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D&D Diablo question – woody

WOODY

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From: Mt. Pleasant, michigan, USA
Registered: 10-22-2002
I'm 18 now and out on my own but my dad would always get mad at me for playing diablo or D&D. All he would say is its got magic, you kill people, violence ect. and is of the Devil. I totaly do not agree with him. Yes it has those things but based on how you play you can play as a good person, do things to aid the "higher ups" in the game ect. What do all you think?
Jari

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I agree with your dad. I used to play diablo too but at the time I was blind and didn't see how sinful it was.
Now I see and I'm praying for you to see this too.

God bless you woody.

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Imsold4christ

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Given the freedom and flexibility of D&D, I say the game is exactly as evil or righteous as you make it. A lot of it depends on the righteousness of the people you are playing the game with.

Diablo though, that's a bit more well-defined. Mostly involves running around killing things, and there's not much of a storyline. Not a game I'd be a fan of, but that's just personal preference. In and of itself, I suppose it would be okay to play the game once in a while. However, everyone I've met who's played the game does not just play it once in a while; they play it constantly. When that happens, it's a bad thing. When something that meaningless consumes that much time... it's wrong.

-Caleb

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Goldrush13

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I find that quite shocking, Diablo 2 was and always will be the greatest game I ever played.
CobraA1

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Word of advice: Be careful.

None of these games truly reflects reality.

Also, there is so much potential for abuse with D&D, I would never play with anybody but a Christian as a DM. And I recommend playing without the "gods" in the game. They really don't add much, and playing a diety is IMHO just plain wrong. Also, only play with friends, not strangers.

That is, if you play at all. Personally, I'd just avoid it. There's better ways to waste your time .

I did play a couple of rounds, but I eventually moved out of the college, and I never really cared to get back into again.

Diablo, I've never played, and being hack & slash, it's not really my type of game anyways.

One game you should never play is Doom 3. I watched a friend play it for a few hours, and it's so horribly demonic it'll literally eat your soul . . .

I'm not joking - I only watched it get played, and I must say it's very horrible spiritually. I would be lying if I were to say it didn't affect me.

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When something that meaningless consumes that much time... it's wrong.

I agree.

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Rhyolite

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This is a difficult topic and I think you will get answers both ways! I am sure the best answer is not to play, both because of content and also the time 'probably' wasted.

I say 'probably' wasted, because unlike some people I do believe its possible to be a witness in these areas. I speak about my faith online with other games players and have run a number of RPG campaigns in which I tried to incoporate some Christian message.

However, none of those games lasted very long for various reasons (a few months each), and accept this may be Gods way of saying it was not good for me (or the others). I believe you can not steer a stationary car and sometimes the only way to know if something is right or wrong is to try it! But please, I am NOT suggesting we should all try every possible sin - I just refer to what some people would consider 'grey' areas. I always try to include God in everything I do, and this includes the 'grey' areas.

I have also played both the Diablo games and I can not honestly say if it is right or not. It is probably not beneficial, so you would be better spending your time in some other way. However, I do believe 'for most people' their are probably areas in your life which God is more concerned about. I also think we can put ourselves under too much pressure in these areas (perhaps we should let God deal with them when He is ready?).

For example, I spent the first five years of my chrisitian life trying to be a 'super christian'. To some extent I succeeded, I sold all my computers, hi-fi and video stuff and used the money to pay for bible college. I worked full time unpaid for a Christian charity for several years. I lived a 'clean' life and became a church elder! However, I did all these in my own strength and it has taken many hard and painful knocks to show me this. I am now far more aware of my sinful and fallen nature and realise I am powerless to do anything about it myself. It is only through Gods power that I can be TRULY saved and set free (work in progress!).

Regarding the comments about Doom3, I would rather play this than many 'realistic' games which involve excessive violence and blood of 'real' people! The whole 'demon' thing is a complete joke anyway, I am convinced the 'real' spiritual realms (and demons) are nothing like this anyway. I do accept it is VERY scary though, and for this reason would accept some would not want to play it. Oh, and their were a few places I really did not like and immediatly started praying! Hmmm? I guess I am just too big a fan of the original Doom!

Be 'real' and 'honest' about everything, both to yourself and before God. Is 'secretly' desiring to play these games just as bad as actualy playing them??? And if you hold this secret in deep dark places of your heart, then it can not be exposed to the light! Perhaps it is better to bring them out into the light where God can deal with them??? I dunno, but I think it better to be 'yourself' BUT allow God to change you, rather than trying to be holy (which is impossibe)?

Hmmmm, sorry - I have probably raised more questions than I have answered!

In finishing, I would refer you back to my two opening sentences and accept I may be completly wrong!!

