The first one month game failed... not enough time. This one has more time.

If you don't mind me butting in, I'd like to choose the leader (I need volunteers) so that they can push and pull us.
I'm thinking of a Christian Mario game. The time limit won't run out till the words: Get Coding! are spoken in QUOTE and B tags. (No realm dont even try!)
Now it's time to braind storm!

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Or moses from Egypt to the Promised land, guiding God's people. Walking through the pyramids, and casles, jumping on the heads of Egyptions and other stuff, like crocodiles and snakes. Through the dessert... He has to clear each level so everyone can pass. At the end I guess Aaron has to take over in order to be biblical correct.

Well, so far for my creativity today

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I agree though keep it simple (no 2d in 3d crazy stuff like I was pushing for on the one month game!)

Also, I didn't like 3DGS much (for several reasons), but since your doing 2D you probably not going ot use it anyway.

Good luck!

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
im not impatien, i just don't want my post overlooked, what language is this in again?

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ditto.

I'll help with music, testing, and maybe coding.....?

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ill check it regulary (i hope...)

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Originally posted by coolj:
I won't be in on this one!

I agree though keep it simple (no 2d in 3d crazy stuff like I was pushing for on the one month game!)

Also, I didn't like 3DGS much (for several reasons), but since your doing 2D you probably not going ot use it anyway.

Good luck!

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Put me up for music

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Oh you program? Awsome! I try to get in a little....I spend most of my time debugging.

http://gamedev.sourceforge.net/

Ofcourse, it takes all the fun out of programming, since it doesn't look like it needs much of that.

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Originally posted by vincent:
Btw, I might help with coding, sound FX and/or graphics. What language did you have in mind? My only strong side in programming Java... so, I doubt if that would be much help .

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I think Jython and Python can work together...
C/C++ works with python... or we could download a game engine from source forge (and then I wouldn't be able to help )

Or better yet, we could write a tiny Mario game engine for one level of our mario game to see waht it's like.

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Originally posted by en972:
Looks like the right thread to me..

Put me up for music

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Alright... anyone want to lead? I'm up for it.
Oops I did post in the wrong thread about people posting int the right thread.

I'd say it would be best and more fun to hard core program it using a python base (since you can incorporate it into C/C++ and I'm pretty sure about Java [through Jython])

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Let's just use that game engine. http://gamedev.sourceforge.net/

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Originally posted by vincent:
So, CPUFreak working on getting that ranking up? 3 posts in a row? Okay, okay, I just did two before.. but 2 is good... 2 is allowed... 3.. now 3 is too much

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Nah, kidding. I think actually... we should program the thing.. I mean whats the point of Christian CODERS if there isn't any coding involved.. not much I imagine. I think I could write the engine in Java, and then I could make it accessable through Jyton, so it can be scripted in Pyton, how about that?

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Gotta do some research to see if it's really compatible with "pyton"...
Checking it out...

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
sweet, c++ works with python?!?

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cool, but have we acutally decided on a language yet?

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I can do: C++, Bltiz Basic 3d (lol, not gonna use THAT), and i can learn java (many many many books)

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( i guess if C++ works with python i could do some of that too (MAYBE... i dunno for sure...)

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Your're better off sticking with C++ right now.

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Oops.. my bad. It will work with regular python (as I have interpreted it).
I'm asking if java embedding and c/c++ emebing can be in the same program as jython and java! This would mean the we'd all have to have JVM, Python, Jython and GCC (or Microsoft Visual C++)

2005).]

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You want to embed Java in C++ and run python as jython to script C++ in a JVM using GCC or Visual C++?...

Well, I was thinking Jython is just the Python language run in a JVM... I could write an engine and export the API to Jython... then anyone knowing Python could script the game, and using Jython run it in Java in a JVM err... wait... did I write that right? - again... well, my work is development in Java, so I'm pretty familiar with it... so for me its a piece of cake... But I'm familiar with almost every language that is used these days, so I don't really mind in what language it is made. (though I prefer Java any time )

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Originally posted by vincent:

You want to embed Java in C++ and run python as jython to script C++ in a JVM using GCC or Visual C++?...
2005).]

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Yeah... won't know if I can do that till I geta response tho.

EDIT> Got response. Here's the results:
You can embed C in Java with JNI
I found out how to embedd python (ie: jython) into Java.
Here's some samble code:
import org.python.util.PythonInterpreter;
import org.python.core.*;

public class SimpleEmbedded {
public static void main(String []args)
throws PyException
{
PythonInterpreter interp =
new PythonInterpreter();

System.out.println("Hello, brave new world");
interp.exec("import sys");//python/jython code
interp.exec("print sys");//python/jython code

interp.set("a", new PyInteger(42));
interp.exec("print a");
interp.exec("x = 2+2");
PyObject x = interp.get("x");

System.out.println("x: "+x);
System.out.println("Goodbye, cruel world");
}
}

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when you decide a language, make a post in all Bold and Itallic so i will notice it right of the bat (i re-read all posts since i last posted, so thats not too much a worry, but just in case )

I would really like to help, though!

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rats, was this one of those annoying posts again??

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Blitz3d can make commerical games too you know(they are in the value games department ! Speaking of which, I saw pong for sale for pc....)

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PONG?!?!? Firemaker, me and you can BOTH make our own pong, and millons of people can get it free, why in the world buy PONG?!?!?!??!???

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I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for salvation of everyone who believes...

anyway, i can;t wait to get started! lets have some organization here!

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
anyway, i can;t wait to get started! lets have some organization here!

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We will once we figure out the base language! I think C/C++ would be best (so that it can be a standalone) as Java required JVM and other junk and you can't embedd Java and C/C++ in Python.

What do you say? Vincent and all you others?
Oh, yeah, artist are needed and we're gonna have to decide on a character and gameplay.

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If you program it in C++, I would have to pass, cause I am not that good at C++.... though I did get an A+ for it a while ago in College BASIC has been some time ago, but I guess I could get up to speed pretty fast.. even though I'm not very fond of it... then again. I could also just do something else, like sound FX, some graphics or edit some levels, I enjoy that too...

I'm open for anything. Maybe we should vote Or we should see who is willing to write the engine... and what language he/she uses.

I am willing to write it, but I'll use Java ...

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Heres how python works:
remove all {'s and }'s and ;'s at every line,
Clean up the syntax and voila! There's python.

Can you read this?

print "Hi, please try python!"
answer = raw_input("Enter your answer: ")
print answer
print answer + "Are you sure?"

if answer == "no":
print "Awwww!"
else:
print "Yes!!!!!"

Pygame is very easy to learn as is python (especially for you Vincent, python is very similar to Java. It even uses import!)

Realm. I think you'll like python once you try it. Especially since you can make C/C++ bindings for it or embedd python into C!

Please try it: www.python.org
www.pygame.org

With this I can help you, whereas if you did it in C that would be a complex language that two people (so far) don't know much about. Java is the same thing, only a little less complex.

Also with pygame we could hard code the game and it would be easier than a game engine.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Even better yet. Why not just try python and pygame?

Heres how python works:
remove all {'s and }'s and ;'s at every line,
Clean up the syntax and voila! There's python.

Can you read this?

print "Hi, please try python!"
answer = raw_input("Enter your answer: ")
print answer
print answer + "Are you sure?"

if answer == "no":
print "Awwww!"
else:
print "Yes!!!!!"

Pygame is very easy to learn as is python (especially for you Vincent, python is very similar to Java. It even uses import!)

Realm. I think you'll like python once you try it. Especially since you can make C/C++ bindings for it or embedd python into C!

Please try it: www.python.org
www.pygame.org

With this I can help you, whereas if you did it in C that would be a complex language that two people (so far) don't know much about. Java is the same thing, only a little less complex.

Also with pygame we could hard code the game and it would be easier than a game engine.

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AAAUGH! TOO MUCH INFO!! APOEFD:JPOESUFPPHHHDDD!!!

im doing BB3d, C++, soon JAva, and NOW PYTHON???! HOW MUCH CAN 1 GUY TAKE!

sure, i'll try it, but i have school now.

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Originally posted by jari:
It's ok in my opinion but the fact that it doesn't have brackets makes it bit odd if not difficult to follow.
Well I quess you just have to get used to it?

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Well I find the brackets and colons hard to remember. Just leave them off. Yes, as in Java, the brackets take some getting used to.

quote:

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Originally posted by lava:
Why do you need to have a biblical character? I could draw up a character really quick.

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We don't have to have a biblical character. That was just an idea. Howabout we just have "a dude" or "a dudett"? Great! I'd like to see the character when you're finished!

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Originally posted by lava:
Oh yeah, question, is it going to be 3d or 2d?

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2D. No fancy 3D that would take too much time (more than 2 months!)

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
im doing BB3d, C++, soon JAva, and NOW PYTHON???! HOW MUCH CAN 1 GUY TAKE!
sure, i'll try it, but i have school now.

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A guy can take a lot! Just put the other's on halt or crawl for a little bit till the game is done. Just a suggestion.

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
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PONG?!?!? Firemaker, me and you can BOTH make our own pong, and millons of people can get it free, why in the world buy PONG?!?!?!??!???

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my point. If they can sell pong, they can sell a blitz game too!

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Originally posted by vincent:
So, who is willing to write the engine, and in what languages do you want to give it a go at...

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Well I'd suggest Python and pygame. With pygame we don't need to write a game engine... (it would also take longer than two months). Pygame handles the video, sound, gui, keyboard, mouse and other things that we would find a pain to have to wrtie from scratch.

So.. should we vote?
I vote:
Language: Python
Explanation: Very easy to use, pygame handles everything you'll need.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Well I'd suggest Python and pygame. With pygame we don't need to write a game engine... (it would also take longer than two months).

