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I think it is a waste of time scavanger hunt game for twisted people. But thats just my opinion. Stats and info about violent games "Confirmed: Sex minigame in PS2 San Andreas To decrease violence in people society needs more security. To increase security in the society your freedom decreases! To make people more nuts would require more safety measures which now we have now. |
goop2 Member Posts: 1059 From: Registered: 06-30-2004 |
a sex minigame?!?! GEEZUMZ What the heck is it? Or do I want to know? ------------------ |
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d000hg Member Posts: 144 From: Durham, UK Registered: 07-27-2004 |
So basically Rockstar left in the game a bit which is quite sexual (I don't know details), but which could only be unlocked by downloading a patch or hack from someplace. The game was subsequently re-rated from Mature to AO in the US ratings. In the secular world, people seem to think this a bit pointless, because: 1)"The game already has violence, drugs etc so why should sex make it worse?" 2)"14-year-olds are buying in anyway so what difference will it make?" Thesse are not my opinions by the way, just filling people in. Apparently though the new rating means many stores won't stock it, so it could hit the sales. Although the extra publicity could do more good/bad - people thinking "that's cool" Vs parents deciding not to buy it for their kids after all. |
Gamer4Christ Member Posts: 551 From: Kokomo, Indiana, USA Registered: 07-19-2005 |
I think GTA is a complete waste of publisher's money. I mean there is enough of that junk in the world as it is, there is no reason why that should be added to the fantasy world too. I think the ESRB should crack down on games, and prevent these kinds of games to even exist. I mean if you want a free-roaming game get DRIV3R, it is the same game but with a more moral plot, and gameplay. I am sick of hearing games compared to GTA because there really is no comparison, GTA is a horrible game. |
Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
I agree with you gamer4christ, GTA is a sick game. Some people play games like GTA because they feel evil and they like it. I have too felt like that before I quitted playing such games. ------------------ And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. - Isa 32:17 |
crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
there is an evil human nature that we are all born with. even those of us who try to rise above it (as Christians should). We cant deny that we are born with a subconscious apetite for sinful things. It is still there even after we are saved, only now we have the knowledge that it is there, and the help of God to overcome it. Gamer4christ, i only disagree on one point. Publishers are not wasting their time on games like GTA. The games like GTA are best-sellers, raking in the cash for the company. They are capitalizing one this in-born sinful nature, and reeping the monetary benefits. I wish they would realize that they dont need games like GTA in order to have success. Look at the really inovative games like Katamari Damacy. That game created a big stir in the industry...and yes, there were some really weird things in that game, but on a basic level, that game is family-friendly. ------------------ |
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CheeseStorm Member Posts: 521 From: Registered: 11-28-2004 |
I played it, it's fun, and I've never killed anyone or done drugs, bla bla, if pixels own kids, those kids are stupid, and their parents are negligent and probably stupid too. I have no moral problem with mowing down PIXELS. |
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Curry Member Posts: 134 From: USA Registered: 11-21-2002 |
I'm very anti-GTA. The people that make it are scumbags; imagine from their viewpoint as they intentionally make a game with all that violence and bad content and bad attitude, for greed without caring about anyone. You have to not care about anyone to make a game like that. Curry |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: Don't you care for the stupid? ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
Klown Member Posts: 78 From: baraga, mi , united states of america Registered: 11-10-2004 |
Big Question ... Why is GTA so hatted when games like Medal of Honor or Socom Navy Seals or any war or even Mortal Kombat games isnt hated? Why is everyone sooo upset over this lil sex minigame? There is already sex in the game. Is it because you can now see the sex happen instead of only seeing your car start rocking and letting your imagination take it farther? The big spiff for GTA is because you can kill cops. Killing cops was the straw that broke the camels back. Yet in any type of war game you kill people that are seen as hated beings on this planet. In a game called Socom for PS2, you kill terrorist's, yet when you play it online, You can either be a Terrorist or Navy Seal. Where's all the uproar over games and content like that? Earlier in this thread some one said why dont you just play Driver, it's basicaly the same game yet with better morals. Stuff like this really makes one wonder on why one game is bad compaired to a dif game. All these are just video games. NOT reality. Anyone that takes any game seriously , needs to be put in a padded room. ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: I think it's because games like medal of honor are about war and we all know war is cruel and in mortal kombat every one is a fighter which competite against each other. While in GTA we have environment that repsents real life and the violence that player can do in GTA doesn't always have meaning like in those other two games. ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
