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Lance

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From: Hackettstown, NJ, USA
Registered: 04-08-2005
Hi there! I'm enjoyed to find a website in which I can talk with other developers! I am not to good at programming...yet. Do you know where I can find a good way to begin? I'm happy to meet you all!!!

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CPUFreak91

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Hi!
If you're looking for a language, try Python (recommended) or Perl. Python is simple and easy to learn yet a powerfull OOP language too.

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Lance

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Thanks! I'll look them up.

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CPUFreak91

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BTW: I'd be interested in what language you choose. You shouldn't try to learn two languages at the same time, it will probably confuse you. Stick with one till you're pretty good before learning another language.

I'd also like to see how you're doing... email me at cpu.crazy@gmail.com
if you don't mind.

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Goldrush13

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You know, at first this reply was going to be critical, but actually now that I think of it CPUFreak91, Perl is a great idea for a first language!

If only I'd tried that first, things would have been a lot different, I think if your feeling adventurous lance you should pick the latter option, Perl, there is a language called "Pearl" as well, don't get confused and pick that one, go for Perl is my advice, although my Python experience is nada I've heard it can be very much the developers friend, mind you the community for Perl is a hell of a lot fun, it looks like those guys have a great time and of course Perl is absolutely free! If you want to run it on Windows go for ActivePerl from ActiveState(.com i'd imagine), I could go on forever about this, but CPUFreak91 put it best in his post, if you are considering any other languages or want to know more about the two mentioned above, just come back to this thread and post a question and we'll give you advice based on our personal experiences, but the main thing of course is to enjoy yourself, good luck.

I'm just bursting with great things to say about Perl, go on, ask me, ask ME!

CPUFreak91

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Perl can have nasty code though. Python is more beginner syntax freindly.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 has some pros of Python and Cons of perl.

lance, you may want to check out:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html as well. (Actually this is a must read!)

If you are looking for sites and docs on how to program in python, check out:
www.byteofpython.info
www.mindview.net/Books/TIPython (not the best for beginers to programing though)

But, seriously, check out http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882 before you make a python/perl choice.

Also, what type of programming would you want to do? Web programming, or "local" (my term for hard drive resident programs) programming.

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Lance

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Mostly I will probably be doing "local" programming ( I'm a total game freak)

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Goldrush13

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If it's local then not Perl, what do you intend to to with programming? Career or hobby?
CobraA1

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Java is nice also, you can make games & apps with it.

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Goldrush13

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Not Java either if you want it to be local, you can create some form of .exe or something but is pretty much web-based (and mobile phone based)
definately not a beginners language, although it's simple it's not what a beginner should be programming at the start move onto it when you want to handle the web (Or you could also use Perl for the web).
en972

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I suggest C++ if you want to learn to fly

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Goldrush13

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Turbo Pascal, BASIC and it's many variations or C (although I've never tried it, if you want to get straight into a career and do some pure power then work your way through the C languages, from C to C++ to Java to C#, or if you want it easy C then Java, C# then C++).

C++ is just dreaming at beginners level, I know many will disagree, I mean it's not unheard off to be able to take straight to it but throwing every beginner into it is not plausible and quite bad practice if you ask me, C++ will scare the hell out of you believe me, you'll think you're learning assembly as it's so weird at the start. BASIC and Pascal are great ways to start. I went the Pascal route.

en972

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If you want to learn c++ go to http://www.gameinstitute.com/

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fingolfin

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quote:
Originally posted by Goldrush13:
C++ is just dreaming at beginners level, I know many will disagree, I mean it's not unheard off to be able to take straight to it but throwing every beginner into it is not plausible and quite bad practice if you ask me.

Well, Visual Basic is a good language to start with...

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ArchAngel

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I hold my ground and say start with Java.
the syntax is made to be somewhat "beginner-proof" and it teaches Object-Oriented Programming principles.

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CobraA1

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Welcome to the forums .

I personally prefer Java.

You can start by looking for some books and classes that teach programming.

Also, take a look at BlueJ, it's a programming environment designed for educational use, so it makes you focus on the important aspects of programming.

After you know Java well, you can "graduate" to other IDEs like NetBeans and other languages like C#.

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Goldrush13

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quote:
Originally posted by fingolfin:
Well, Visual Basic is a good language to start with...




Yes, VB is great for beginners, so have you decided yet lance?

ArchAngel

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ugh... I don't really care too much for bluej. the only good thing about it is the pictoral representation is gives of the classes.
personally, i think Textpad is better.

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en972

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Why not just get an IDE? Like visual studio...by the way arch...dreamcast is waiting...its calling out..to idiot america (had to say that last line...couldnt resist)

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