Language: Python
Explanation: Very easy to use, pygame handles everything you'll need.

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Well, I wouldn't write the actual graphics/media engine in Java either, cause you have a lot of frameworks in Java that do that stuff too... but you'd still have to write the dynamics, jumping, loading levels etc...

I like Python too... so if CPU would write the core, I'd be willing to help, but because I have only a little experience in Python, I won't be able to do so much... then again, i'd be nice to expand my python skills.

quote:

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Originally posted by vincent:
I like Python too... so if CPU would write the core, I'd be willing to help, but because I have only a little experience in Python, I won't be able to do so much... then again, i'd be nice to expand my python skills.

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How about this... I'll post the code on my site, you can download it and just play with it.. till you feel like you know what's going on.

Realm? What do you say?

EDIT> CCN 2 Month Game blog has been set up. (http://2month.blogspot.com/)

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
How about this... I'll post the code on my site, you can download it and just play with it.. till you feel like you know what's going on.

Realm? What do you say?

EDIT> CCN 2 Month Game blog has been set up. (http://2month.blogspot.com/)

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Sounds alright to me.

I got a 404 on that link.

don't expect too much though...

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i will do graphics, since that is all i can do :P

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Originally posted by kiwee:
i will do graphics, since that is all i can do :P

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so you're using what language again?

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python has one vote...

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hmm... well, I did recently learn how to animate in paint... ooh, but wait, i got Adobe, ill go see what that can do!

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What do you guys think?

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
so you're using what language again?

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I guess Python. Cause there's only two votes and one for C. I don;t know blitz basic so....

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Originally posted by Jari:

python has one vote...

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No it has two... vincent says that he might be able to do it. (Ok fine 1 and 1/3 votes)

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Originally posted by lava:
Here is the dude:

What do you guys think?

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Nice!

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
i dub him "Dave"

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Dave and the giant pickle!! Err wait.. that's bean stalk.
Nice! Lets call him dave! Unless some one objects?

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And if do you want me to make a sprite sheet?

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All you other artists and volunteers... can we have: Sound (if you know of anything) and some bad guys... (ie: a ugly demon or something [he can't have horns though!!])

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Originally posted by lava:
Do you believe he will be final?

And if do you want me to make a sprite sheet?

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Well.. last chance: If no one else want's to lead, I'll be glad to do it.

Ah sprite sheet. Yes that would be great. I guess Dave is final, what do you guys think?

Oh I've been thinking and playing and I think I can make a game engine!
However you'll still have to program in Python (mainly calling functions) but it will be so easy that you really don have to learn Python.

Oh. When I do get this game engine finished the 2 month count down will start. I'm going to make it simple so that it won't take long.

Everyone who can make a level will be credited and will be considered a Developer.

Now to fix that blog.

Oh! An idea. For the bad guys (I'd say a square with feet) he can be a pixilated porn image! Just make a person but pixilate them and don't put any clothes on them. (Male or female).

I had this idea where you can switch characters and fight devils and demons as Jesus.. waddya think?

Here's the moved blog:
http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/index.html

Please email (cpu. crazy [at] gmail.com) me or PM to be added to the team list. You will recevie an email and will prbably have to sign up.

Anyone can post a comment

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Well.. last chance: If no one else want's to lead, I'll be glad to do it.

Ah sprite sheet. Yes that would be great. I guess Dave is final, what do you guys think?

Oh I've been thinking and playing and I think I can make a game engine!
However you'll still have to program in Python (mainly calling functions) but it will be so easy that you really don have to learn Python.

Oh. When I do get this game engine finished the 2 month count down will start. I'm going to make it simple so that it won't take long.

Everyone who can make a level will be credited and will be considered a Developer.

Now to fix that blog.

Oh! An idea. For the bad guys (I'd say a square with feet) he can be a pixilated porn image! Just make a person but pixilate them and don't put any clothes on them. (Male or female).

I had this idea where you can switch characters and fight devils and demons as Jesus.. waddya think?

Here's the moved blog:
http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/index.html

Please email (cpu. crazy [at] gmail.com) me or PM to be added to the team list. You will recevie an email and will prbably have to sign up.

Anyone can post a comment

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I don't really like that idea about playing Jesus, and the porn image might be a little much, I think we should illustrate struggles a Christian goes through. And most of all show that it's not in our strength we overcome evil, and that we have to call upon God.

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WAIT! GENIUS IDEA!! (i hope)

dave is a guy who has travled to a far-off country to tell them about Jesus, but his plane was shot down by bad guys who didn't want Dave to come there. now he travels the country, collecting the bibles as power ups! At the end of the level, he reaches a village and gives the people the bibles! ooh, and there are still those evil guys with AKs, mayhaps a deamon or such, and other power ups would be: Water , Bread , and other people who are not evil, if you touch one, you lose a bible, but gain a person who travels with you to the next village, collecting bibles you miss.

wadya think, an okay idea?

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yea, sure, tahts a good idea!

but did you mean my idea was good, bad, or mild? or that it just plain stank? :\

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yea, sure, tahts a good idea!

but did you mean my idea was good, bad, or mild? or that it just plain stank? :\

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
hmm.. im with lava... i have to say i like the blocks with feet, but not pixilated porography...

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Ok. It was just an idea.

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dave is a guy who has travled to a far-off country to tell them about Jesus, but his plane was shot down by bad guys who didn't want Dave to come there. now he travels the country, collecting the bibles as power ups! At the end of the level, he reaches a village and gives the people the bibles! ooh, and there are still those evil guys with AKs, mayhaps a deamon or such, and other power ups would be: Water , Bread , and other people who are not evil, if you touch one, you lose a bible, but gain a person who travels with you to the next village, collecting bibles you miss.

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I like that idea! Only this game engine will be limited sooo...

We'll have to remove:
The other people who aren't evil.
The Guy's with the AK's

Other than that yes, it's a guinus idea!

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I don't really like that idea about playing Jesus,

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and the porn image might be a little much,

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I think we should illustrate struggles a Christian goes through. And most of all show that it's not in our strength we overcome evil, and that we have to call upon God.

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Great! I like that idea.

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what should I do?

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Join the blog as a member. I've sent you an email.

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I like the plane crash idea, and with the bibles that are everywhere because of that.. its very original. Maybe he should throw verses at enemies or something... but if you use too many verses, you loose a bible or something, because you used the verses in it... You have to get as many bibles as possible to the end of the level... is that an idea? So the bibles are also the 'ammo'...

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Originally posted by vincent:
So, if I understand correctly, this guy 'dave' has to collect bibles, and get to the next town? So, what kind of enemies will he face, and will his plane crash in every level (I'd ask for a different plane )?

I like the plane crash idea, and with the bibles that are everywhere because of that.. its very original. Maybe he should throw verses at enemies or something... but if you use too many verses, you loose a bible or something, because you used the verses in it... You have to get as many bibles as possible to the end of the level... is that an idea? So the bibles are also the 'ammo'...

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http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/index.html for the explanation.

We still need bad guys. en972? Kiwi? Lava?
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Just a thought.

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wow, im so happy my idea is being used!! it was really USABLE, eh??
sweet.

Church now, got to go!

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Originally posted by Jari:
How about collecting Bible's pages instead of Bibles..?
Then you could show verses as message.

Just a thought.

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How about we save that for the sequel? It kinda conflicts with Realms idea. However....

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
no, i think every time you collect a bible, it shows a random verse... well, then agian.. no, because he needs the bibles for the towns people, maybe in some leves some bibles are incomplete and you need a page or something... lets hang onto that idea.

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I think that a random verse would be great! But don't make any plans yet. I still can't get a character to move yet!!!

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How about we save that for the sequel? It kinda conflicts with Realms idea. However....

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Sounds good to me. And sorry I didn't realize it was realms idea because I read about it from the blog.

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Originally posted by kiwee:

hows that for the main char?

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Ahh.... no offense but I like Lava's character better...
No one has made bad guys yet, could you, Kiwi? Also any member can post on the Blog (I think), so feel free to.

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some enemies:

Muslums(no no nO! no certain religions, just guys with AKs who hate you! this is a christan game, no one race or religion is the bad people!!), deamons (a maybe, i like the idea that a bible dissapears from your stock everytime you fight one, good idea), and the block guys, just a random enemy (NO NO NO PIXILATED PORN! even pixilated it still gives me the heebie-jeebies, and its jsut sick...)

tahts all i got for now...

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what else would we need? (anything? wait, i know, we need one of him jumping happily when he reaches a town (like "yaY! i made it!") )

now we need the forgin-countrymen (in the villages and along the way (remember, you touch one, lose a bible, but you score goes way up (you evangialized that guy, and he eiether A. follows you to the town or B. walks to the opposite side of the screen and dissapears? either way, you score goes way up, like it does when you enter a town) ) what should they look like?

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what else would we need? (anything? wait, i know, we need one of him jumping happily when he reaches a town (like "yaY! i made it!") )

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Ok, good idea, I was also thinking of making front and back views of him.

CPUFreak, are we still going to use a super and giant form of dave?

Let's also have no magic of any sort in this game.

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Also will there be a 2 player feature?

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wait.. were just complicating matters here...

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also maybe he could do some idol smashing

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Ahh.... no offense but I like Lava's character better...
No one has made bad guys yet, could you, Kiwi? Also any member can post on the Blog (I think), so feel free to.

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No offense, but I like kiwee's character better. It has more depth. Maybe kiwee and lava should work together? Kiwee, did you draw that yourself? Its good.

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Originally posted by lava:
Ok, good idea, I was also thinking of making front and back views of him.

CPUFreak, are we still going to use a super and giant form of dave?

