...

but now I will directly answer some of your points... cuz I'm like that.

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If I write a simple game:
I can still buy 101 games on a CD for $5.99. Most already have free online versions too. How can I support my family doing that?

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The game would be thoroughly addictive and thus I would be effectively wasting the lives of those priority-challenged youth who get hooked.

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Being a computer gamer is socially crippling

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I would have to learn cutting edge tech, and it could take a lot of time and be a fairly steep curve.

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And be on a development team for a year plus.

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Tack on the fact the Christian games don't even have a market share...

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Will it pay?

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don't be so concerned with the results of your actions.
the pharisees would give huge amounts of money, but Jesus said the widow who gave two mites gave the most to the treasury. If your called, do it. if not, don't.

and the rant... is over.
yay.

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wrong. all you will be guilty of is making a cool game. people are responsible for their OWN actions.

don't be so concerned with the results of your actions.
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Jesus told us to love one another and as family of Christ we are to take care of each other in brotherly love.

And what you said is against what Jesus said:

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
(Matthew 18:6, KJV)

And Apostole paul says:

Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
(I Corinthians 8:13, KJV)

And again:

It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
(Romans 14:21, KJV)

So if some game makes my brother stumble I will not play that game and most certainly not make games like that.

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a person's addiction to something is their problem, and theirs alone. if you cant stop yourself from playing the game, u probably shouldnt start. or at least clear your schedule first, .
is George Lucas to blame for the people whose lives have been changed by the fact that....they think they are actual jedi?
is the Arizon Ice Tea company to blame for the fact that I loooooove ice tea to the extent that i coiuld probably drink a full gallon jug per day?

no. these addictions are the fault of the individual.

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Jesus specifically says "whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me"

But you are saying that offending is not wrong, as long as you do it to stranger and not to any one close to you?

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I should make it clear that I'm not saying that we shouldn't try and help those who have addictions and such. I'm not one to just let people burn because it's not my problem, or because I don't know them too well.

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Originally posted by jachin:
Why write a game?
If I write a simple game:
I can still buy 101 games on a CD for $5.99. Most already have free online versions too. How can I support my family doing that?

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Why write open-source software? You can't "seem" to make any money off of that... no. Same thing with games.

Although I don't like programming games as much as I like to program other stuff, games are good. A lot of people who play FPS games have quicker reflexes while driving.

You can make money off of open source software. Try here

Take for example the head leader guy of the GAIM project. He got an offer (and I think he was hired) by google because of his extensive knowledge of comunication, google's primary concern.

I think i've pushed the thought that you can make money off of OSS more than games but, heck, if you don't think so, try something else.

Also this is offtopic.. but have you ever heard of slashdot? It kept me from asking stupid questions. Also it's very very interesting and fun to read.

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And Christian games should be a way out of the game hook, so they should not be addicting or bind the player's time to the game.

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Being young, i want Game Prog./Design for my life, but that might not necessarily be where God wants me to go (thought i still hope and pray it is) and you can't live your life soloy pleasing to your parents.

Your parents are wise and they love you, but they are also human, i hear my mom talking about things that she dosn't like or thinks/knows her parents do wrong. Your parents are also human.

if your dad thinks your wasting your time you must make a descisioin based on these facts:

Do you LIKE game programming?

When you make a desision, you MUST stand by it. Don't have a will of melted butter! If you think its right and you've prayed about it, follow through, but heed your dad's words, but don't dwell on them.

Do you think you can help Evangilize or share the grace of God through what you make? (even if its not right at the moment)

will it pay??? WHO CARES IF IT PAYS??!?! You program becasue you love to program and you can and have the will too. I'm aiming to just program, mainly in a big-business situation. ovbiously, that will conflict with my faith, but ill take that as it comes. Nothing says I cant develop an handfull of on-the-side free Christain Games for wide-spread play! Take Bible Dave for example, i worked on the story line (A little, still, im happy to have helped!) You can be an Independent pogrammer too!

