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Everything the US and British news tells you just do not listen and be always skeptical no matter how believable it may seem. Since the US Gov., UN, NATO is use to saying lies and brainwashes people with BS. Here is an article about Kosovo how it was a lie in which the majority of US people do not get. “U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10 (for planning, announcing and executing attacks intended to assassinate government leaders and selected civilians, e.g. "friends of Milosevic," the Yugoslav president)” It was made up "You provide the photographs, and I'll provide the war," "He quoted the German Foreign Office Report that there was no ethnic cleansing in Kosovo prior to the NATO attack, just actions against the KLA guerrillas." "The "mass graves" found in Kosovo now add up to maybe 200 persons while the supposed 100,000 dead Albanian males of NATO/U.S. propaganda was just another lie, he said. Brian Becker of the IAC argued that the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia (ICTY) which indicted Milosevic was a "phony, kangaroo court which only indicted enemies of Washington" and a court for which the U.N. Charter makes no provision." Many countries were against the war which one country states “They are destroying the country, bombing it with novel weapons, toxic nerve gasses, surface mines dropped by parachute, bombs containing uranium, black napalm, sterilization chemicals, spraying to poison crops and weapons of which even we still do not know anything." The any place near Kosovo is hazardous and a increase in Cancer in surrounding countries have increased all for a lie which the Us knew the outcome and people in the US Cheered for. Also, the fact that many elected Hillary Clinton for senator and want her for president shows how brainwashed people are, since it is well known fact that she was always with Bill in the decision making. Read the site to see some more criminal violations the US has done, and if you think this is not Terrorism then you are not a Christian. This is one example out of a multitude of examples. If you want a Christian game for a story then understand what is going on in life and you will find it more appealing than any form of entertainment. |
Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
There's no such thing as a good war. And there are many instances of very bad wars, as in this case. Thats why you should never take anyone's word for anything, always be on the search for truth. Kinda makes you think doesn't it? Just the same, I'm going to research this some more before posting my thoughts. Also, I don't exactly see what this had to do with the U.S. hating Christianity. ------------------ The old that is stong does not wither From the ashes a fire shall be woken Renewed shall be blade that was broken |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
even if your claim(u.s. hates Christians) is fully true, so what? a part of this world hates Christians. Why do so many people get caught up in the affairs of this world? governments lie, wars start that shouldn't, several leaders are greedy and lustful and seek their own good and not their people's...that's the way the world turns. ------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs |
MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: although I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post and I'm always looking for more information, I find the above statement very offensive. I am a Christian regardless due to my relationship with Christ. My Christianity is not in jeopardy because YOU believe something is "terroristic" in nature. It is not up to YOU to judge anyone else's relationship with Christ by comparing their reactions to words posted on a website. I would have continued through your post and probably even read the link you posted, but now I will not. I will find my answers elsewhere. Have a good day. MastaLlama ------------------ |
cwc Member Posts: 121 From: USA Registered: 07-30-2005 |
Yeah, I kinda agree with you MastaLlama. Also, the statement " US Gov. hate Christianity" is kinda wack, if you ask me. I mean we have a christian president.......... I think he is part of our goverment.....hehe  [This message has been edited by cwc (edited August 24, 2005).] |
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Terrorism: "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons." http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=terrorism Yep all seem to be in check. Maybe I should not call it a war but a terrorist act? Anyway is anyone here not from the US? I see some do not get it. No thing as a good war but wars have rule and the US breaks most of them sad to say. If no one followed the rules of war we would be all dead from a nuclear aftermath. Like I said before how all of Kosovo's Christian churches which is over 100 have been burned down and you do not hear about this in the US news. The News spins it off as an attack on Muslims but Christians were being attacked and they did not want to say it. People that hate Christianity do not understand it, and people that do bad thing and say they are Christians do not act like Christians. If we keep letting evil do what it does it makes us evil since we let it happen. We as Christians should spread what Christ said and we have to be involved with the world to be able to give Christianity to the people that do not know. Other orthodox Christian nations were against the war and wanted to help Serbia or not participate but Us will not stop its Muslim terrorist allies like Turkey that said if anyone aids them we will attack you which that country has many human rights violations. But the US sides mostly with these countries since one president said "they may be SOB but they are our SOB". The KLA was a terrorist organization and the Us funded and worked with them and since they have the power to change the name terrorist to freedom fighter. They also help train, fun, work with and give power to other dictators and terrorists. To aid other terrorist countries is not Christian and the more you help other evil countries then you are going against Christians. Like Bush said if you aid terrorist you are one. Many priests have stated how these actions are an attack on Christianity. If you look at what places have been bombed by the US you will see that many Christian places like churches, cemeteries, and other religious places have been bombed. Even Ann Coulter has stated how this war wrong. The US runs to every Muslim nation to help it, but when it is a Christian nation they attack it, and no way will they get any help. Also they do not say now in the news about the atrocities that is taking place against the Christian Serbs now, but At least the BBC kind of hits on it. ---Mastallama For you to not read it out of spite does not validate your argument. People are what they do. We are not being like Clinton to define the word “IS”. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and moves like a duck it is a duck. Maybe I am wrong on this point, but if people want to be treated like a particular thing they should act like it. As for calling Bush a Christian president I would more likely say he is a protestant president like the majority of them and the ones that were not got take out like Kennedy. Christianity is also at war with other Christians and all Orthodox countries know this and have faced the barrel of a gun many times by forceful conversions from Catholics and Protestants. But the Kosovo conflict was Clintons “war” which he seems to have broken the record for bringing the most truly non-Christians in the white house which one of them was Monica and that trial was to cover up the other things he would have been impeached for. |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
First off, I did not finishing reading your post because I do not care to read the thoughts of someone who is judging my relationship with Christ...it had nothing to do with spite. Second... quote: ...is NOT what you said. You said... quote: ...which says if I do not "think" like you do then I am not a Christian. Third, you should get your facts straight. quote: President Bill Clinton was impeached, but he was never removed from office. True, there may have been worse things to take him to trial on, but the fact remains he was impeached. Yes, he was not the best President we ever had, but that too is just my opinion, which I am entitled to, but I will not condemn previous Clinton supports who claim they are Christians and say they are not because they supported him. MastaLlama ------------------ |
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bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
i know there are people from outside of the u.s. here, but they prob'ly have better things to do than argue(civilized discussion) about things they really don't pertain to the furthering of the kingdom of God. ------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
quote: Listen, there ARE no rules in war, those "rules" are just pieces of paper made to keep citizens and soldiers happy, and would gladly be shredded if it should prove useful to do so. A government is made up of the leaders we have now. Granted, what happened in the past was bad, but we can't change it. So, I suggest you take the information you've acquired and use it to help prevent such things from happening in the future, instead of ranting about it and drawing conclusions that really make little or no sense (In the sense of a war Christians are just citizens, and hold no special significance, in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some christians were killed during the Iraq war as well.) Its a matter of now, not of the past. "Forgetting what lies behind, I press on toward the prize, for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. Phillipians 3:14" ------------------ The old that is stong does not wither From the ashes a fire shall be woken Renewed shall be blade that was broken |
D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Bush sucks, war sucks, but what we gonna do? meh. --D-SIPL ------------------ |
ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
resisting... resisting debate... ------------------ |
HanClinto Administrator Posts: 1828 From: Indiana Registered: 10-11-2004 |
quote: I don't think "Bush sucks" -- I hear that when I listen to NPR on the radio on my way into work, but I think they're full of it. What are we gonna' do? Pray, and be the best Christians we can be. --clint ------------------ |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
quote: haha. there is a crack in the dam...... ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: The war on errorism... --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
same old, same old. not like it's original thinking. ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
If you could put a bullett in someones head and send them personally to hell then go for it. I wouldn't wanna live with that. I wish I had a schilling lalalalaa lala --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Come liberate Canada from the French please. The Brits made a mistake alright? Biculturalism DOES NOT WORK when you take it this far. Quebec even voted on whether or not to leave. But the rest of the country wasn't allowed to vote on it. They would've been OUTTA HERE. We also have lots of uranium if you need some, we are too scared to use it because our government is quite noobish and has a high French dose too. Then there'd be one fat country that took up like all of North America and there'd be a huge wall around it with anti-missile defence, oh yeah that's another thing the government is scared of, I don't even get that part. Then after we are done beefing up the defense we can just chill for like thirty years and then see what everybody else is doing, whoa North Korea nuked Japan, and China sells good cars for $25 a pop. Britan is cool and Germany makes good stuff too, Japan is cool but they still haven't apologized for all that **** they did, when they captured a hospital they just went bed to bed bayonetting everybody, and they never signed the Geneva(Jeneva?) convention did they? Anyways come assimilate our stuff we have beaver pelts and wheat and good fishing. [This message has been edited by CheeseStorm (edited August 26, 2005).] |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
wow CheeseStorm, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...but if not [lock and load!] here I come! ha ha ha! Just kiddin'.