well, i dont think its a game we should be handing out to kiddies on their 11th birhtday, but it is just as much a game as some of the other twisted ones out there. In God of War there is alot of sexual content, but nobody cared about it. I think it is the Interactivity that pushed GTA over the edge. It is still only a game. On one hand, y give the game an AO rating when you could aleady deal drugs, kill cops, stomp down grannies, rob stores, etc.... There WAS already sex in the game, they just added the ability to control/see it. WRONG: Yes. Still only a video gmae: Yes. It shouldnt have landed an AO, but I still dont think a Christian shoudl play it in good conscience (that doesnt mean I didnt.), and i think it has always been up to the parents. If they want to let their kid play the game, that is their right. I believe that is the stand many conservatives took on the whole "spanking you children issue." It is up to the parents to make sure their child knows right from wrong, not ESRB, and certainly not Rockstar and other developers and publishers. ------------------ |
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Klown Member Posts: 78 From: baraga, mi , united states of america Registered: 11-10-2004 |
I do believe GTA should have an AO rating. And minors and children should not be playing them. Parents need to step up and actually become a Parent and watch what their kids are playing and not just letting the video game system, tv, or computer be their only babysitter. It's still a bad arguement. Jari, no offense. We see more violence on tv and local news then one will ever see in a video game. Just because one can see it on tv or play it in a video game dont honor it to be the most evil game out there like it's doomed to be. ------------------ |
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Klown Member Posts: 78 From: baraga, mi , united states of america Registered: 11-10-2004 |
double post ... sorry ------------------ [This message has been edited by klown (edited August 14, 2005).] |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
quote: In my opinion and what comes to my experience games are worse than TV because in games you pull the trigger. Anyhow, no violent game nor movie is good entertainment for any one and I begun to realize this after many years of hardcore gaming after I found Christ, and started to understand He's will. It really is bad stuff and I was blind for not seeing this before but thank God that He opened my eyes and I have now left all that filt that is in movies and in games behind. And I feel great! Because I know it's the right thing to do. But don't get me wrong, I don't judge any one. I just thought that it's worth to tell this even it 's bit off topic but the way of Christ is much more than games with their fantasy worlds. God bless you all.
Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 [This message has been edited by Jari (edited August 14, 2005).] |
CapnStank Member Posts: 214 From: Sask, Canada Registered: 12-16-2004 |
I personally have no problem with the game myself, but I don't own it either. If you desire to trash stuff all the more power to you. People that can't seperate their lives from those games are the stupid ones. No I don't care for the stupid ones. The sex minigame (like mentioned before) is only accessable if you modify your game content, which usually (not sure if it applies here) is breaking a End Game User Licence agreement which, in turn is therefore YOUR fault, not the companies. Some people that are against games in general, GTA just gave them an excuse the thrust their beliefs. Now on a lighter note: ------------------ |
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crazyishone Member Posts: 1685 From: Registered: 08-25-2004 |
much trueness capnstank... ------------------ |
bennythebear Member Posts: 1225 From: kentucky,usa Registered: 12-13-2003 |
this is just a thought. but you see so many "Christan" activists, going to war with anyone or anything that they take a notion to. yes, we should stand against wickedness. but why aren't there more people worried about people who are lost and undone? i fail no this to, by no means am i perfect. sin will always be here, and it will not get any better. instead of trying to clean up the world, we should try to get the people saved. look at it this way, if the top game makers all got saved, don't you think their games would change also? take snoop dogg for instance, if he were to get saved, do you know how great of a witness that would be? even if it wasn't a great witness getting a highly influental person(game makers, muscicians, actors, etc.) saved, wouldn't it be worth it to see them saved? one less person going to the eternal lake of fire. hope this post makes some kind of sense. ------------------ proverbs 25:7 www.gfa.org - Gospel for Asia www.persecution.com - Voice of the Martyrs |
Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
Yeah that totally makes sense benny, and I agree with you 100 percent. As for what I think about GTA and games like it. I haven't played "GTA: San Andreas", but I have played the first one. I don't see how someone can justify it because, "it's ONLY a game." That statement is to me, ridiculous. It's true that it's just a game, and that people who play it probably won't go out and do what's in it. But the thoughts involved are real, and the gamer enjoys doing the unlawful acts in the game... It's not that people that don't like gruesome games can't separate reality from a game, or people that don't like it can't separate reality from imagination. But that doesn't mean that the imagination can't be evil. These things lie in the hearts of man and only the light of Christ can shine through and fix them. I don't have much of a problem with violence in games, movies, etc... as long as it is justified, and isn't really gruesome. But the violence and the other crude acts portrayed in GTA are extreme examples of lawlessness.