Let's also have no magic of any sort in this game.

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Well, maybe not... read on for my answer.

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Originally posted by lava:
Guys, what if Dave also fought off wild animals?

Also will there be a 2 player feature?

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Possibly in the future yes. Right now I'm making sidescroller (my game engine's name... unless you've got a better name for it) as simple as posible to finish it as soon as posible and to make it easy for other people to program for it.

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Originally posted by vincent:
No offense, but I like kiwee's character better. It has more depth. Maybe kiwee and lava should work together? Kiwee, did you draw that yourself? Its good.

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OK... we'll vote.

Voting Booth:
Dude/Dave Character: Lava's

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Originally posted by cwc:
Well, just putting my 2 cents in. I like kiwee's charater better myself,no offence, but if you are looking for more of a Mario type character I would go with lava'a character because it strikes me as being like one of the first Mario chacaters. Kiwee's character reminds me of when the 3D Mario came out, which I find to be very neat. Anyways, god bless you all.

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Well kiwi, you hear em, I'd suggest a sprite sheet. One big and one a little bit bigger than the first drawings...

EDIT> Oh yeah, could one of you team members post on the blog? I'd like to see if it works. (You can access all the images and future sounds [when I find some and upload them] @ my web site: www.jqsoftware.com/2month/data/
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I noticed about Kiwi's character is that it sorta uses a z-plane, it's not a completely flat image. So I think it should depend on what kind of game were doing, is it like Mario Bros 1 and 3, or like Commander Keen 4 and Donkey Kong Country?

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I liked yours because it was a 2D image. Not a 2D made to look a little 3D.
Yes We'd be doing a Marion Bros 1 stlye game everything's kinda flat. (Never played it though).

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But here's an example of what we're talking about:

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Originally posted by lava:
exactly, so I think that's where the vote should go.

But here's an example of what we're talking about:

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?? I still don't understand!
EDIT3> Ok now I understand with the updated images. Yes. Lava, to keep the game simpler, we must use yours. Otherwise I'll have a headache
Oh, btw... I can't use a sprite sheet. I need each image to be separate.
Also you you make them transparent and in png format?

EDIT> Hey, for a bad guy let's use vincent's avatar!! It looks cool.
EDIT2> Hey realm, are/would you do(ing) the story line? If not tell me so I can start.

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ok, i have an idea for enemys that i am working on,
basicly the enemys are sins like 'lust' 'malice' 'decite' etc... and then you have an over all bad guy demon thing

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Nice.

BTW: I'm working on some Milestones (currently Milestone 1). When I'm finished I'll post it on the blog. Kiwi, if you don't mind, I'd prefer the images be posted on the blog and here from now on.

The milestones will be the technical goals.

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Originally posted by CPUFreak91:
Nice.

BTW: I'm working on some Milestones (currently Milestone 1). When I'm finished I'll post it on the blog. Kiwi, if you don't mind, I'd prefer the images be posted on the blog and here from now on.

The milestones will be the technical goals.

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i have posted my idea in more detail on the blog

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Originally posted by kiwee:
it just occured to me, it was only 7 months ago when we did the one month game, it feels like years ago

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yeah, and I feel old... (well I was 13 then now i'm 14 )

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
actually, we could have multiple languages...

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We could...
Still though, I like the idea of "coding" in python using the game engine.

I and (hopefully) someone else could make the jumping and moving and bad guys and stuff. And everybody else could create the levels and place the bad guys in chosen spots.

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so, who's image are we using anyway???

have i done my part, or can i still help?

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so, who's image are we using anyway???

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have i done my part, or can i still help?

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Oh yeah! You're very createive.... sooo can you write a plot/storyline?

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i guess i'll be a tester than... don't know python...

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It's incredibly simple. I'll write up documentation. You'll be pretty much writing something like a MS Word macro!
Is blitz basic cross platform? Does it have cler syntax... what language would you suggest?

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Originally posted by cwc:
I take it you all do not want many users too use/play yawls game, except some computer geeks that know about the language or just a few Linux users.

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Why? Because you need the Python interpreter? No, I'm afraid not. Py2exe will remove the need for an interpreter on Windows, py2app will do the same on Mac and most linux distros won't work right unless they come with a python interpreter.

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If you want more people to play your game I would not use python as the language of choices. Just my opinion. God bless you all.

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Check out all the games you can make with Pygame and python!

EDIT> I just thought... if there's more ppl who'd use say.. Java or C for this game... I'd be glad to relinquish command.

EDIT2> This is how the engine will (hopefully) work:

You'll need the python interpreter, unfortunately (but you'd be a developer).

makeGround()
placeDemon(1, 3) # This is a comment... 1, 3 ,5 (x, y)
placeHero(0, 3)
starLevel()

This is a rough example of how it should be.

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Why? Because you need the Python interpreter? No, I'm afraid not. Py2exe will remove the need for an interpreter on Windows, py2app will do the same on Mac and most linux distros won't wrok right unless they come with a preinstalled python interpreter.

Yeah...., No, I'm afraid not. Py2exe will remove the need for an interpreter on Windows...
Hmmm.... is this not the interpreter for Windows, which a person will have to download this to play the game on their computer?

What language would you use?

Hmmm Java, C# comes to mind, but since I am a C/C++ guru I would pick C++ because I could use C/inline ASM in my code(which I am a big fan of), if I choose to do so. Just think, Linux.Unix, Mac and windows is all built with C/C++: all other languages are just wrapper of the original. Yeah, use the direct whatever controls, that control is prob written in c or c++( I could be wrong, but I don't think so), once again I am not a game programmer, but I am a programmer, and if I wanted to code my own 2D graphic lib in C/C++/Java, I prob could. Just to let you all know python is not the language you all should use to build this game, unless you all are just wanting to play with python. Also a hybrid, which python uses C/C++ is not the way to go either, unless you all are just wanting to use python and test it out. Just my opinion. God bless you all, and I hope you all take my opinions into consideration. God bless you all, and I pray your game becomes a reality.

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For a 2D platform sidescroller it doesn't really matter what language you use. There are always ways to deploy it, and speed is not an issue.

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True, that is very true.Also you are right that there are always ways to deploy it, but I feel it would be better if the person would not have too download and install something else to play the game. What would clear this up is, if you are allowed to package the Python interpreter with yawls game, so when they download yawls game the Python interpreter is also being downloaded, and installed with out them really knowing. Can this be done, or would the person have to go somewhere else to download the Python interpreter? God bless you all.

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Is blitz basic cross platform? Does it have cler syntax... what language would you suggest?

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No, but blitzmax is(don't ask)

Yes.
BlitzBasic.
http://www.blitzcoder.com/articles.shtml
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Basic Tutorials - completely new to programming? These tutorials are just the place to start.

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Hmmm.... is this not the interpreter for Windows, which a person will have to download this to play the game on their computer?

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Hmmm Java, C# comes to mind, but since I am a C/C++ guru I would pick C++ because I could use C/inline ASM in my code(which I am a big fan of), if I choose to do so. Just think, Linux.Unix, Mac and windows is all built with C/C++: all other languages are just wrapper of the original. Yeah, use the direct whatever controls, that control is prob written in c or c++( I could be wrong, but I don't think so), once again I am not a game programmer, but I am a programmer, and if I wanted to code my own 2D graphic lib in C/C++/Java, I prob could.

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Just to let you all know python is not the language you all should use to build this game, unless you all are just wanting to play with python.

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But...
I have an idea. All you Java and/or C ppl why not start on your own version of this game? I don't have to be in command, you know . We'll make it a race to see who can finish it sooner? (Game engine or hard core game).

I'm saying this because I really don't understand why you're so against this popular, yet "hidden" powerfull language.

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Originally posted by cwc:
True, that is very true.Also you are right that there are always ways to deploy it, but I feel it would be better if the person would not have too download and install something else to play the game.

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What would clear this up is, if you are allowed to package the Python interpreter with yawls game, so when they download yawls game the Python interpreter is also being downloaded, and installed with out them really knowing. Can this be done, or would the person have to go somewhere else to download the Python interpreter?

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With linux, as I said it usually won't work right unless you have the python interpreter you'd have a very crippled system if you didn't.

Oh just to let you know... Google uses a lot of Python.

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Originally posted by vincent:
For a 2D platform sidescroller it doesn't really matter what language you use. There are always ways to deploy it, and speed is not an issue.

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If speed became an issue you could Psycho it (makes it faster by compiling it into C or something like that).

Really, if you were to have studied python for the 5 months that I have (I started 5 months ago) you couldn't beleive what you can do with it. (OF course you can do waaay more with C, but sometimes you don't need to do so much).

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Cool deal. I can't wait to try it out, so you all hurry up...lol. God bless you all.

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Lol... I need bad guys and separate images of Dave... a storyline... ohh boy.

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Sign Ups-
Tilemakers/artist-2 (maybe 3)
Programmers-2 (Who know the same language)
Writer-1 (w/ option for second, if needed)
Sound/Music-1or 2

The story writers will decide what tiles/sprites for characters and terrain, etc.. are needed. The artists will decide on the size of tiles and which file format to use. Sound and music will be handeled by a two person team, and they will be told what style of music and sound to use/create by the writers of the story.These files will be given to the programmers, who may divide up the programming work as needed. Only 1 language should be used.
The lead designer (CPUFreak91??) can also be the "information soucre" by putting the story (from the writers), the sound (form the...sound people..lol.), and the pics into one adaptable design doc. This cuts down on communication between individual elements of the team, thereby lessening the chance of confusion of miscommunication.
Indiviadual elements can help guide eachother of course, but now, you wont have problems like this...
the writers telling the sound guys to make gloomy music for a certain scene, then the sound guys telling the artists to make smiling clouds for that scene, and soon everybody is confused.
What do you guys think of this, and if you liek it, sign up for a postition.

