The problem is freedom of speech since you are allowed to say insulting lies, but to say the truth which mostly is not good and insults some then it is bad. Some people in the news are slightly defending him but not as much since to attack a Christian leader is popular but to attack or state the truth about a non Christian then that is bad. There is a book called “the marketing of evil” how the liberals attack anyone who disagrees with them without having a dialogue and this tactic that they do to Pat Robertson is the same thing.

I disagree with what Pat said to do to the leader but he should have the right to say what he wants. Ann Coulter said the same things many times on TV to kill all Muslim leaders and convert their people to Christianity.

Well democracy and the Muslim religion do not mix and democracy is best for Christian nations since Christianity help make it.

Found it. Too tired to comment at length.

I think Pat Robertson is off course. I haven't seen his talkshow lately, but I remember he used to pray alot on his show for people and world political situations. Maybe this is a time he should of just said lets pray for this leader and the people of Venezuala that God will work in this country in a powerful way. And leave the 'military' decisions to those we have put in charge.

I wonder how shocked Pat would be if Chavez's reprisal statement was 'Pat, I will be praying for you'(this is hypothetical, of course )

btw- freedom of speech is good, but not everything the comes to our mind is

Pat ran against Bush sr. for president and he came in second. Pat knows about politics and knows that we have to do things ourselves and not rely on God only since God gave us the ability to act.

I agree with his view and he told people to watch out for Muslims and it seems he has to say something extreme for people to hear what he says.

The point of freedom of speech is to protect unpopular speech. Even the founding fathers said things which some might think they are terrorists as well but they understand the laws better than most now do since many are kind of manipulated and have their views distorted. The founding fathers thought that there should be a revolution against the government every so often to keep it in check and to not get too much power, but to what they say is not allowed since we have a government in which the founding fathers were afraid of for the liberty, freedom, and justice we should have. The founding fathers would have been attacked more severe than Pat Robertson.

Many might disagree with Pat because he is religion, but he is also a person. Let’s not have double standards top say that only an atheist can talk freely and a Christian can not. He is stating his opinion and he should not be in government office to do so which he almost was. He deals with Government officials many times, and he was friends with Regan, and talks to the Bushes.

Thanks for the link GUMP
A quote form the link
"If he thinks we're (USA) trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war."
-- On Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, August 2005

In other words it is better to do one back thing to prevent 1000000 bad things form happening. People that hate his view should hate themselves for being hypocrites since many Americans wanted the assassination of Christian Serbian president Milosevic which the entire Serbian war was a joke and the court can not find solid evidence again the Serbian president which I would think Pat Robertson agrees with. I disagree with his method but I respect his view and I encourage others to be as open to use their "freedom of speech"

I will post about it how the Serbs were set up.

"When he said Muslim religion is bad he is right since he knows it better than most people." dun dun dunnnnnnnnn

There is a difference between killing in war and murder... I don't think assassinating a terrorist leader is murder.

Cheese, from what I've seen, I don't think that Pat Robinson said he wanted him assassinated, but he said; it would be better to assassinate him than it would be to start a war.

If they were going to do one of the two,.. if they were going to make such a decision. I think the assassination would be better as well. More lives would be spared. I'm not saying I want this guy assassinated. I'd like for him to be saved actually. And I don't believe that should be done with soldiers and guns, but instead with the love of Christ. This should be done through prayer, missions, media, and other methods of reaching out to these lost souls. Remember it's not flesh and blood that we are in war with. The terrorists are not our real enemy...

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The love of Christ can pierce through the darkness of anyone's heart. It shows more power to rule in the hearts of mankind with love than it does to rule them with an iron fist or with Laws and punishments... because when hearts aren't changed, selfishness, hate, jealousy, immorality, etc... will continue on... and so will wars. But Christ conquers the very essence of a person... his heart.

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Originally posted by brandon:

If they were going to do one of the two,.. if they were going to make such a decision. I think the assassination would be better as well. More lives would be spared. I'm not saying I want this guy assassinated. I'd like for him to be saved actually. And I don't believe that should be done with soldiers and guns, but instead with the love of Christ. This should be done through prayer, missions, media, and other methods of reaching out to these lost souls. Remember it's not flesh and blood that we are in war with. The terrorists are not our real enemy...

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The love of Christ can pierce through the darkness of anyone's heart. It shows more power to rule in the hearts of mankind with love than it does to rule them with an iron fist or with Laws and punishments... because when hearts aren't changed, selfishness, hate, jealousy, immorality, etc... will continue on... and so will wars. But Christ conquers the very essence of a person... his heart.

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Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

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How big is that rock that they all worship? We should drop that p.o.s. in the Pacific somewhere just to see how they'd react. Sure most of them are good people, but they can live without a rock, and it'd be good fun anyway. Once we ditch oil they won't even be able to buy knives to butcher foreign journalists with. I guess that won't happen for a while.

Well that's my rant for now, I don't like Pat but he's probably on the right track. It just seems like the only way to get rid of the problem is to really get rid of them...

And we have enough oil to hold us over until then. AKA, Alaska. And if thats not enoough (or it doesnt work for the environmentalists), then we can step in when any Middle Eastern conflicts threaten our oil supply. IE the Gulf War. Other than that, leave the squabling alone.

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proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

proverbs 25:7
open rebuke is better than secret love.

www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia

www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs

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Originally posted by crazyishone:
frankly cheesestorm, i agree with you.
except about steeling their shrine. I say , leave them to themsleves. The Middle East is a lose-lose that we need no part in. I say, save the money we spend on military for over there, save the money spent on supplies for over there, and put alll of that money into research. Research on how to get rid of the need for fossil fuel.

And we have enough oil to hold us over until then. AKA, Alaska. And if thats not enoough (or it doesnt work for the environmentalists), then we can step in when any Middle Eastern conflicts threaten our oil supply. IE the Gulf War. Other than that, leave the squabling alone.

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Well said, I agree with you.