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Klown Member Posts: 78 From: baraga, mi , united states of america Registered: 11-10-2004 |
And the acts of violence in military games or combat games are extreme acts and examples of lawlessness? So your saying games like Socom is alright because I'm killing bad guys as in Terrorist's and Drug Dealers? Or by playing out a battle scene in Medal of Honor and killing Nazis. Yes GTA isnt for everyone. As already stated. It should be for adults 18+ not minors and that's where all the crying foul is coming from. It's not the parents fault , NOOO never the parents fault. It's the gaming company's and designers faults for making games like these. Pretty much what it all boils down too. Tv is more violent then GTA. Same with movies and yes even books. I can go out and read a book, more violent then GTA and can learn more about killing some one or car jacking or stealing cars then that game. You can watch on tv any time the news come on and watch video feeds that are more violent any thing you come across in GTA. So why isnt everyone all up in arms over that stuff? ------------------ |
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Jari Member Posts: 1471 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: 03-11-2005 |
Remember what Jesus said: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! The offender is responsible. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. So what comes to parents, sure they are responsible but so are the offenders. ------------------ Unless the LORD builds the house, they labor in vain who build it; unless the LORD keeps the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. - Psalms 127:1 |
GUMP Member Posts: 1335 From: Melbourne, FL USA Registered: 11-09-2002 |
The AO rating is usually reserved for games including pornographic material, but it also includes instances of extreme graphic violence. Due to this I also think GTA should have been rated AO from the start. Now if the included sexual material had only been a mod (as in, fully user created and not a simple patch that modified some variables) there still would have been an outcry but no major action would have been taken by the ESRB. Now, since this material is also present in the console versions, we KNOW that Rockstar themselves created the sexual material. If they had admitted such immediately again I think the ESRB wouldn't have taken any actions, though Rockstar still would have put out a patch to block this material and deal with the negative PR. The real problem is that Rockstar LIED about the sexual material, claiming that the mod creator inserted the material. Rockstar even claimed they were "investigating" the "illegal" acts of the modder who supposedly reversed-engineered their source code and map format. When I first heard about this I immediately suspected they were lying since as a software engineer I knew this to be almost impossible, especially considering the mod/patch was created in under 2 days. Even after it was discovered the sexual material was present in the console versions they still continued to officialy lie...and they were backed up by their publisher Take Two. |
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Brandon Member Posts: 594 From: Kansas City, Mo, USA Registered: 02-02-2004 |
quote: Well it depends on what type of military you are fighting for, the purpose of the war, how gruesome the violence is, etc... But I for one don't like realistic games where you kill people.
quote: Actually I haven't played Socom, and I played Medal of Honor so long ago that I can't remember what it was like. So I can't speak much on those. From what I've seen though, I do think that those two would not be a case for lawlessness. I don't know about you but I'm glad that Terrorist, Drug Dealers, and Nazis are brought to justice. That is good. But dealing with prostitutes, killing old ladies, robbing stores, hijacking fire trucks, and nonsense total destruction, etc.. is not good, whether real or imagined. I think everyone knows that, even if they are willfully ignorant in pretending not to.
quote: I'm not saying anything about who's fault it is when minors get hold to games like this. I think it kinda depends on the situation. I just think it's pretty sad that man is sinking further and further into his pit of lawlessness and his hate for truth and light.
quote: I think all of that is junk actually, and I'm sickened by that as well. Of course even more so when I see something on the news that is real. I don't like the senseless violence, filthy language, and sex filled movies either. But with GTA, it's you who actually MAKE THE DECISION to do the lawless acts in the game. With movies and books you are WATCHING a plot devised by someone else. ------------------ |