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why don't you use a language that the most people know, that means more people can join in making this game

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
how about making a engine that has modable features to the engine throguh regular files....

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That would be a bit complicated.

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
i think this may help clear up this mess...

Sign Ups-
Tilemakers/artist-2 (maybe 3)
Programmers-2 (Who know the same language)
Writer-1 (w/ option for second, if needed)
Sound/Music-1 or 2

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Who's doing the sound???

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The story writers will decide what tiles/sprites for characters and terrain, etc.. are needed.

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Ok. That answers a few of my questions.

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The artists will decide on the size of tiles and which file format to use.

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Sound and music will be handeled by a two person team, and they will be told what style of music and sound to use/create by the writers of the story.

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Where do you find music and sounds anyway?
And again... who'd like to do the sound? It must be in .wav format tho.

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These files will be given to the programmers, who may divide up the programming work as needed. Only 1 language should be used.

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The lead designer (CPUFreak91??)

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I guess....
The lead designer (CPUFreak91??) can also be the "information soucre" by putting the story (from the writers), the sound (form the...sound people..lol.), and the pics into one adaptable design doc.

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This cuts down on communication between individual elements of the team, thereby lessening the chance of confusion of miscommunication.

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Indiviadual elements can help guide eachother of course, but now, you wont have problems like this...
the writers telling the sound guys to make gloomy music for a certain scene, then the sound guys telling the artists to make smiling clouds for that scene, and soon everybody is confused.

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Yeah, I see your point.

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What do you guys think of this, and if you liek it, sign up for a postition.

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And speaking of that... crazyishone I'd like you to help with the leading and design and stuff (you'd be in the same "rank" as me, which I will gladly give up if need be.) (I've sent you an email).

Thanks for clearing this mess up!

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Originally posted by vincent:
I'm feeling like making some tiles.. whats the tile size for this game? 20x20? 32x32? oooorrr.. good old 16x16? In what format? PNG? What tile set wil I make? Mario style.. with hills and boxes? Or jungle... or sahara.. where did the dude crash anyway?

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Realm... did you get my email? You'll need to join the blog (it's not hard to get a blogger account) so we can keep a record of what we've talked about (the blog is on my site so that it won't be deleted acidentally or automatically by someone else).

As for the tilsets... I don't know. Whichever the graphics team think would be best, I don't really care and I don't think it matters.

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it was, after all my idea, lol.

nah, if you found someone better, lemme know, ill give him my idea? but can I have a tiny part in the credits? / !

ohh, no i didnt get your e-mail... if you didn't send it to 3rdknight@comcast.net, i didn't get it (Dang, i gotta change that on my account...)

blog where? ill join!

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it was, after all my idea, lol.

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yes.

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nah, if you found someone better, lemme know, ill give him my idea? but can I have a tiny part in the credits? / !

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You can write the credits if you want!!

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ohh, no i didnt get your e-mail... if you didn't send it to 3rdknight@comcast.net, i didn't get it (Dang, i gotta change that on my account...)

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OK I sent it to the right email this time.

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blog where? ill join!

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Got to www.blogger.com

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cool, cool. In answer to your question about the sound, i would say that where it is found and how it is made is up to the sound guys. They just need to be told what to create/obtain by the writers (preferably, not directly. less confusion if its all in the design doc. )

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I'd prefer you, crazyishone do the design docs and I'd like sound volunteers (in comments on the blog or email: cpu-dot-crazy[at]gmail-dot-com)

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lol.

and example (poor, sucky, and the CD Stands for Community Development (coul not find a P for Community Project.. see, i only have paint, so yeah, it sucks...)

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Maybe we could make it with this? (due out tommorow)
(we probably won't use it.

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nice logo, btw!

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its more fun taht way.

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I've got a head ache tying to make tilesets work....

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I've got a head ache tying to make tilesets work....

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Maybe blitz hadles it better than python.

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the basic OWNS lol!

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He he he.
Here's why I chose python and pygame:

from http://www.pygame.org/docs/tut/intro/intro.html:

PYTHON AND GAMING
"Is Python suitable for gaming?" The answer is, "It depends on the game."

Python is actually quite capable at running games. It will likely even surprise you how much is possible in under 30 milliseconds. Still, it is not hard to reach the ceiling once your game begins to get more complex. Any game running in realtime will be making full use of the computer.

Over the past several years there has been an interesting trend in game development, the move towards higher level languages. Usually a game is split into two major parts. The game engine, which must be as fast as possible, and the game logic, which makes the engine actually do something. It wasn't long ago when the engine of game was written in assembly, with portions written in C. Nowadays, C has moved to the game engine, while often the game itself is written in higher level scripting languages. Games like Quake3 and Unreal run these scripts as portable bytecode.

In early 2001, developer Rebel Act Studios finished their game, Severance: Blade of Darkness. Using their own custom 3D engine, the rest of the game is written with Python. The game is a bloody action 3rd person perspective fighter. You control medieval warriors into intricate decapitating combination attacks while exploring dungeons and castles. You can download third party addons for this game, and find they are nothing more than Python source files.

More recently, Python has been used a variety of games like Freedom Force, and Humungous' Backyard Sports Series.

Pygame and SDL serve as an excellent C engine for 2D games. Games will still find the largest part of their runtime is spent inside SDL handling the graphics. SDL can take advantage of graphics hardware acceleration. Enabling this can change a game from running around 40 frames per second to over 200 frames per second. When you see your Python game running at 200 frames per second, you realize that Python and games can work together.

It is impressive how well both Python and SDL work on multiple platforms. For example, in May of 2001 I released my own full Pygame project, SolarWolf, an arcade style action game. One thing that has surprised me is that one year later there has been no need for any patches, bug fixes, or updates. The game was developed entirely on windows, but runs on Linux, Mac OSX, and many Unixes without any extra work on my end.

Still, there are very clear limitations. The best way to manage hardware accelerated graphics is not always the way to get fastest results from software rendering. Hardware support is not available on all platforms. When a game gets more complex, it often must commit to one or the other. SDL has some other design limitations, things like full screen scrolling graphics can quickly bring your game down to unplayable speeds. While SDL is not suitable all types of games, remember companies like Loki have used SDL to run a wide variety of retail quality titles.

Pygame is faily low level when it comes to writing games. You'll quickly find yourself needing to wrap common functions into your own game environment. The great thing abuot this is there is nothing inside pygame to get in your way. Your program is in full control of everything. The side effect of that is you will find yourself borrowing a lot of code to get a more advanced framework put together. You'll need a better understanding of what you are doing.

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
Maybe blitz hadles it better than python.

(yes, you can do it)

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Well, my problem is that I can't find the right documentation... and there's a lot of documentation to go through so I'm winging it on my own.

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Originally posted by lava:
What about Game Maker? The 5th version is free.

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How about we save that for last resort. I'm new to game programming by 2 days and I wrote this game in 15 minutes: http://www.jqsoftware.com/software/TuxBounce.zip so I'm still going to give it a chance. The Zip is a py2exe file so you don't need the python interpreter (Windows only). If you want the source just go to: http://www.jqsoftware.com/software/TuxBounce.py Bounce.py

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited October 04, 2005).]

Okay, so what we need is:

- story/plot - one or two persons
- a supervisor... someone who knows who is doing what and when - assigns task + has the vision, so he (or she) can answer questions about what should go where and how. - one person
- game engine - two or three people.

• over state (start / game / end / menu's)
  
• menu engine (for options / save and load)
  
• level
  - loading
  - tile engine
  - sprite engine
  

• title screen / cut-scene graphics
  
• menu elements (boxes, fonts)
  
• friends n foes
  
• items (bibles, bonuses, etc...)
  
• tile sets for different levels
  

• level music
  
• sounds
  

For each section there needs to be someone who is the lead. Else you get conflicts or things that get done twice. Each section is responsible for deciding what tools to use. However, some things should go hand in hand.. for example, the level builders can decide on using what tile-based editor to use, but it has no use if the programmers aren't able to load the format the tile-editor saves in.

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could make an MMORPG in three lines, given I had a single DLL with the entire thing in it programed in a different language :P

vincent, thank you for going into greater detail with the point i was making.

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
did you send it to colton.moffitt@gmail.com? if not, can you please resend it there?

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Sorry... i'm not used to people having different email accounts! New message sent.

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
here, let me show you what blitz can do with that python code...

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Alright show me.

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Originally posted by vincent:
I'm willing to program in Phyton too.

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Alright, I'm including you now. Have you downloaded Pygame and all the tutorials you can find? When you do "make" a game so you can be practiced.

That's all I'm doing right now, the game engine is on a bit of a halt for a while because I'm inexperienced with Pygame (as I would if I just switched to BlitzBasic too)

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So count me in as a programmer. Though I like to help out in the graphics area too.

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Sure I don't mind.

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Okay, so what we need is:

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-level builders - two or three people.

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For each section there needs to be someone who is the lead. Else you get conflicts or things that get done twice.[B][QUOTE]

Ok. I'm going be first come first served:
Graphics Leader:
Lava -- If you don't want to lead then say so and I or crazyishone will pick someone else

Writing Leader:
Realm Master -- If you don't want to lead then say so and I or crazyishone will pick someone else

Programming Leader:
Sombody else decide -- Whether it's crazyishone or the rest of the team.

Audio Leader:
We need volunteers first.

[B][QUOTE] Each section is responsible for deciding what tools to use. However, some things should go hand in hand.. for example, the level builders can decide on using what tile-based editor to use, but it has no use if the programmers aren't able to load the format the tile-editor saves in.