All you need is a great community like this one, some programming skills (I lack those, but im hoping for better!) and a good, Christan Idea, and BAM! you're doing great things!

We don't want to force a price on meeting Jesus! (christan games) if we can't help it! SURE: we all want to be paid, but ppl who meet Christ will give their lives to Jesus, it might help if they don't have to pay 50 bucks for it (reg. price of new Xbox games... or around that price)

Im trying to help you, but its getting near my bedtime.

I hope i helped!

remember: God Knows all!

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You can make money off of open source software.

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Originally posted by Realm Master:

Do you LIKE game programming?

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I do like programming, very much so.
But I need to feed my family too.
Right now I am working as a computer tech.
I've been trying to break into the software development field for years.

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We don't want to force a price on meeting Jesus! (christan games) if we can't help it!

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It is hard enough to find the time to talk to people in person about the saving knowledge of Christ.
What kind of game could possibly be written to do this? I don't think an AI could handle any but the most basic questions.

It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
(Romans 14:21, KJV)

If it causes other brother to sin then the right thing to do is not to eat in front of the weaker brother.
But what about selling meat? Well if the selling does not happen at weaker brothers home I think it's ok, better would be not to sell but I don't judge any who does.
But I draw a line for my self on what to offer and advertise.

And while I don't judge I hope that you all consider what your products might do to some one who is weak, it is the right thing to do.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jari:
[b]And Christian games should be a way out of the game hook, so they should not be addicting or bind the player's time to the game.

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Dr. Mario?
Well my vision is that Christian game is based on Christian values and those commands which Jesus Christ gave us. And the most important of those are loving God with all our heart mind and soul and loving others like our self and doing good to them.
And Christian game should have gospel of Christ so that the player may learn that he is need of a saviour.
That would be a Christian which does not just have Christian symbols but also serves the will of our Father.

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Originally posted by Realm Master:

We don't want to force a price on meeting Jesus! (christan games) if we can't help it! SURE: we all want to be paid, but ppl who meet Christ will give their lives to Jesus, it might help if they don't have to pay 50 bucks for it (reg. price of new Xbox games... or around that price)

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True, being able to get hold on Christian game for free could mean a lot for one.

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Originally posted by jachin:
It is hard enough to find the time to talk to people in person about the saving knowledge of Christ.
What kind of game could possibly be written to do this? I don't think an AI could handle any but the most basic questions.

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EEP! oops! i naturally assumed that (or accidentaly may we say) that you didn't have a family to feed.

sorry, but unless otherwise notified, I assume everybodys about my age! sorry!

Okay, so if you HAVE to feed a family, you have a couple of things you need to really work at.

A: You can create games and get a job with some not-necessarily christan Game programming company and create fun little christian games on the side (my plan)

B: You can strive very hard to find a Christain Game Development team (up and running or getting there). im sure they would love to have antoher pogrammer around!!!

C: You can go into software development and do some cool stuff there (not exactly as fun as GP, but it puts bread on the tablee... my back-back-backup plan. not sure what my back up plan or my back-back up plan are just yet)

D: IF a must is a must, you can alwasy try something else (NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!) that might possibly maybe hopefully relate to game programing.

dang, whenever i think i give a smidgen of good advice it turns around and smacks me upside the head!

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Well my vision is that Christian game is based on Christian values and those commands which Jesus Christ gave us. And the most important of those are loving God with all our heart mind and soul and loving others like our self and doing good to them.
And Christian game should have gospel of Christ so that the player may learn that he is need of a saviour.

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So a role based game maybe? Where the player must choose to do the right thing?
I'm sorry if I am not getting the picture.

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dang, whenever i think i give a smidgen of good advice it turns around and smacks me upside the head!

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Originally posted by jachin:
So a role based game maybe? Where the player must choose to do the right thing?
I'm sorry if I am not getting the picture.