quote: I agree with you HanClinto, NPR is extremely liberal in their thinking and shows, I don't want to censor them (I'm totally against censorship...to a moral extent) but I wish there was more of a balance. Do you have any AFR stations near you?? AFR is American Family Radio...it's Christian owned and operated. We just recently got an AFR station here in Houston, I love it! I still listen to NPR and the FM News Radio channels too though. MastaLlama ------------------ |
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ArchAngel Member Posts: 3450 From: SV, CA, USA Registered: 01-29-2002 |
death is a part of life. we don't send anybody to hell. it's their destination. if it wasn't, they'd change. nothing that will happen God has not forseen or set. we are set only to do what we must. if we must kill, then we must. everybody dies.
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
yup, and as my OLD quake 1 clan's motto went... The streets will flow with the blood of the nonbelievers! ha ha ha MastaLlama ------------------ |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
quote: The Romans occupied Jesus's home nation and did awful things but i didn't see Jesus raising an army to wipe them out. But then the Romans didn't have weapons of mass destruction. Oh wait neither did Iraq  --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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cwc Member Posts: 121 From: USA Registered: 07-30-2005 |
quote: HAHAHAHAHAHA.......HA!!! Good point. |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
i am no Bush hater. bush hating has become too trendy. there is one peeve of mine tho. I HATE HATE HATE the phrase "weapons of mass destruction".... I mean, who coined that phrase? It sounds like a movie title. I mean, anybody with a mind could have come up with something better than that. It should have been made more concise and to the point. and, though i dont hate Bush, i hate it when he says this phrase. He sounds....well......ignorant. couldnt it have been "highly destructive weapons" thats my rant on "WMD". ------------------ |
Realm Master Member Posts: 1971 From: USA Registered: 05-15-2005 |
WHAT? my government hates me?!??!?!?!?! just what christianity needs, ANOTHER christian-hating government... at least they don;t try and kill us for it... :'( sorry i've been gone so long: beach vacation. ...why did i mention that?
hmm... that may have been the wrong way to phrase that. oh well. ------------------ Blessed are those who show mercy. Blessed are those who suffer for doing what is right. |
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mastallama If someone does not act like a Christian then they are not a Christian. People that supported Clinton did not know, but people that do know what happened and still support him then that is not right. The people that will vote for Hilary for president and know the bad things she has her husband has done are not real Christians. Freedom of speech is not about letting people curse but to say undesirable information since the truth is undesirable and not pleasant sometimes. Let God judge people but if people persist to sin and do not care then they are not acting like Christians. Disagreeing with me is fine and normal, but to deny my opinion and replace it with your own and call it truth does not help your reasoning. Also Nixon was impeached and he got booted. As for Clinton it doesn’t matter if he got kicked out or not since his wife was running the show. The Clintons even invited Arafat and said that the Muslim religion is wonderful and were thinking of converting. Again I do not see any real Christians. As for Bush when he says the Muslim religion is great he is being evil as the bible states. The US forgot that the laws were made with the help of Christianity and they try to push it away from schools. But it is ok to bring in other forms of religion. The US better snap out of it and see that fixing what is not broking will make things worse. "The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery." "People that thinks dinner consists of eating a deli sandwich from Arby's while watching Friends [on TV] is neither Christian nor civilized." Dr. Thomas Fleming" |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Religion is so fussy. Ants are so much better than us at cooperating.  I guess there are still wars between ants though. Ants ants ants. |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
It was so off topic that I moved it here. [This message has been edited by brandon (edited August 29, 2005).] |
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MastaLlama Member Posts: 671 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: 08-10-2005 |
quote: can you define what acting like a Christian is? I've always believed it to mean acting Christ-like. Correct me if I'm wrong, but noone is perfect. Telling a lie, stealing, homosexuality, etc... are all sins. Christ did not and does not sin. Therefore "acting like a Christian" would mean you NEVER sin, and this is an absolute impossibility.
quote: I agree that it's not right for the people who claim to be Christians to support the Clintons, but again, are we not taught forgiveness? Personally, I am not a Clinton supporter (either Clinton), but I'm not going to bring it upon myself to judge their supports and say they are not Christians. I assume this... quote: ..was in reference to what i said here... quote: I didn't say anything about cursing or about telling the truth.
quote: ..wait...let me see if I read this correctly. Did you just say "let God judge them, but I'm still going to say 'You're not a Christian!'" ????
quote: I've never denied your opinion...that would be censorship, which I'm against, but I don't have to listen to your opinion. My reasoning is perfectly fine, thanks. You can have your opinion and I respect that, you should allow me to have mine and you should respect that as well.