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Yes. So unless the Design Docs cover this, I'll write up what stuff we can and can't use and set a standard.

Great job vincent, this clarifies a lot.

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Originally posted by lava:
Ok I separated the sprites and exported them into PNG format with transparent backgrounds, how should I post them? I was thinking of a zip file.

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Sure. Zip is a universal compression method... I'll copy it onto my site..
Man.. I wish I could have a website upload program so that you guys could upload stuff directly onto my site!

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited October 05, 2005).]

( http://www.freewebs.com/lava-flow/PNG.zip )

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
can we upload ALL crucial files to the blog??
If not, we should make an account on some file upload site that all members of the team can access...

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I don't know. I'm trying a php upload program I got off of sourceforge so... we'll see.

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1 gig for space, 10 GB bandwidth, loads of extras..... for free. (One per IP )
THE BEST HOST!!!!!

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could make an MMORPG in three lines, given I had a single DLL with the entire thing in it programed in a different language :P

;################################ ; Tux Bounce -- A stupid game # ; by Joseph Quigley # ; Released under the GNU GPL # ;Recoded to blitz3d by firemaker# ;with absoulty no idea what he # ;was doing # ;################################ scrW = 800 scrH = 600 dx = Rand(2,6) dy = Rand(-8,8) Graphics scrW,scrH,0,2 SteBuffer Backbuffer() Apptitle "Tux Bounce";make title bar tuxbounce Global tux = loadimgae("data/images/largetux-stand-right.png") ;load tux into memory tuxx = 20 tuxy = 20 background = loadimage("data/images/background.png") ;load backround into memory? wallwham = loadsound("data/audio/sounds/punch.wav") ; load sound into memory While Not Keydown(1) ;escape button ClsColor 25,42,72 ;make backround? Cls ;clear screen tuxx = tuxx + dx tuxy = tuxy + dy If tuxy >= (scrH-20) dy = -dy + Rand(-1,1) dx = dx + Rand(-1,1) PlaySound(wallwham) ElseIF If tuxy < 0 PlaySound(wallwham) dy = -dy + Rand(-1,1) dx = dx + Rand(-1,1) EndIf If tuxx <= 0 Or tuxx >= scrW dy = dy + Rand(-1,1) dx = -dx + Rand(-1,1) PlaySound(whallwham) EndIf DrawImage tux,tuxx,tuxy ;draw tux Flip ;swich buffers Wend End

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[This message has been edited by firemaker103 (edited October 05, 2005).]

at the level 1.(last level of chapt 1) Dave meets walks into a village, chapt 1 over, right? WRONG!
the leader of the village is a deamon-controlled man, and he comes out to fight you (like bowser in mario). Sins spew out from him like a tide, but you must hurt the leader, not the Sins, to get him to stop. Then, as the man collapes, a huge deamon comes out of him (like the acutall bowser in mario). Dave then has to defeat the Deamon. After an epic struggle, God suddenly Strikes the deamon dead, and chatper 1 is done.

i want your thoughts on this before i post it on Blogspot.com do you think its okay??

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
After an epic struggle, God suddenly Strikes the deamon dead, and chatper 1 is done.

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I think you go too far when saying that God does something.

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Originally posted by firemaker103:
I quick throw together(10 min.)

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Hmm. I threw mine together with less lines (I think, if not this version then the newest) and I did it in 15 minutes with absolutely no experience with game game programming whatsoever. However BlitzBasic does look simple and cool.

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I think you go too far when saying that God does something.

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I agree

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1. Angel

2. Dave

which one??

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Maybe the man should just be called evil doer, which player could make repent by beating all he's negative thoughts and words. The man could just stand like on the background and fire something that repsents sin which player must dodge. And throw him back with God's word and if you want to make it complicated player would have to first catch the negative thoughts and fire them back as positive thoughts.
Basically instead of shooting fireballs like mario player would fire visible sound wawes that repsent God's word or just throw the enemies with a Bible.

Well thats just one idea/suggestion.

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www.agigforfree.com

1 gig for space, 10 GB bandwidth, loads of extras..... for free. (One per IP )
THE BEST HOST!!!!!

(I should have kept that url to myself :P )

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I have been trying to get there for 2 days now.. Is their site down???? Is that the write link?

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I have been trying to get there for 2 days now.. Is their site down???? Is that the write link?

[This message has been edited by cwc (edited October 06, 2005).]

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they must be down. I can't log into my ftp space.

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PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME, AND ILL PUT IT ON MY SIG!
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God bless you all.

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
hmm... maybe after he shoots all the sin out, when he uses the bible (Dave opens it, im not sure im too exuberant about him throwing the bibles... it just dosn't seem... right :\) the Deamon just comes out of the guy and runs away, and the Elder thanks Dave?

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Sounds whole lot better... and yeah, throwing Bibles isn't probably good idea

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Originally posted by Realm Master:

every writer has his setbacks i guess.. *sigh*...

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There there, good ideas are hard to come by in genre like this when we are talking about the all mighty God. Try not ponder the ideas too much your self but pray God to guide you to the right direction so that He's will may be served.

God bless.

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I new something had to be up...that just sounds to good to be true for free. I don't see how a hosting business would last giving all that away for free. Also, it can not be good being down for 2 days going on three. I know I could not do business with them.

God bless you all.

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Originally posted by vincent:
Throwing the bible is more meant symbolicly... I think.

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Yeah that's what I thought too, but then on the other hand it depends on the player how he/she takes it.

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Originally posted by jari:
There there, good ideas are hard to come by in genre like this when we are talking about the all mighty God. Try not ponder the ideas too much your self but pray God to guide you to the right direction so that He's will may be served.

God bless.

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well, thats whats the game's about! !!

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quote:

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
personally, i feel that in this case, we could get rid of storyline alltogether, aside from the usual "good guy go fight bad guy!!"...
we waste a bit of time on debating the morals of Bible throwing, wats not right, wat is....etc..

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I think we are going to do that regardless, it's good we filter and refine it. There is always going to be more than one revision.

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we'll have a vote, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you...

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darndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarn!

fine happy B-day!

> !

dangdarndangdarndangdarndang!

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quote:

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
personally, i feel that in this case, we could get rid of storyline alltogether, aside from the usual "good guy go fight bad guy!!"...
we waste a bit of time on debating the morals of Bible throwing, wats not right, wat is....etc..

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Well the story line is so that we don't go adding more and more things like in the one month game! That's one reason why it failed, because it had no storyline.

Don't worry realm, we'll still need you, we just won't/may not follow your plot word for word.

How are the bad guys and tilesets commming?

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
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darndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarndarn!

fine happy B-day!

> !

dangdarndangdarndangdarndang!

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Lol, I'm kidding, yes we need you, after all you named the main character.

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you may find the chat room <a href="http://jqsoftware.com/bdave/phpMyChat.php3">here</a>.

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you may find the chat room Here

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Originally posted by lava:
Lol, I'm kidding, yes we need you, after all you named the main character.

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lava-Realm Master is a swell guy (no joke ppl, he acutally sent that)

ArchAngel-RM, I'm prescribing some ritalin for you. And when I say "some", I mean "alot." And when I mean "alot," I mean for you too move the cars out of the driveway for the truck to back in. (what in the world is he talking aobut??)

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PM ME YOUR DESCRIPTION OF ME! ILL PUT IT HERE!

lava-Realm Master is a swell guy (no joke ppl, he acutally sent that)

ArchAngel-RM, I'm prescribing some ritalin for you. And when I say "some", I mean "alot." And when I mean "alot," I mean for you too move the cars out of the driveway for the truck to back in. (what in the world is he talking aobut??)

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Originally posted by lava:
Btw, I was thinking of making one of Dave's feet go up when he walks, to make it look more like he is walking and not dragging his feet, what do you guys think?

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wewt!!!! a revolution!!!!!

go ahead

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ArchAngel-RM, I'm prescribing some ritalin for you. And when I say "some", I mean "alot." And when I mean "alot," I mean for you too move the cars out of the driveway for the truck to back in. (what in the world is he talking aobut??)

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what? did we suddenly stop?

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lol, sorry.

new blogger post.

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ArchAngel-RM, I'm prescribing some ritalin for you. And when I say "some", I mean "alot." And when I mean "alot," I mean for you too move the cars out of the driveway for the truck to back in. (what in the world is he talking aobut??)

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So, when did we actually start the actual game development? how much time do we have left to complete the game?

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Yes. I've answered this before but it must have been too subtle.
THe 2 Month countdown doesn't start until:

The character can Jump, walk and land on higher levels and we can start recruiting people to make the levels.

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I just wanted you all to know I'm following the progress with interest.

Are you guys using the PGU tools?

[EDIT] Okay, I see that you guys are using the PGU tools. The batch file that was included in the latest Bible Dave release was helpful to run the game -- though I'm having trouble figuring out what parameters to pass into the leveledit in order to create new levels and play around with the one that you created. I could probably figure it out, but it might be easier if you just told me. Thanks! [/EDIT]

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Great job guys!

I just wanted you all to know I'm following the progress with interest.

Are you guys using the PGU tools?

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Yes we are. Its good stuff. The weird thing though is that the levels are actually stored in a TGA file... but hey, who cares, as long as it works!

I just saw your addition. To create a new level, copy the tileset into the script directory of PGU and start hte level editor. enter the *complete* name into the tileset field (so that would be 'level1tiles.png' - don't forget the extention). The tilesize is correct. Set the right dimensions.

In order to open a level, copy both files (level1_0.tga and level1tiles.png) into the script directory, open the editor, and select load. Again, type complete filename in file field (level1_0.tga) and the tiles (level1tiles.png). Note that the extentions are different, one is PNG and the other is TGA.