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That could be one but look at Bible Dave (the two month game project), that's one example of Christian game.
Or interactive parables, I think that is a fine example.

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they do not necessarily have to be directly Bable-based. i think a game that is based on morals i good. my goal is not to bring gamers to Christ, but rather to give them an alternative to some of the less-than-desirable content out there.
Joe Geek Gamer does not want to play a game about the Bible if it is all cheesy and lame. He (or she i suppose, ) will likely not have his life changed by the game. These games are great for existing Christians, but you cant count on them as great witnessing tools. Im sure there are exceptions and success stories, but i am speaking towards the norm.

So, I will strive to make FUN games that happen more moral than some of the raunchier ones in the Market. I play Halo, I play all kinds of games, and if you know me, you know that I am definately no Bible thumper. I just think that if we can give somebody the alternative between , say, God of War and an equally entertaining, fun, exciting game...then we have succeeded.

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So, I will strive to make FUN games that happen more moral than some of the raunchier ones in the Market. I play Halo, I play all kinds of games, and if you know me, you know that I am definately no Bible thumper. I just think that if we can give somebody the alternative between , say, God of War and an equally entertaining, fun, exciting game...then we have succeeded.

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Geez ppl! Take Bible Dave as an example! Its perfect!

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I'll take taht as a complement!

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i mean, Bible Dave is exactly what the Christan Game World needs to see!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by crazyishone:
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So, I will strive to make FUN games that happen more moral than some of the raunchier ones in the Market. I play Halo, I play all kinds of games, and if you know me, you know that I am definately no Bible thumper. I just think that if we can give somebody the alternative between , say, God of War and an equally entertaining, fun, exciting game...then we have succeeded.

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PC, because it's the easist for small development, and every genre, but I think RPGs have the most potential, if you could do something like KOTOR, yet show the consequences of the bad/dark side actions, so with the game you could show the affects of your actions...

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Game Idea: Try to display Christ's values lived out in the extreme
Game Title: Christian Underground
Genre: Like a First person Shooter game.
Goal:
The goal of most games is to be the best, kill everyone, stay alive
forever, but not this one.
The goal of this game is to obey Christ even unto death.
Each chapter would follow the real life events of Christian
missionaries and martyrs around the world.
Chapter 1. (Like a first person shooter game.)
You find yourself in a small makeshift church in a remote village
being raided by gun wielding mercs.
The object is to run and stay alive.
If and when you are killed, you(the game player) realize you are
just a small boy.
The newspaper article tells brief details of your death and the
other Christians who were murdered.
The next screen is a real live RSS feed of real Christians who have
been martyred in the last year!

sounds... boring. especially if FPS. could be workable if a platformer or 3rd person. but FPS is all about shooting, not dodging.

frankly, much of those restrictions you guys have put up are unnecessary, in my mind. I, for one, have lost interest in the project, and many others, because of it.
not saying you can't make a game with those restrictions, but it hardly seems like a game at all. with your guy's mindsets, i think their are other mediums which you guys will work better under, such as movies and books.

frankly, if I have to follow these rules to make a "christian" game, I wouldn't make a "christian" game. I'll make a game which I feel led to, "christian" or not.

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And I don't think the game idea is boring, there is many ways of doing it and if you know the right one then good.

However Christian game when inspired by God can be so much different from secular games and if want to God's will and pray for God about it and submit to Him from our whole heart, I believe He will tell us what kind of games we should make for Him.

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Anyway to the original post :
1)If you want to get into software then why games - do other stuff if you have issues with games.
2)Why are computer games bad for people - how's it different from other hobbies?
3)Why would you have to work on Christian games - the people you may be called to tell the Gospel to may very well be other game programmers ( a pretty secular, cynical bunch) instead of the game-playing public.

Video game addiction is something that I've seriously struggled with for the past 10-15 years. It's hurt me in a number of ways, and I would hate to be party to helping kids abuse themselves.

