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You pet can not have the same name as a saint. For instance you can not call your dog Peter, you can not call your cat Paul, you can not name your fish John, etc.
Why? Well it is not allowed, I would guess becasue it is an insult.
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Yet another "warsong commandment"...

I wouldn't say that you absolutly can't but I don't see why someone would do it... I have heard of many dogs named Judas tho'...

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Also, just thought I'd mention that if you're a Christian, then you are a saint. Hageos is the greek word used. It can mean Holy Ones, Set Apart Ones, and Annointed Ones. If you are a saint then you are set apart from sin for God's holy purposes. Once you are saved then you are just as righteous in God's eyes as the Apostle Paul. It isn't by our works that we are saved, but all who are saved are saved by the work that Jesus did on the cross, in which no one can add to, so that no one can boast.

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what?

wait...
where did this come from?


and why should I listen to you?lol

I'll call my pet anything I please.

that is.. if I get a pet... and yes, I'd probably name it after a food.

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A friend of mine just said that a friend of hers has a dog called "Satan", is there anything wrong with that?



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"In closing we leave with a few miscellaneous remarks on the practice of using Christian names. Orthodox don't name animals with Christian names. To do so is disrespectful to the saints. Did you know that at the time of his tonsure a monastic takes a new Christian name, and gives up using his previous Christian name since monastic tonsuring is viewed as a second baptism and the beginning of a new kind of angelic life?"

Read the link it says some interesting things
"By naming the animals Adam's authority over them was expressed, and Adam imaged God who had first named him. Man was to lead the physical creation in the worship and service of the Holy Trinity. He was to subdue and rule over the world, and the first act of this regal life was the process of naming the animals."
http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:zh-uX8kAkTkJ:www.saintandrew.net/fr_josiah/homilies/ChristianNamesandPatronSaints.htm+naming+animals+after+saints&hl=en

"As an interesting sidenote, one of the marks of the inroads of unhealthy feminism in our culture is the wife's rejection of the husband's name. Many women today refuse to take their new husbands' last names at marriage, and it is vogue also for women to hyphenate their maiden names with their husbands' names. Also popular today is the combining of the husband's and wife's surnames into a new surname all together. This is a reflection of non-Christian family norms, and is not an Orthodox practice."

It seems that society is becoming more secular in its actions.

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Originally posted by warsong:

It seems that society is becoming more secular in its actions.

As always... In my opinion animals shouldn't have human names at all. But some people treat their pets as equal to humans.

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A friend of mine just said that a friend of hers has a dog called "Satan", is there anything wrong with that?


Some people name their pets after their characters. If the dog is firey and naughty there could be some "relation" if I may. Other's call their "bad" pets "demon" and such. I personally don't think it's wrong to call a wolverine "satan", but to call a mouse "Jesus" is going a bit too far.

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what about if you name a mouse Jesus (pronoucned Hey-Zeus)------Jesus either way is just a name if you name a pet that you aren't insulting or negating what the Son of God did-------no where in the Bible does it say you cannot name your pet after someone in the Bible and thus this is a man-made rule-----lol when I saw the headline I seriously thought someone brought it up as a joke but honestly I think people focus on these rules too much and then lose sight of what is really important in life and what is important in a relationship with God and Jesus.

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"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

Does anyone actually believe that God would give a crap about a dog's name? Same goes for marriage... change your name or don't change it, you're still the same person!

I had no idea that there would be people who could be offended by a dog named Peter. And I'd probably trust that dog more than anyone unstable enough to be upset by its title. Change the dog's name to Fido and suddenly God flashes the thumbs up?

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A friend of mine just said that a friend of hers has a dog called "Satan", is there anything wrong with that?

Yes. It's like naming something in honor of the devil.

Hosea 2:
17 For I will take away the names of the Baals out of her mouth, and they will no more be remembered by their name.

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"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

Does anyone actually believe that God would give a crap about a dog's name? Same goes for marriage... change your name or don't change it, you're still the same person!

I had no idea that there would be people who could be offended by a dog named Peter. And I'd probably trust that dog more than anyone unstable enough to be upset by its title. Change the dog's name to Fido and suddenly God flashes the thumbs up?



YOU HAVE 110% AGREEMENT ON MY SIDE DUDE WELL PUT!!!!!