Well, I hope it helps! have fun!

Here's my first level!

It's not very planned out, I sort of just started making what I thought would be a short but pleasantly challenging level (hopefully it's not too tediously simple). Basically, you start at the lower-left, and your goal is to get to the upper-left (I don't usually like playing levels like that, but that's the kind of level I made just because it was fun to make).

clint_level1.tga

I was going off the assumption that Dave could jump up to a platform about 2 tiles above his current platform, but he couldn't really jump higher than that. Keep that in mind when thinking about how you would go about solving this level.

Usually I like the linear left-to-right levels in games better than the chase-all-around-the-level ones (however Commander Keen did a good job with that kind and I liked those), but like I said, this was just my first level.

Cheers! Lemme' know what you think!

Respectfully,
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*suspense, leaves you with feeling taht you MUST know what happens to Dave next*

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It's not very planned out, I sort of just started making what I thought would be a short but pleasantly challenging level (hopefully it's not too tediously simple). Basically, you start at the lower-left, and your goal is to get to the upper-left (I don't usually like playing levels like that,

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Hey clint... would you like to be included on the developers list?

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Originally posted by HanClinto:
One question about the tileset -- what are those two palm-tree-trunk looking things intended to be, and how are they intended to be used? It might be more useful if we had some boulders or rocks or something -- though I'm not sure. I could probably use those tiles better if I knew what they were supposed to be.

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tsk tsk tsk..I'm very dissapointed that you didn't recognize it.. they are pillars for the inka-style ruins I'll add more elements to the tileset... as far as I know I can append new elements to the bottom of the tileset without disrupting existing levels. Btw, did you use background and forground elements correctly?

What can you do with the levels?

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tsk tsk tsk..I'm very dissapointed that you didn't recognize it.. they are pillars for the inka-style ruins

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Aaaah -- okay.

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I'll add more elements to the tileset... as far as I know I can append new elements to the bottom of the tileset without disrupting existing levels.

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Yeah, I think that's correct (from what I looked at last night).

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Btw, did you use background and forground elements correctly?

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Since I don't know what the "standard" is, then I'll assume not. I made one map where I used background/foreground tiles, but that was more of an experiment -- I didn't think your test level had any background/foreground distinction -- I thought it was all just foreground?

In any case, I made some changes to the code last night. I couldn't find the original Dave sprite on my computer (apparently I forgot to download it), so I just drew my own, then I added a trigger command on 01 to add a new player, then I added the new player information, then I entered in all of the sprite information as far as what Dave collides with, and on what edges he collides with (for instance, the inca blocks he collides with all 4 sides, top/bottom/left/right, but the tree branches he only collides with the top).

I also made a trigger on the top-right block for it to be the "exit" block (I know that's not the way we want to do it later -- later we want to have it spawn an "exit" sprite, but it was late and I wanted to have Dave be able to finish a level), and then linked the two levels together (your level and my level).

I also added gravity, and a "can_climb" property to all of the tiles with climbing vines so that you can climb up the vines and run all around the map and such.

If you press "escape" it quits, if you fall off the bottom of the map it says "You lose!!!" and quits, if you beat both of the levels it says "You win!" and then quits.

Nothing much, and I'm sure I did a *ton* of stuff wrong (I couldn't figure out how to get the player functions to be local to the Game class, so I made them global functions -- I hadn't ever really done much Python before last night, but it wasn't too hard to figure out), so I don't expect you to use much if any of my code, Vincent. There is still a small problem when walking on top of tree branches that have vines on them -- I spent a good amount of time on it, but couldn't figure it out.

I spent *waaay* too much time working on this last night, but it was fun!

If you want to download my code, you can grab it here:
http://www.includingjudas.com/clint/dave_2a.zip

Again, Vincent, sorry if I totally butchered your design -- you have such a nice design going, and I think I may have totally whacked a lot of your structure. I don't necessarily think that my code would be a great code base to continue on, as it lacks planning, but especially the sprite collision info might be useful for you.

You write very clean code, Vincent -- I'm impressed. It seems like you have a clear idea in your head about how you want the code to be organized in the future -- sorry if I didn't follow that very well.

CPU:
I guess you can list me as a developer -- though hold off to see if I produce anything useful first. I doubt I'll have time to work on this in the future, my binge on coding in PyGame last night was probably more of a one-shot-deal than something that I'll continue doing. I would like an account with the blog though so that I can contribute to the programming side of discussion over there though.

In Christ,
clint

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I'm excited about different sprites -- Vincent, ones that I could see being useful are:
Dark background columns to compliment the lighter foreground ones. This way, we could have the dark ones be walk-through-able, while the lighter ones would be blocking.

Cracked blocks in various shapes

Maybe a 2x2 "big stone" block, with maybe an Aztec-looking sun on it?

We also need an exit sprite (maybe a sign that has some writing on it, and it can have text on it that will be read in between levels, such as
Kayario Village 10 Kilometers -->

Here's the new version with all of that formerly-global code now sitting happily in the Game class:
http://www.includingjudas.com/clint/dave_2b.zip

Cheers!

--clint

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I think I'm going to tone it down in the width area, just to get a consistent sprite width.

Kiwee, what height are you making your baddies?

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Nah, I didn't look at background and foreground stuff for my level, it was just for tileset-testing purposes only...

The idea behind the game engine is that it works object-orientated. So, I guess there will be a level object, which can contain one or more sprite characters. One sprite character has the focus (you). Each sprite character should have a controller.. this can either be some computer AI, or you behind the keyboard... That would be the neatest set up. Anyway, good work! I enjoyed playing the levels so far!

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Do you have instant messenger? I'd love to talk with you more about this and what I've done, and see where you'd like it to go.

My contact info is:
AIM: HanClinto
ICQ: 11462056
Yahoo: HanClinto
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E-mail: HanClinto at gmail dot com

Thanks!

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Also, how much have you done since you released your first version? I'm really trepidatious of stepping on your toes.

Thanks!

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I don't know python that well but I'm sure I could help out in some way. This is exciting to actually see something come together! I will take a look at the code tonight and let you know if I can help.

Great job guys! Keep it up!

Yeah, I hadn't ever really done Python before, but I was able to pick it up last night. This is actually a really nice setup going on here. If you were able to pick up C# so fast, I'm sure you'll have no sweat with Python.

Drawing sprites is fun! I need some better-sized sprites, and drawing my own was more appealing than modifying the existing Dave sprite. Here's what I've got so far!

Here is what I've got as our requirements so far for sprites:
Standing/Walking (3 sprites, 2 of them reaching, 1 neutral)
Climbing (3 sprites -- 2 of them reaching, 1 neutral)
Jumping (1)
Hurt/Stunned (1)
Throwing (2 -- 1 windup, one pitch)
Praying?

I'm still not sure on size -- I'm doing these 48 pixels high by 32 wide, but that's just because I wanted a character 48 pixels high to mess with.

What do you guys think? I guess a fair bit of this depends on the baddies that Kiwee has already drawn, since most of the work has probably gone into that.

Keep up the great work!

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I agree, Dave should definitely click his heels at the end of levels.

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lol Fingolfin.

I agree, Dave should definitely click his heels at the end of levels.

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I like that, lol, it's unique, I will include the motion in my next version release of Dave (same looking dave as before, just more sprites, including the Bible throwing animation.)

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Now Dave does not stick to vines but instead you need to press up to climb (You will just have to play it to understand). I also changed jump to be the spacebar. It can easily be changed back to up but it is just a matter of preference.

I also enhanced the way levels are loaded. I set it up to have 4 levels per area (for example: 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 1-4, 2-1, and so on). Now you can just drop new tilemaps in the levels folder and they will pick up automatically without having to change the code. I figured this would be good for those that don't know how to code so they can test their levels.

Unfortunately once it can't find a level the game bombs and it closes the game. I think sending a person back to the main screen would be ideal for now.

Anyway, Check it out. I am using savefile.com for storage if anyone has a better file hosting site let me know...
Bible Dave

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*is very pale and shaky*

anyway, the story lines gonna get another update soon!

stay tooned...

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Originally posted by fingolfin:

Sound (You seem to need a sound person)
Testing
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And When Dave Finishes a level, can he click his heels? Because a Heel-clicking missionary whose plane has crashed would be cool...

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Ok. I need your email to add you as a developer.
I dunno about the clicking heels.. unless vincent or Han can predict it being easy.

I have no idea how to use PGU yet and I'm having trouble downloading you guyzes levels. Then I can help.

So does this PGU make things easy?

BTW> htw I will try to host the fil on my site.. after all this was my idea!

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Can anyone give me a basic overview of what's going on? What's compleated/needed? How complex has this become?

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I don't know. I'm kinda out of the picture... um someone else?
I'll try to get in the picture soon.

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Controls:
Jump = Space
Left = Move Left
Right = Move Right
Up = Climb Vines

Main game screen shows when the game starts up. By pressing a key you enter the first level which you can now walk through thanks to HanClinto. After reaching the exit for a level the next level is loaded automatically until there are no more levels (or you fall down a whole and lose).

A quick programming todo list:
Animation - Jumping, Walking, Climbing, Heel clicking??
Pick-ups - This includes adding them to Daves current items
Enemies - Simplistic AI (perhaps pattern based?)
Attack - Whatever it is that removes enemies from the game
Objectives - This really isn't required

After completing the above items I think we should have a fairly complete yet simple game. Then we can start doing the detail work. Just my two cents...

My email is JFPeople@hotmail.com or M0rra7h@yahoo.com, take your pick.

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What version of python and pgu do you have?

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
this is why you guys should have set up a wiki or something like that.
an adaptable design doc that all can view and edit.
I would say, multiple sections with their own purpose, and the dev team can post updates there. I would recommend considering that for the next game.