quote: what??? Ok, Nixon wasn't even in this conversation. You said Clinton did not get impeached. The fact of the matter is, he was impeached but was never removed from office. It doesn't matter who was running the show or not, Clinton still committed crimes against the state. If he would have been removed from his presidency then Gore would have taken over...making it so Hilary would not be "running the show" as you so claim. So, yes, it DOES matter.
quote: Have you ever taken a Polical Science class? One of the first thing the campaign managers ask the candidate is "Do you have a religion?" if they answer "No." their manager says "You have 30 seconds to pick one." I'm not going to spend anymore time on this, it's taken up enough of my time and it's just my opinions, which I am entitled to. MastaLlama ------------------ |
Valkyri Member Posts: 205 From: Registered: 08-13-2005 |
Go this link: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_081805/content/whose_kids_are_in_iraq.guest.html You will find it an extremely enlightening article. Origionally HanClinto put this up in the Politics section. It's an awesome read by Rush Limbaugh. ------------------ |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
I hardly read any of this because its so long, but I have heard that the police LIKE Christians. I dont remember why though... they go farther or something... anyway, I also find it interesting that you can find a war to be... not that bad, but the current one is always realy bad, even if we are winning, and hardly anyone dies. Imagine if we didnt have this war. There would be alot more dead guys than... however many died fighting. I 100% guarentee it. ------------------ |
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Valkyri Member Posts: 205 From: Registered: 08-13-2005 |
Read it all, it's worth it. ------------------ |
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I agree that it was a volunteered army and people that go and die should not complain. But many are in need of money and education and the army helps them and many are gambling their lives. So we have 2 types of people that go to war the ones that do it for nationalism and the others that do it since they need to for the education and money. Here are some quotes of the people that persuade people to go to war but don’t go to war on what they think. Henry Kissinger said power is the ultimate aphrodisiac ****Ramsey Clark, former U S Attorney General said "We're NOT a democracy. It's a terrible misunderstanding and a slander to the idea of democracy to call us that. In reality, we're a plutocracy: A government by the wealthy." And the list goes on. Many in the government are not as Christian as many would think. ½ in power Jews, another fraction are atheists and other religions which do not have the majority of the Christians interests and they act accordingly. And the Christians that make up the government are not practicing Christians or try to act like it much. Even Kerry said he will not appoint a practicing Christian in the Supreme Court when elected and a majority of the Christians did not like that. Our choices are to pick is crap or more crap and people pick the lesser of 2 evils but the choice is still evil. "The enormous gap between what U.S. leaders do in the world and what Americans think their leaders are doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology." - Michael Parenti, political scientist/author ------------ - - I know politics better than most people, just because some don’t understand does not mean they know better. Trust me I know politics. Also if you respect others opinion then quit attacking it and let others listen to it, and don’t show off that you wont listen since people don’t need to know it. |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
Well, suggest a solution or something. |
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D-SIPL Moderator Posts: 1345 From: Maesteg, Wales Registered: 07-21-2001 |
Douse the world in gasoline, light it and start again... i feel like i've heard that from somewhere --D-SIPL ------------------ |
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Valkyri Member Posts: 205 From: Registered: 08-13-2005 |
The only problem is who will be left to start it over? Cockroaches? ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
I would be here of course! im invincible....thats what the 3 voices in my head say anyway....I wonder when I'll get this body cast off. Maybe when they take me off the respirator..... ------------------ |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
I love political debate, what was the current subject again? I lost the "thread" of eventes :P. ------------------ The old that is stong does not wither From the ashes a fire shall be woken Renewed shall be blade that was broken |
Klumsy Administrator Posts: 1061 From: Port Angeles, WA, USA Registered: 10-25-2001 |
uh, something about cockroaches lobbying congress for them to start a total nuclear war against christians, so that it may trigger their cockroach evolutionary process and they can take over the world..
join the resistance now, buy some roach killer, and do your part to defend our freedom. ! ! ! F E A R T H E R O A C H ! ! ! ------------------ [This message has been edited by klumsy (edited September 08, 2005).] |
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Ereon Member Posts: 1018 From: Ohio, United States Registered: 04-12-2005 |
.................................................................................................................................................................................... .................................................................................................................................................................................... Ok cool, long as you're happy ------------------ The old that is stong does not wither From the ashes a fire shall be woken Renewed shall be blade that was broken [This message has been edited by Ereon (edited September 08, 2005).] |
