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Robin Hood ideology, what do you think? Would some say that to steal from the rich and give to the poor is Christian? Should rich only steal? Is stealing back what is yours stealing? Well Robin Hood was thought o be a character of virtue but was he just a thief? ------ Here are some quotes to think about “Eat to live, and not live to eat.” Benjamin Franklin “Do not waste your time on Social Questions. What is the matter with the poor is poverty; what is the matter with the rich is uselessness.” George Bernard Shaw “A man who shows me his wealth is like a begger who shows me his poverty; they are both looking for alms -- the rich man for the alms of my envy, the poor man for the alms of my guilt. “ Ben Hecht “No, not rich. I am a poor man with money, which is not the same thing. “ Gabriel Garcia Marquez “The forces of a capitalist society, if left unchecked, tend to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. “ Jawaharlal Nehru “The rich rob the poor and the poor rob one another. “ Sojourner Truth |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
Robin Hood = Swords, Bows Swords-Bows = COOL!
im very... stupid. ------------------ Blessed are those who show mercy. Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: How can one know what really belongs to him? Jesus said: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. Matthew-22:21
Matthew 4:4 Also we are to over come evil with good - not fight back with evil, for out battle is not against the flesh. ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
CPUFreak91 Member Posts: 2337 From: Registered: 02-01-2005 |
Well unless someone steals from you, I think you're allow to "steal" it back before, say they sell whatever they stole from you. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Thou shalt nawwwwt, foowel. |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: In that case you would know that it belongs to you, yes. However Jesus spoke about turning the other cheek: Matthew-5:40
Luke-12 ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
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Well I agree in a way, but tell me what you think of this. God wants us to use our brain and not let everyone walk all over us. In war many people were starving and the Nazis took a lot of food from people and the people had to steal it back and sometimes they had to defend themselves and kill the soldiers that were going to kill you and your family. Turning the other cheek yes but if you let them kill you, your family, and the well being of many to the point you need to steal back and you have to defend. Many in the war did not steal back food and dies on the street. Others did not kill an enemy and the enemy killed many more. The problem it seems we are letting sins happen for the sake to turn the other cheek and we have to see where the fine line is. If we let evil do whatever it wants we are just encouraging it. Even Robin Hood has the monk helping him in the story. It is good to give and people should give something to someone when you are taking away from another when you have responsibility to feed a family. More people should give and the ones that should give the most are the rich but you see many that waste it on silly things like a 7million dollar for a cross that they show off and they only give a fraction to charities. It seems we Christian are helping become poorer form letting the rich get richer to not do anything which hurts others. If ˝ of the Christians didn’t fight for the other ˝ that do not fight we would have no more Christians. Even many priests are knows to start revolutions over dictators and other leader that destroy lives and the well being of so many. Even the founding fathers of the US that used the bible while making most of the constitution says that revolutions should happen to keep the government in check and to not let it get to big. Well I don't know but can anyone here give everything to me even your pay checks and let God do it all? Would someone tell Christ to get off the donkey so that they can ride into the city as prophesized? Obviously no since people must do what they must do to do good, but they should give it helps more. Just a thought |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: The way I feel about this is very different. I believe we shouldn't use our own strength nor brain and definitely not fight back. Because it's not our time now but the battle is already and wounds will be healed in heaven. We are blessed if we can live in safe environment but if not, then not.
quote: Think about the apostoles who's only mission and purpose was to bring the Gospel of Christ into world. Sometimes they eat their stomach full, sometimes not, some of them we're thrown to jail and many of them we're killed.
quote: Love is more powerful than hate isn't it? Romans 12:20 Sure violence can bring peace, for a while. But which one is better to have, an ally or dead enemy? I really don't believe in the way of war and the monk in Robin hood isn't the kind of monk I would consider a good Christian example. Well I quess we are looking this in two different ways. (I don't mean to imply anything)
Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 [This message has been edited by jari (edited September 17, 2005).] |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
i just think wehen Jesus said something, He meant to apply it in every situation. like loving your enemy, praying for those who despitefully use you. the love of God is what we are suppose to show in this life, if people reject the love of God here than God will deal with them. *edit* ...as for stealing, well apply "thou shalt not" into every situation. like "thou shalt do no murder". proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs [This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited September 17, 2005).] |
en972 Member Posts: 562 From: NOT TELLING! Registered: 08-27-2004 |
Jari what translation are you using? ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: KJV from http://www.justbible.com/index.htm why..? ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
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en972 Member Posts: 562 From: NOT TELLING! Registered: 08-27-2004 |
It just seemed really old  ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Yea it is very old version of the KJV. Close to the KJV 1611 I believe. ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
the "love your enemy" passages, I believe, is concerned with one's motivation, and not as much with one's action. sometimes you just need to give the enemy a bullet. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Likewise there is no righteous one, there is none innocent. Thats why Jesus told us not to cast stones - not to judge. Well I don't want to say more about this since you have your own mind, but I'll say this: If some one is about to kill me, don't shoot him. Because I may go to heaven but he needs to be saved. ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
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quote: You should save others and not kill them, but if you know more people will not have a chance to be saved since the killer will kills them then you are responsible if you had the power to stop it. Also you are not sure you will go to heaven and God will ask you why you throw your life away. But if you let evil run free and not stop it then you are helping to spread evil, and you will be judges for that too. Also that you let yourself die which is like suicide and that is another sin. Also to know that the person will kill others and the person is sinning, and many other bad things. You do not have to hate the enemy but you do have to defend yourself and stop the progress of more sin. To stop 1 sin as you thick that will bring up multiple sins does not justify the action. And another problem is that 1 sin can be forgiven if you regret it, but if you did many and you did not regret it and had the power to stop them and you didn’t then there is a big problem. As for war it is not good, but when someone comes and wants to wipe you out you have to defend. For example if we are taking a test in school it is bad to stand up, talk with others, or fight. But when a stranger comes in and attacks and kills people while taking the test only a fool will stay in there seat and keep doing the test while others and you will be killed. People have to decide what is right or ask a "real" priest for guidance. I know many priests have been affected by society as well but you have to keep looking for one that gives a logical explanation. Christianity is logic so we have to see things logically.
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
however, not one of us can actually save someone. it's God.and God already knows before hand who will and won't be saved. all I say is, do what you must. I believe that self-defense is perfectly fine, that the "turning the other cheek" is about pride rather than defending oneself. slaps are meant to insult, not to harm. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Warsong now I disagree with you about that allowing your self to die is a sin. It's suicide only if you provoke people to attack you. Jesus gave His life for others and He did not sin. Because He did not ask any one to kill Him but He knew it would happen. ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
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I agree with that. |
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bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
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------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs |