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LOL! Thats great..fido...dog...HAHAHAHA! k

Just out of spite I'll name my dog Paul

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DUUDE I **LOVE** your sig---Keep the Holy Day Sacred HALLLUUUUKEN!!!
lol---side story-----I have a friend whom I hang with once a month or so-----and my bro and I each just shelled out 250 bucks for our PSPs---he picked me up one day and was already mad cause he didn't have one-----I was like 'Meet my friend..his name is Jesus...' and then pretended my PSP was a person-----man he wanted to hurt me lol----but that is what I was talking about with the pets---I didn't insult the Son of God by doing that all I did was make my psycho friend jealous and then suck up to him so we could use his Dominos Pizza discount to get 5 dollar pizzas---yep I know what friendship is all about *stares lovingly at my psp* lol jk

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You should like my sig, you made it up

Ha nice story. is the PSP really that good? AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FINISH EW NIGHTMARES!

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You should like my sig, you made it up

Ha nice story. is the PSP really that good? AND WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FINISH EW NIGHTMARES!


LOL that is WHY I love you sig!!! PSP is awesome----really really good and very versatile (my bro and I just started a tshirt company and we use our psp's to show off designs to ppl when we are on the go)---Nightmares....well lets just say by the end of the year more info will be declassified dunn dunn duuuuuuun *evil laugh*

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Whoa, dude! You can view images on those things? What else do they do? Do they got like, Palm OS or something?
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We really need to do a christian fighting game...

Zookey...exactly what do you do in the team? Programmer? Modeler?

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Marketing. He wears pink clothing and... never mind.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! wow...that was funny...

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LOL Yeah I am Script/Design/and somewhat marketing I guess at TGS----yeah man we definately need to do a christian fighting game someday!! PSPs are pretty rad----they have their own menu system but can access internet multiplayer (in game only no browser), view jpegs and mpeg4 movies and play mp3s----really cool!

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WOW!!!!!!!! TOTALLY RAD! NEED TO BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats cool..I cant wait till my team goes big

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If you call your pet rat God or be creative and say Iamgod then that is your problem.

And then you have people thinking they know better than the priest that know the bible inside out. Well this is what happens when people want to decide what everything is. People are not being humble and naming animals christen names is silly. What next baptizing them and having name days to celebrat it. If you don’t respect if then why not respect others and not naming it. Or should I name the pet after someone here and say youarestupid (youname)(insult)

If an animal can not understand their name then they have no point of having it and the same goes for the human animal. People lost the point to pets and so they lost the point to names.

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if you go by that, then you probably shouldn't call animals anything, as there is probably a christian saint of almost every name in almost every language in the world..

sorry you can't call your cat "XIAOFEI"

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warsong---honestly dude....if that is how you want to name your pet (something like zookeyisstupid) go right ahead dude because that is what we are stressing with this---IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO----if you don't want to name your pet anything that is cool to however, becuase it is your choice not to use a saint name or no name at all please don't force that choice on other people. Also---don't assume because someone is an Ordained priest or anything that they know the truth and the Bible inside and out----I have had ordained pastors flat out tell me that we should all beware of the holy spirit because, if you get filled with the holy spirit, you may have pre-maritial sex. Also, if you look through the gospels, the ordained priests of the day (whom were renouned experts in the scriptures) were the ones Jesus constantly went out of his way just to tick off-----actually kinda funny because a lot of people paint Jesus today with almost a candy-coated image but he was one of history's most prominent shock rockers---albeit a shock rocker with a cause

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so many people make up names for their kids that are not Christian names like shanikua, rex, butch, etc. but you would think they would use that creativity on dogs. If you want to name your pig God and then one day you kill your pig and eat it you can then say that you eat god for breakfast. Gambling is also a sin so if you want to take your chances then that is up to you to see how you want to see things.

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LOL that is funny which is why so many churches are wrong and give the wrong impression. I met people that said they read the bible every day and never go to church and do plenty of sins like premarital sex. Just because one renegade priest says some silly thing doesn’t mean the entire church supports it, but if the entire church supports it then watch out for that church and find another.
That was the Jewish priests he attacked. If you read what the Jewish torah says some bad things. Like the Talmud which is the antithesis of Christianity that says things like “BABHA KAMA (1 13b) - States that the name of God is not profaned, if a Jew lies to a Christian.”

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"Klumsy
so many people make up names for their kids that are not Christian names like shanikua, rex, butch, etc. but you would think they would use that creativity on dogs. If you want to name your pig God and then one day you kill your pig and eat it you can then say that you eat god for breakfast. Gambling is also a sin so if you want to take your chances then that is up to you to see how you want to see things."

May I ask where you can find the official book of christian names at? Whose to tell me that naming a child Alexzander or Alexis or Shawntell not christian?

Is it the same group of people that nominate new "Saints" and take away the "Sainthood" from old saints?

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I'm ganna name my dog Warsong

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I like this creativity idea, I'm going to call my kid "Smashatron the relentless".

Now I know there is definately no such saint.

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goldrush... you haven't heard of Smashatron the relentless, patron saint of endurance?

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I can't believe I actually researched that on Google.......

But you're wrong Archangel!

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, cant name you dog Jimmy...what? You've never heard of..."St Jimmy, patron saint of a denial.."

I'm the patron saint of a denial, with an angel face and a taste for suicidal!

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goldrush... you haven't heard of Smashatron the relentless, patron saint of endurance?


funny...I thought he was the patron saint of cyber ninjas---speaking of Japanese stuff just finished watching AppelSeed---GOOD MOVIE

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yeah? cool. still trying to get a friend to get me GunGrave...
..and all those rides I gave her...

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but who is the patron saint of coders?

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um..me...duh....

Ha...John kerry is walking down the boulavard of broken dreams...

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yeah? cool. still trying to get a friend to get me GunGrave...
..and all those rides I gave her...



LoL my bro has a few episodes on DVD and the game---show not bad but game sucky sucky big time.........still like Trigun and AppleSeed better

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Trigun's my fav anime.

you just can't top Wolfwood.. too cool.

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Trigun's my fav anime.

you just can't top Wolfwood.. too cool.


NO LIE!!! I think they should make a live-action Trigun movie someday.......maybe with Matthew Lillard as vash HAHAHAHAHA

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haha, I'd watch it.

duh.

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How about Matthew Hammit?

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Whoa, dude! You can view images on those things? What else do they do? Do they got like, Palm OS or something?


yeah, I wanna know more about it. I would be cheeper to shell out $400 for a PSP, a Game, and a GIG memory stick, than to buy a 20-30 gig Multi-media center thingy. You could have a few cd's, a few movies (hook up my PS2 to my PC, use the DVD function, capture the video, convert it...) and pictures... That is why I would want one. If there, indeed, is a legit browser (and not a hack for the wipeout pure game to use it's browser...) fot the internet, then it's like a PS2, Palm, Ipod (shuffle), and Handheld DVD player rolled into one.

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I am assuming they will release the browser for it soon----it is bundled in the box in the South Korean PSP's so I am assuming we should have it sometime......

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"The tradition of the Orthodox people to celebrate one's name-day instead of a birthday. Since the Orthodox people are usually named after a saint's name, all those having the same name celebrate together. Celebration of the name-day is considered to be spiritually important, and the celebrating individual develops special spiritual ties with his Patron Saint and, consequently, with God." www.goarch.org/en/ourfaith/articles/article9152.asp

Who knows one day people will say that it is ok up to the point we bring animals to church. Imagin Christ having a dog.

"DO NOT GIVE HOLY THINGS TO DOGS OR CAST YOUR PEARLS BEFORE SWINE."
Matthew 7:6

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warsong, that day is today.
It's fine to bring your pet to church, minus the disturbance it could cause. There is nothing unholy about an animal, nor holy. They are animals. and if anything, it's our job to take care of them, and at moments, eat them. mmm.. beef...
and I can totally see Jesus with a dog.


GoArch.org?
go me! sry, I really couldn't resist.

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Dogs are for work not to be praised, but that is my opinion.

The church is the pray and not to bring dogs in to poop on the floor.
Someone told me that a women took her boob out to brest feed a child in the church and the priest commented on that. the women was not even part of the religious community. Or how about that other couple that had sex in the church. Then you have other nuts that say that it is tradition which they do not follow and they think it is ok to go to church bare feet with a wet swim suit one day.

Disagree or agree, interpret or don't, but deep down people know what is right and they do what they “want” than should. People can even name their little wily Jesus and in the end not my problem what they do.

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the church is for fellowship.
and I see no reason, nor feeling, to say dogs aren't allowed at church.
God never said it, who are we to define morality?

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Stop saying silly things. And if you do that what kind of a Christian sect does that?
"21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."

If you want a social gathering go outside, if you want to pray go inside.

"18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."
Also the head priests so explain to people what should and should not be done in the church but many think they know better.

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Jesus was talking about the TEMPLE.
a tad different.
frankly, the church building is really meaningless.
We are the church. people are the church.

