--D-SIPL

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i heard beer didn't tase all that great anyway.

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Blessed are those who show mercy.
They will be shown mercy. - Matthew 5:7

Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right.
The kingdom of hevan bleongs to them.-Matthew 5:10

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Oh, and getting drunk is not a sin in all instances:

Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more (Proverbs 31:06-07)

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anyhow, I think getting drunk and addicted is wrong, but a drink here and there is fine. Paul suggested some wine to timothy for his stomach and Jesus himself made wine.
I personally will stay away from alcohol considering the way I am; when I like something, I go all the way.

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some quotes
Luke
21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be
overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life,
and so that day come upon you unawares.
21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Romans
13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness,
not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for
the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

1st corinthians
5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the
covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs
go out of the world.
5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man
that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater,
or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not
to eat.

6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of
God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

galatians
5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies,
5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the
which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians
5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with
the Spirit;
5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,
singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

1st Thessalonian
5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be
sober.
5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are
drunken in the night.
5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate
of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

But this drunk does not mean to drink wine but to be drunk of fornication in revelations.
17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and
the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of
her fornication.

--D-SIPL

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Romans
13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness,
not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

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warsong, from my understanding the Bible says do not be drunk but it also says do not cause your brother to stumble. Drinking may not be wrong according to the law of the land or the Bible, but another thing to consider is will it cause harm in the spiritual walk of another believer. Now, most of the people who would get upset are just old, traditionalists who would sayd "the Bible says do not drink at all" but I've seen Christians lose credibility just because of one drink. I do not think it should have turned out that way...but drinking (or seeing someone drink) has never been a stumbling block for me.

MastaLlama

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God rules!

Blessed are those who show mercy.
They will be shown mercy. - Matthew 5:7

Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right.
The kingdom of hevan bleongs to them.-Matthew 5:10

To be buzzed I do not fully get it but some say it is in between sober and getting drunk in a way that you feel an affect. Some people you see them drink and they act different but they are not legally drunk. Some say it makes the blood temporarily thin. But I am not 100% sure about buzzed.

As for what Gump said about Proverbs 31:06-07 “Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish,” well to perish mean to die and if you will not die don’t get drunk.

I look on some other forums online and some say these “opinions”

“Getting "buzzed," as you put it, requires several beers at once (unless you are Asian and 2 feet tall). Several beers at once are physically harmful instead of beneficial. Therefore, getting "buzzed" is harmful.

“Yes, drinking until a buzz is felt is bad for the body. It's an indisputable fact. If someone wants to poison themselves with ethanol, should we really stop them?”

“Is getting a good buzz on the same as the intoxication that is talked against so often in the Scriptures? My opinion is that the answer is yes”

“I think the fact that alcohol can make us feel good (buzz) is the reason it is abused into drunkenness.”

“What I can't justify is having in excess two standard drinks (1.2 oz alcohol net) in one evening--the limit suggested by alcohol abuse educators for healthy drinking.”

Well one medical site said that to drink 1 beer a day does not help the person mentally grow and one example was if a 15 year old drinks 1 beer a day for 10 years he will still have a 15 year old brain when 25. But I would guess it depends on how big the person is.

MastaLlama

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Drinking isn't a sin. Jesus "ate and drank". He just never got drunk. Being drunk is a sin tho

In Guatemala they have a drink called "Sangria" it's sugar, 2/3 fruit juice and 1/3 wine.... I REALLY like that (but not @ $3.25 for 10 oz).

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited September 07, 2005).]

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I personally will stay away from alcohol considering the way I am; when I like something, I go all the way.

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same here.

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

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[This message has been edited by bennythebear (edited September 07, 2005).]

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs

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Originally posted by brandon:
Why help destroy your own body?

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Also, I'm almost certain that it's been proven that what they called wine (not strong drink)

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Well you could still get drunk. Read Mathew, Jesus' first miracle ever at the wedding. They saved the best wine for last because the guests were a bit drunk and wouldn't notice. That way the not-so-good wine was drunken first.

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[This message has been edited by CPUFreak91 (edited September 08, 2005).]

Also about the drunken thing. The saying to be drunken in the Hebrew language does not always mean to be drunk in the evil sense of the word, but sometimes it means an abundant and plentiful use of wine.(Geneva Bible notes)

I think that you can be a drunkard or glutton with any type of drink; soda, grape juice, even water. Actually you can even die from drinking too much water... not healthy. Yeah, I can see the Pharisees condemning Jesus and saying that He was a drunk and a glutton, when in fact He was neither.

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Originally posted by brandon:
I'm not judging everyone who drinks, I just think that it's true that the combination of alchohol and human beings is one of the most destructive forces on this planet,

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Yes. Especially for those who can't control themselves... drink, drink, drink... they can't say. Alright I must stop now or I'll be drunk and then something bad will happpen.

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I personally believe that a little alchohol is not wrong, but a regular dependency on it is, as is getting drunk (of affected..) the difference between alchohol and say drugs (i.e dope) is that you can't do dope in moderation, it has an affect either way, but half a glass on wine with a meal doesn't typically have any effect on somebody..

when i was in China i would often have a beer with a meal, because in the culture it wasn't abused (as much), but back in my western culture, i try to lead an example of hardly ever having any, because i know the tragic effects of the normalisation of its abuse on our society,

also sadly i've seen many christians slowly decent into alchoholic dependency and abuse slowly, after having justified that there is nothing wrong with it.. I have seen this all to often, and not just amoung the young , but amoung my parents generation.

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Intersting, don't you think?

Wine, at the time of Jesus, was not necessarily always alcoholic; however, it is important to remember that natural fermenation was used in the keeping and storing of food - so fresh wine (which would be from freshly pressed grapes, or what would basically be grape juice) would eventually ferment. Even tea will ferment when left too long - with or without refrigeration.

One thing for certain - you can't witness properly if you are drunk. As for being "buzzed", this is essentially the point at which the brain hits the point of individual tolerance to alcohol - when the senses initially become inhibited. People who drink consistently will have a higher tolerance than those who have never had alcohol or those who drink alcohol seldomly or infrequently.

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Secondly, the Bible warns against wine that has turned red, which only occurs after fermentation, ie. alcohol.

Lastly, they used to call alcoholic drinks ... spirits, ever wonder why?

God Bless!
Hisart

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