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@fingolifin: does this mean all of my story is thrown out the window??

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No.... I didn't say that. IMO I don't like the idea of attacking evil when you are human. Prayer would be the only way for that. Now, to be honest, the story for a side scroller could be done AFTER the game is made, so it's not the most important thing right now (other then it defining the characters), so I don't wanna argue about it or anything, I just was trying to show a way we could have a non-violent storyline. Could your story be reworked as so it's non-violent?

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Remember to distribute all the source code. That means all the .py files (the .pyc and .pyo are in a binary format and I can't edit them)

This is a requirement!

Please update the files.

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Originally posted by fingolfin:
so this is totally free?

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If you're talking about audacity, yes
It's open-source so think free as in freedom first and free as in cost second. ANYthing downloadable on Sourceforge.net is free.

EDIT> Realm. Is there a .doc or .txt document for the plot?

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...im sorry fingolifin, i just don't see Dave being a violent guy.... =\

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well, but just cause it's not his personality, doesn't mean he needs to fight.
And throwing bibles at sin isn't a good picture to me, it's just wierd. I dunno, I'm okay with it, but I might like a different idea better, esp. a less violent/less bible throwing idea.
I never said life is without violence, but turning the other cheek is some that the target audiance (under 10) would more likely pick-up on. The story with deamons seems kinda dark, whereas cartoon animals the missionary is running from is a little less dark.
And we could skip the animals Idea, and have him running from his fears/demons if you want, where at the end of the level he reaches a sancutary from the fears/deamons(with angels and whatnot) but the problem with that idea it what happens if he doesn't finish the level? Like, does he get tormented? that wouldn't be so great, maybe he just doubts, and then there is a screen saying a verse about trusting in God... (this would be able to go with your exellent story, and then we wouldn't have to scrap/majorly edit it)

I'm purposing a different syle of game. A race/beat the clock style game. But maybe we could just have that as a change of pace, some of the levels be like a dream with deamons/doubts chasing you, etc...
Could wwe have a better fighting system if we are going to have a fighting system, cause I don't like the bible idea (I said that already :-()
We could just have it like a pac-man/aviod the bad guys (not a race) game... That would stop the need for a battle system.

Any thoughts?
And could we decided on the bad guys, deamons/sin/fear, or animals/lions/snakes, and have a bonus level with dave on a sheep (I love bounus levels :-))

We really need to figure out what style game we are doing (I'm not sure if this was already figured out, and I'm just trying to change it, and if it was, and if I am, I'm sorry, just tell me)
I vote for avoid style with animals, and then would could have a few beat the clock levels (dream like levels) with fears/deamons in them.
Of course, those ideas could be totally un-do-able programming wise as well.

what do ya'll think?

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I must keep reminding people.
The game (in it's first edition, right now) is not going to be all of what Realm is writing it up to be. It's becoming too complex for this first version. However in later versions we might be able to up the ante.
I must say that we are heading in the same direction as the 1 Month game which failed. (ie: too many things being added on too late. Too fancy, etc)

Have you read milestone one on:
http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/2005/10/milestone-1.html ?

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Oh. yes the game is released under the GNU GPL.

I must keep reminding people.
The game (in it's first edition, right now) is not going to be what Realm is writing it up to be. It's becoming too complex.
I must say that we are heading in the same direction as the 1 Month game which failed. (ie: too many things being added on too late. Too fancy, etc)

Have you read milestone one on:
http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/2005/10/milestone-1.html ?

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Perhaps just a back plot? like in Super Mario World? Realm, if I were you I wouldn't throw completely your story out, just cut it back a little. Tkae what you have and make it simple.

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I thought the plot would be included in text form, and then maybe we could have a splash screen at the begining of the game with a bit of the story.

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Yeah that's what I planed.
Realm. Download this to get a better idea of a simple plot (still though it should have a Realm Mastery feel).

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Maybe where it starts with Dave at the crash scene of his plane.

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ahh well... I tried...

i probably did get too complex with the story line...

my part has ended. (if it even began..)

l8tr.

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my part has ended. (if it even began..)

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(From my Blogger.com post....)

my last hurrah

well my "Basic" plot has been laied: jungle, destert, mountain, jungle, evil ruins, jungle, end.

first jungle he discovers bible and water

destert he gives bibles to the ppl in each village, fights evil elder, defeats all of his sin, learns that he crashed many miles off course

mountain he gives bibles to small travelling ppls, at the end saves a village after alvalanche (Decite appears in that part), goes through tunnel using bibles as light to reach other side of mountain

second jungle he goes into a jungle as it gets darker and darker, he meets fewer and fewer people to give his bibles to, untill, at the end, he only meets a hermit. but the hermit is really deciete, and it tricks Dave into going the wrong way

ruins Dave was tricked into going into the ancient ruins, ovverrun with Sins and Deamons because of its evil past, at the end (reversal on my story) he destorys an altar which many Sins (including murder) come out of, ridding the Jungle of its ominous feeling

third jungle Dave comes out of the ruins, but he still has half a jungle to trekk over. Sins that escaped from the Altar harras him on his way.

end Dave comes out from the jungle and travels one laste road to a small village... when Dave gets there, he realizes with joy that it is the Village he was originally destined to go to!! Dave is overjoyed and the game is over, great job to those who played! Awesome creidts that has everyone who worked on game (my name will be a source of debate ) and the end message: God Rules (or something like that)

Sequel (too early to talk bout this but...) is about Dave trying to esablish missions across the land and maintaining them!

tada, my part is done, because i don't want to complicated it anymore...

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the Ruins are the hardest and toughest part (after them, it'd be a breeze) so yeah, that could work out really really nicely, but, we need everybody else's approval.

seesh, i thought i was done after i posted that.

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So, that's what I think, how about it?

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Everyday we should be standing up to evil, not by our own strength but with God's strength. I personally think Realm's idea shows how the world can be dark but God will prevail!

Sorry if I sound harsh but I really feel this needed to be said.

are there any free sound editors?

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But regarding the demon thing, there should not be any killing demons, only them fleeing or them simply being defeated, and I like the Bible throwing idea better than the jumping on their heads, if Dave jumps on their head then it's through his own ability that the demons are defeated.

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CPU - I'm using Python 2.4 .. the latest version. Did you try removing the .pyc files? It should really work fine. In included the PGU libs into the package...

PGU makes life much easier.

well, I won't have time to work on the game right now, church, but I'll see what I can do this afternoon.

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Originally posted by Realm Master:
@#(*&)!!! i knew it was too good to be true (me writing the storY)

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Listen. It's a great plot. But too complex for this game!!
If this project works and we want to make a sequel... we'll have:
More experience
More time
And probably a few more coding volunteers!

Then we'll be able to use your story line like it should be used.
I'm saving it and putting it up on my site for future use. And if no one else wants to help with a later version... you'll still be in the credits as a main contributor (what's a game without a plot?)

I should rephrase my self:

We can't use all of your plot but we can use some of it.

Do you think you could email me an edited version?

I'm a writer too (though not as creative as you) so I know a lot about this stuff. You've completed a first draft. Now you need to polish it! (ie: proofread, edit, cut 'n paste, shrink it a little)

but save the unpolished version.

Like I said we still need you (and I'm going to edit my post).

Please understand that we can use your more complex plot in future editions.

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited October 16, 2005).]

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so what? we're droppin the sin??

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If we drop sin, there's no game because there's no bad guys.

Um vincent... I was right. You dind't include menu.py, just menu.pyc....

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited October 16, 2005).]

The game is awesome!!! You guys have done a great job!
I hacked main.py to not include menu.pyc (I still need .py folks) and it worked.

Realm! I think we can use some of your story's complexity!!!!

Realm to get a feel on how the game is going downloda python, pygame, pgu and play the game! It's great!

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CPU gets a 22 gun salute for starting this project!

okay.. python-2.4.2 takes FOREVER TO DOWNLOAD! IM STILL DONWLOADING IT!!!

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okay a few things i need to know:

A. how do you create levels

B. WHAT HAPPEND TO THE ORIGINAL DAVE??

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and how DO you use the level-editor, or just edit the levels?

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[This message has been edited by lava (edited October 16, 2005).]

Would it be posible to build this into the game so we could press a button and it loads the current level for editing? Perhaps that would take a bit of time to implement but it would save the level designers some time.

"What happened to the original Dave?" The original Dave was never in a consistent sprite format. I drew sprites that fit into specs better, and used those in the game. I just needed art to work with, and the art that I had wasn't acceptable. If you don't like it, you can change it -- it doesn't bother me.

Personally, I don't like the whole demon-slaying idea. I know that among many people on this board, there is a large following of Frank Peretti and his work and everything that goes along with demon-hunting, but frankly I'm not comfortable giving demon-hunting games to the people at my church to let their kids play -- I just don't think it's a very good focus of doctrine. It has its place, but it doesn't need to be incorporated into *every* single game idea that we have. If we do incorporate spirits and demons or something else like that into the game, we should include it with tact and responsibility -- these are not light subjects to throw around and treat however we feel is "cool".

Realm, you have a lot of energy, and many good ideas. If you want to be a game designer, one thing you have to learn how to do is create a storyline that is feasible to implement -- so much of what you've laid out are great ideas, but it's too much, and way outside the scope of this project. Big ideas are fantastic, but unless they're small enough to be realized, they'll remain only that -- ideas. Something I've been learning a lot about lately is culling my ideas to a manageable size. I've never been on a game project that's finished, because they've all been too large in one way or another. By paring things down, we might actually get something done.

I'm not bashing everything you've done, and this is no reason for you to think you're "out of the picture" in any way. But if you want to be a help to this project or other projects in the future, you will need to make your ideas more feasible.