Proverbs 25:28 "Like a city that is broken down and without walls is a man whose spirit is without restraint."

I don't want to contribute to breaking down kids' walls, nor do I want to take advantage of them when their walls are down (by preying upon their addiction to get them to buy my games).

However, entertainment seems to be a different kind of addiction than addictions to things like drugs, cigarettes, or pornography. You can avoid drugs completely, and when you're trying to quit, it is possible to go cold-turkey (except for medical reasons, but there is detox for these sorts of things).

Addictions to things like food and entertainment is a little different though. Gluttony is often spoken against in the Bible, but you can't quit gluttony the same way you quit cigarettes -- you can't just go and not eat food anymore -- it's something you need for life.

Entertainment, while not absolutely necessary, is something that most people have in their lives, and I don't think it's a bad thing. It's like Proverbs 24:13 -- "Eat honey, my son, for it is good; honey from the comb is sweet to your taste."

We can enjoy life, and appreciate the fun and good things in it. However, just one chapter later in Proverbs 25:27a -- "It is not good to eat much honey", this thought it also expressed in 25:16 -- "Have you found honey? Eat only what you need, that you not have it in excess and vomit it."
Or in the NIV: "If you find honey, eat just enough— too much of it, and you will vomit."

So honey isn't bad, but we shouldn't eat it to excess. I suggest that entertainment is a similar thing -- whether it be reading, television, video games, movies, golf, running, whatever. These things in and of themselves are not bad, but they are bad when they are used in excess.

All we have established here is that it's probably okay to play games in moderation. However, is there a reason *why* we should make games? What's the point?

One reason is to create good alternatives for kids who already play games, but they could seriously benefit from having better content in them. For a great exposition on this point, I recommend watching the video at http://www.cgdf.org/ -- it clearly illustrates the need to have better alternatives for our young people to play in their entertainment. Whether we like it or not, kids are going to play video games -- maybe we can try and help them to play good games.

More on this later, but I gotta' get some work done. I look forward to discussing this in the future, though!

In Christ,
clint

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Even "top-notch" games like Halo, Madden, Sims 2, WoW, HP. I have a whole arsenal of games, yet not a single one is good enough for me to have a permanet place on my computer.... :'(

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Why on earth should a Christian game be done for no profit? "The worker is worth his pay". If you pay professionals you get a professional-quality product, which real gamers are more likely to be interested in...

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Well I'm the idea behind the bible dave game and i'm an opensource fan too so that greatly influenced my deciding to make the game free. More people prefer software with no strings attached or demos and the only foolproof way to keep someone from pirating your software is to make it OSS.

I will get profit from this game. It will not be cash, it will be:
Fun
A Good experience in leading a coding team (somthing Google just looooves!)
It will add up with all the other things I've done to give me a wide view of programming. Thus I will have completed leading and programming (a little) a game.

Those are the profits. And payday will be great when I reap the rewards (mainly of experience).

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Originally posted by ArchAngel:
frankly, much of those restrictions you guys have put up are unnecessary, in my mind. I, for one, have lost interest in the project, and many others, because of it.

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Could you be a little more specific on what "restrictions" you don't like and why.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
A Good experience in leading a coding team

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Thanks,

You are right, this type of experience could be invaluable.
I've got four years of Computer Science learn'n.
Experience would be the largest personal benefit for me.

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We do have a responsability. BUT that responsability is determined by the normal response of the average person, not the extreme responses of a few. If you over zealously apply the standard of taking responsability for every person who may use your product, you effectively eliminate christians from every profession that provides either goods or services to the public... no more christian actors, athletes, writers, directors, game makers, restaurant owners, car makers, no christian magazine publishers, or book publishers (including even the bible which has been terribly misused by people through out history) no more christian musicians, poets, painters, no more christian dietary experts or fitness experts the list is quite literally endless.