We have the word of God. We can go to God in prayer.
we don't need some priest.
I'm not about to trust my soul to a man.
"For the law appoints as high priests men who are weak; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever." Hebrews 7:28
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You are going off topic, and I explained this in the religious forum on why that kind of mentality is not healthy.

If you push away what priest say then you should also push away the bible since priests gathered the books up and put what they felt you should read.

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I do not put my faith in man. it's unhealthy to do so.

I'm personally worried about you right now.

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Warsong, may I ask you why you think it'd be so horrendous that jesus owned a dog or cat or hamster or goat or cow or any aminal?

Is it so wrong to take a dog into church? Why? Are you in the same mindset that aminals are below humans? Do you treat all pets or aminals this way?

Aminals and especially dogs are very intelligent. My dog is part is part of my family. He's no pet and not just a dog. He's like a brother. Faithful and kind and loving. He always knows when some one is down and how cant you smile at him when he comes up and snuggles with ya and licks ya cheek? As archangel said "I do not put my faith in man." He has a very good point in what he just said.

warsong , "Dogs are for work not to be praised, but that is my opinion."

In my eyes that is a very unhealthy way to look any kind of aminal. What you just said there is what is going on today and through out history. Think to all the hate groups today and through out history. Isnt what you just said kinda like what was said about Jesus and all Jews? How about colored people to this day, some people still think like you do but towards race and color and sex.

In my eyes, To be christian is to be loving. Not only loving to our fellow humans but to every thing on this planet. To carry so much hate towards any thing is wrong but also human. I am no better then you on this because I do hate and even tho it is wrong to do so. I just can not drop that hate and forgive the people I do hate. Yet I hope through prayer and god, that one day I will beable to forgive them and not hate them any more.

To think that some people think a dog shouldnt hold a name that was givin to a saint and a child should be named a christian name. As I asked before, who can tell me what is or isnt a christian name and where is that book and why are they christian names?

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AA-When you put the faith in yourself you are putting it in man. When someone knows God better then you are closer to put your faith in God.
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Klown-Your points are way off.
Animals are below humans. We do not eat humans but we do eat animals. You can name your sheep John but you will easy it eventually or your fish Peter but that doesn't mean it is right or that they are equal.

Also we do not eat animals that eat meet since it is not healthy.

This is what happens when people interpret the bible which does not have 7 years of experience like a proper priest does. I can ask a person for medical advice but I won't operate on myself. Just like atheists you do want you want but it does not mean it is right.

A human is more important than an animal which Christ even said it, but I see some missing that. I see some people taking care of animals more than other humans. Some would rather feed or help an animal than a stray human which is more important.

6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
That doesn’t state equality as you see.

Letting a dog is the church is like when Christ said "DO NOT GIVE HOLY THINGS TO DOGS..." Matthew 7:6
If you want to bring the dog to a holy place I guess it is not that holy, but almost all Christian sects are not officially churches but Christian communities as was stated in the other topic.

I even see celebrities naming their children odd names but give their animals the Christian names. It seems Christian names are not good enough for their children but are for the dogs.
You can take care of animals but humans should come first. And the list goes on.

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AA-When you put the faith in yourself you are putting it in man.

I never advocated that.

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This is what happens when people interpret the bible which does not have 7 years of experience like a proper priest does.

God will speak to those who seek him, not necessarily those who are "experienced." All you have to do is ask, and the door will be opened to you; Seek and you will find. God gave us His Word, we don't need a group of people to tell us what He thinks when we can go and ask Him ourselves.
Maybe we should learn to respect and listen to the wisdom of others; there is great value in that. It, however, is by no way the only way God speaks to us.

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Letting a dog is the church is like when Christ said "DO NOT GIVE HOLY THINGS TO DOGS..." Matthew 7:6

no, Jesus was talking about judging others and offering criticism. He's saying what may be excellent advice, given to the wrong person, is potentially dangerous. Read the other verses around it.

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Also we do not eat animals that eat meet since it is not healthy.

actually, Koreans eat dogs. I heard it's pretty good too.
and no, let's not get all worked up over this.
Koreans don't eat their pets; the dogs are raised like cattle and stuff.

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I even see celebrities naming their children odd names but give their animals the Christian names. It seems Christian names are not good enough for their children but are for the dogs.

what exactly is a christian name? a european name? a Hebrew or Greek name? one that was previously found in a Bible? you have to understand that to most of us, a name is merely a reference to somebody or something, with no actual inherent value in itself. A rose by any other name....

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