Here is a link to a great, short, easy read about how to design a level and puzzle for an adventure game.
http://www.barnettcollege.com/tutorial2.htm

So CPU, it seems like you're the project leader -- I'd recommend that you nail down our design document soon. Are we going to have puzzles? Are we going to have jump-n-run sytle things? What is the necessary list, what is the "it would be nice" list? You have a good start on milestones, but we need more. I'm not sure what our final functionality is going to be, but we need to know the major things so that we can add the features into the engine very soon (for instance, if we need scripted dialogs/cutscenes, that's a big job that needs to be added now, not later).

It's coming along great, guys. Right now, we seriously need some specs, and immediately we need specs for the Dave's sprites, specifically, what size is the Dave sprite going to be?

I never heard what size the enemy sprites that Kiwee was working on are?

Cheers!

I downloaded the changes that you made Heard, and I'll check this evening.

As far as where to put our changes when we've made them -- can't we use the file upload thing that's on the blog?

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GAAH!! DAVE IS GREEN... and UN-DAVEISH!! AUGGH!! Dave.. what have they DONE to yoU?!??! AUGH!

okay a few things i need to know:

A. how do you create levels

B. WHAT HAPPEND TO THE ORIGINAL DAVE??

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Bring back Dave! Bring back Dave!

and how DO you use the level-editor, or just edit the levels?

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Realm, please don't double post. It's very bad "net-iquette" (especially since you asked the same 2 questions in the same thread, 11 minutes apart).

And to use the level-editor, there are very nice tutorials on the PGU site -- did you read them? After you've read them, I'll be happy to answer your questions, but not before.

--clint

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All of the audio should be trimmed and normalized to -3 dB, and saved in the .ogg format (Ogg Vorbis).

You should probably also save them in .wav format as well (at a fairly high bitrate) in case we need to re-encode into another format (such as MP3). You could even keep the original .aup files if you wanted, but I doubt that's necessary.

As far as what kinds of sounds to make, I think the list you had above would be a good place to start. Here's the list that I would think necessary off the top of my head:

Intro Music
Menu Interaction Sounds (2 sounds, one for highlight, one for select)
Level start sound
Level finish sound
Walking
Vine Climbing
Jumping
Landing
Throwing
"Ooomph" -- hit noise
A "sad" sound / riff for when he runs out of energy and has to restart a level.
A couple of powerup-collection noises (whether he finds another pack-o-tracts or health or something -- depending on what we do, we'll need an assortment)

Does that answer your questions regarding sound? The game will be distributed as free software, and no money will be made from it, so I would think anything used in other GPL products could be used here.

Cheers!

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Great, I have both that program, and goldwave, I will start work on it....
tommorow. Ogg? okay, I like .au, but that's just me, I'll save it in both ogg and wav.

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I'll suggest OGG for music, and WAV for sound FX. The liberary we use supports OGG and uncompressed WAV files.

Well I hacked away at the source code last night, and merged my changes and HeardTheWord's changes. I *really* like the new movement stuff that Heard put in there -- great job! I pounded on that for a long time, and didn't come up with anything that worked nearly as well as you made, Heard.

Here is my latest version:
[url]http://www.includingjudas.com/clint/dave_2005_10_16_ch.zip[/ur]

ch are my initials, and the numbers are year/month/day format.

I've included both Daves in this version, and both sprites now work.

I made a walk animation, just to play around with it and see how I liked it. I think it turned out okay, but I think everyone wants to go back to the original Dave?

I haven't figured out yet how to animate PyGame sprites, but I plan on learning that today or tomorrow. Then we can add animations like these into the game.

Vincent, I've taken your orders and spent a good amount of time organizing and documenting the code. Btw, if you'd rather spend more of your time on graphics, I think Heard and I might be able to have a pretty good handle on getting most of the coding work done -- you can just oversee it. You've done a great job with the artwork -- I'd love for you to continue in that regard. In that case, you could spend most of your time managing the art and determining the direction that the "look" of the game will go. Then I guess the next up on the hierarchy is CPU, who will hold final say over you for the look, and the feel? Or is CPU mainly nailing down the overall story, message, and gameplay of the game?

I'm happy just being a code-monkey.

As far as storyline goes, this whole jungle theme has gotten me thinking about Indiana Jones. One game idea that I've been mulling around for a while now is a Christian religious archeologist, much like Indiana Jones, who goes around, looking for ancient Christian artifacts. So one example might be Elijah's Mantle, which supposedly has the ability to control rivers and direct the flow of water (and therefore the flow of life) on earth. There is a mad, epic race between the hero and the villian to reach the artifact, and at the very last scene, the hero has a chance to kill the villian, but he offers him mercy instead. The villian accepts the mercy, but then double-crosses our hero, and claims the artifact for himself! There is a climactic moment as the villian begins his incantation to invoke the power of the artifact.... and nothing happens. The villian is dumbfounded as he sits down and is taken into custody, and hauled away to Happy Acres High Security. The moral of the story is that, unlike in Indiana Jones, these religious artifacts don't hold the power -- the power lies with God, and we can't control that.

Realm, I'm sorry if I hit you too hard yesterday. And I think you're right, it's not quite Peretti-style demon-hunting. I think your storyline is interesting and game-worthy. I'm very happy working on the current project with the current storyline -- often on CCN, we have too many chiefs and not enough indians -- so count me an indian.

Respectfully,
clint

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Bring back Dave! Bring back Dave!

and how DO you use the level-editor, or just edit the levels?

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It's kinda weird but you'll get the hang of it. Download http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/data/levels/dave_2b-1.zip

And rename leveledit to leveledit.py, double click enter the full path of the level1_3.tga file (or any level) see how it's made then play the game!
Then make a level and test it.

The tiles are a bunch of numbers so it take ssome getting used to.

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As far as storyline goes, this whole jungle theme has gotten me thinking about Indiana Jones. One game idea that I've been mulling around for a while now is a Christian religious archeologist, much like Indiana Jones, who goes around, looking for ancient Christian artifacts. So one example might be Elijah's Mantle, which supposedly has the ability to control rivers and direct the flow of water (and therefore the flow of life) on earth. There is a mad, epic race between the hero and the villian to reach the artifact, and at the very last scene, the hero has a chance to kill the villian, but he offers him mercy instead. The villian accepts the mercy, but then double-crosses our hero, and claims the artifact for himself! There is a climactic moment as the villian begins his incantation to invoke the power of the artifact.... and nothing happens. The villian is dumbfounded as he sits down and is taken into custody, and hauled away to Happy Acres High Security. The moral of the story is that, unlike in Indiana Jones, these religious artifacts don't hold the power -- the power lies with God, and we can't control that.

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Hey all!

I made a walk animation, just to play around with it and see how I liked it. I think it turned out okay, but I think everyone wants to go back to the original Dave?

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That looks great! I'll intergrate that into the dave sprite.

Ok, now I need a list of different actions Dave will do so that way I can draw them for Dave. I know a few already:

Walking
Jumping
Climbing Vines
Throwing Bibles (are we still keeping that?)

Anything else? Will he be pushing anything? Will he able to look up or duck?

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[This message has been edited by lava (edited October 17, 2005).]

And he has two directions
Left
Right

He'll probably throw *something* in the future.

A celebration animation would be good.

Here is the latest Bible Dave source:
http://www.includingjudas.com/clint/dave_2005_10_17_ch.zip

It has changing sprites, and I use the walk animation that I had available to make it. To add in your own animation from your Dave sprite, just replace the files in the images directory. You can make them a different size if you want -- it's not hard to change in the source.

I didn't feel like animating the climb right now (as art is not my forte, as you can tell), so I just drew a single frame animation and left it at that. When you draw more, I can put those in also.

If anyone is looking for a free pixel-based editor, one that I just found a couple of days ago that I *really* like is jdraw -- it's free, open-source, and is a nice upgrade from Windows Paint (which is what I used almost exclusively before this).

Cheers!

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You just described Veggie Tales: Minnesota Cuke. Like, almot perfectly. Cept it was Samsons Hair Brush, not Elijah's mantle...

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-Working on sound (i'm not a pro, but it's insanely fun...)

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Excellent! I haven't put sound into the game yet, but as soon as you have some for us, I look forward to putting it in! Just thing, you get to be in the credits as:

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Very cool.

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You may find them in .sxw or .doc or even .html @:

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I think you forgot the address

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Yeah I did.Here it is:
http://www.jqsoftware.com/2month/data/BibleDaveDesignDocs.zip

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First off -- GREAT JOB!!! *Very* nice job on cutting the game down to a manageable size.

I'm glad to be working on this project.

Cheers!

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CPU -- just read the design docs.

First off -- GREAT JOB!!! *Very* nice job on cutting the game down to a manageable size.

I'm glad to be working on this project.

Cheers!

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Throwing Bibles (are we still keeping that?)

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OPENING BIBLES! we didn't want him to throw them... kinda disrespectful (ask any librarian )

[after reading design docs] hey! SOME of my story was used... wow! Now 1 thing: Dave dosn't get to defeat the Original Deciet, the bad guy who made him go into the ruins in the first place? COuld we add that? lol, well its up to you.

hmm.. my story lines been changed, thats for sure!

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I am also glad to hear you worked on the animations since that is something that I wasn't sure how to add. Anything specific you would like me to work on or should I just take a gander at the design doc and use my best judgement? Great job guys!

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i had an idea: when We (you guys) are finished we could make a trailer (i have an idea, and powerpoint! ) and send it (along wiht a link to the download able game) to our Churche's websites! As long as you dont have to install all of the python stuff to play it, it should catch some attention!

we... CAN make this an exe... RIGHT??

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