The simple fact is that there is NOTHING that can not be abused or be addictive to people. Thus you have to use a little common sense when you start looking at your responsability here.
The standard we must apply is the intent you put into the product, and what the response of a normal person would be to your product.

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The old that is strong does not wither,
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The acts of killing, virtual porn, and criminal plot lines allow people
to bathe the minds in the filth with almost no consequences.
how can we compete with that?
We can't, if we play by their rules.
But, those games will never be able to simulate:
the true ugliness of violence
the great commission,
love for others,
or self sacrifice.
I can easily see a "game" that allows you to live the last few moments of a martyred Christian missionary to be an effective tool...
to squash the apathy that hold us
and ignite the fire of the Christian youth in America
to take action according to real examples of living the values of Christ.

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The nightly news shows violence in its real context
Violence, murder, speeding, causes pain and suffering and is wrong.
But today's gaming industry says: Just play it.
In the name of entertainment and fun!
It is OK because the players know the difference between reality and make-believe.
I agree-- my mind knows the difference.
But the devil is not here to convince you by logical means.
The devil is here for your heart.
It is easy to become immune to the violence.
(It only take a little while.)
This immunity could really be a disconnect from your conscience.
It amazes me that we can be so easily forget
the real pain and consequences that the God of the universe has programmed into our world.

The acts of killing, virtual porn, and criminal plot lines allow people
to bathe the minds in the filth with almost no consequences.
how can we compete with that?
We can't, if we play by their rules.
But, those games will never be able to simulate:
the true ugliness of violence
the great commission,
love for others,
or self sacrifice.
I can easily see a "game" that allows you to live the last few moments of a martyred Christian missionary to be an effective tool...
to squash the apathy that hold us
and ignite the fire of the Christian youth in America
to take action according to real examples of living the values of Christ.

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I agree with you on the violence part, I agree with the fact that it's not whether or not we see it as reality, but what is in our heart. But putting violence in a game is one thing, making a game addictive I believe you can't help.

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This stresses the point even stronger (at least to me) that if you are a Christian and you develop games, especially games with a Christian message, that you should fearfully look at your position and pray continually that you stay on the path that God has set for you. God looks at our hearts and I believe that He will work through us if we are submitted to Him and honest with Him.

Jachin makes a great point as well:

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But today's gaming industry says: Just play it.
In the name of entertainment and fun!
It is OK because the players know the difference between reality and make-believe.
I agree-- my mind knows the difference.
But the devil is not here to convince you by logical means.
The devil is here for your heart.
It is easy to become immune to the violence.
(It only take a little while.)
This immunity could really be a disconnect from your conscience.

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The devil wants to steal, kill and ultimatly destroy you, if that means destroying your conscience through lawless, media, games, movies, books, etc... then deal! He'll take it!

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Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your justice like the great deep.
O Lord , you preserve both man and beast.
How priceless is your unfailing love!

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Originally posted by jachin:
What can we offer that the worldly games cannot?

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Spirit.
Secular games feed the lust of flesh. Christian game should feed the spirit.

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Originally posted by jari:

I see your interesting point though but just don't know if it's bossible and how should it be done.

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[This message has been edited by jachin (edited November 14, 2005).]

There are many secular sites that has browser playable games where you shoot and kill, though there are decent games too like minigolf and such.
However I'm hoping to see Christian alternative for such sites, but biggest problem would likely be that people might not stay at the site when they see that it's Christian...

But if one can make a site where people stay and come back again then there is great possibilities for the message.

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[This message has been edited by jari (edited November 17, 2005).]

If we melded games and current events in some new way we would not need a comunity of users/gamers that are loyal to the site.
We would get those who are looking for something new (always on current events), intelectualy stimulating (news info), fun and entertaining (game), and sprititual (Christian motives.)

I am not talking of a site that has both games on it and current events on it. More like you can play the current event. Any ideas?

[This message has been edited by jachin (edited November 17, 2005).]