God Bless,
Rhy

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Max

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Hmmm, I agree to be careful with the D&D game. The issue against Diablo seems to be the time wasted, other than that it seems ok to me. Especially since what you are fighting against is basically the Devil, true? I mean, is it so bad that you are a good guy battleing it out physically with the denizens of Hell? Ha ha, it is a little gory, but only mildly so. Diablo 2 though does have you killing humans, which may or may not be wrong, since they are evil people. I guess there is no clear cut answer at all.

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HeardTheWord

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What gets me is the people that say video games are evil and then go and watch something on tv that is just as bad. I know as humans we will never be perfect and I agree we should be careful what we put our time into.

I also think it is the way you play the game. If you play it and get enjoyment out of killing living things then I think you may need to turn off the game.

Max

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I agree, you can't just label all of it the same, it is based on each individual person.

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Jari

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quote:
Originally posted by max:
I agree, you can't just label all of it the same, it is based on each individual person.


I don't think so because Jesus gave us all the same rules and commands. And I believe what child can't take no one should. Taking something as neutral thing that you know is wrong is just lying to your self and it makes you blind. I know what I'm talking about because God has made me see this.

Thank Jesus for that!

God bless you all, I pray that you see this!


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WOODY

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From: Mt. Pleasant, michigan, USA
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I only play D&D with my buddies and its not very often at all. We never have gods in the game, and I play my person alot like I am, aka no stealing, not really ever drinking ect. I don't drink though
Matthias

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I had played DnD before but more or less gave it up. I spent several hundred dollars on the books but no longer had them because my parents didn't like it and I hated keeping secrets, so that is finally over. And I'm glad for that.
However I still enjoy roleplaying. I don't like magic still just because the Bible explicitly states that God hates it, so I'm going to stay away from that in my campaigns. Instead I'm thinking of going mutants (like in X-Men and all that) and to focus on puzzles and things (like in Zelda).
That way I get rid of both questionable materials all together. No real magic, and no focus made on violence against humans.
So that is my position and my solution to the whole of the question.

Matthias

Max

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My friends and I play a Star Wars version of DnD, with the "force" which is like magic. We don't do satanic missions, and we only fight evil people. We are all responsible and can distinguish between reality and fantasy. I don't see why it is wrong, really. It's just like any other game. As soon as boundaries are set for me, I will probly break them, because as long as I trust myself I feel I can handle the games without being satanic.

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Rhyolite

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I had some more thoughts on this! When I became a chrisitian I immediatly gave up playing DnD because that was the 'done thing'. However, this resulted in me losing contact with a lot of friends I had at that time. I later made some new freinds playing other RPG games (I must admit DnD is perhaps the worst RPG game to play).

Now that I am a 'bit' older (37), I regret losing those early friends. Christianity is all about relationship, both with God and with our fellow man. I think 'perhaps' it would have been better to continue 'trying' to play with my friends, but have voiced my objection to certain areas of the game. I am pretty sure my freinds would have listened and changed things accordingly (such as no Gods etc). And I guess I would have to have shelved my meglomaniac Wizard and started a new Paladin character Hmmm, or does that involve Gods. I know, my Paladin worships the One and Only True God - anway, I digress!

So, don't forget the relationship aspect in all this. Freinds are so important and often undervalued when we are young. As you get older it seems to get harder to develop those same kind of freindships in todays busy world of career and family (and even church!).

So, maybe consider continuing to play and perhaps look at some other more suitable RPG games or a different DnD campaign setting. But if you feel uneasy about something then discuss it with your friends and ultimatly be willing to stop playing if need be. Also consider your friends, if you see one of them being 'harmed' by the game (becoming obsesive, looking into satanism etc), then again you can try and get involved in that situation and help the guy out. Although being there to help your friends is a good point, dont carry on playing for this reason if you begin to feel uneasy about it yourself. Their are a lot of REAL pits and traps in playing RPG games (just as their are in life), so be careful.

God Bless,
Rhy

Klown

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Me personally. I dont see any reason why you shouldnt play either. Even tho I dont like Doom, it is a well crafted and beautiful game. (graphics wise) Yet personaly, I think the game play blows. There are many other great games out there that are fun. Like Fable for instance if you play the XBox or Knights of the Old Republic 1 or 2.

I honestly dont care for D&D. Yet I have played a few other Role Playing games. I enjoy them, magics and all. Do I take any thing away from the games. Yes, I love the friends and personal bonds I have made playing them. Great way to meet new people and open yourself up too new experiences.

Yet no matter what any one says here. It all boils down too is, How do you feel playing them? Do you feel like you're doing some thing wrong or sinful or hurtful playing them? If you dont feel good playing , reading, or listening to anything. Then dont do it, no mater what anyone says.

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