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Disturbing talk. Strong Christians are only allowed!! – warsong

This is a part of an interview with a Jewish guy that said many disturbing things. Some things were said by Mell Gibsons father whcih this Jewish guy verifies. The Jewish guy was working in the US Government, and the artical was from a nutral christian site.
I would like someone to give some feed back about this, but I think only strong shristians shoudl read since it is harsh.

"When asked if the Jews felt any threat from the 'silent majority,' he laughed at the idea, saying:
"There is no such thing as the silent majority because we control their cry and hue. The only thing that exists is an unthinking majority and unthinking they will remain, as long as their escape from our rigorous service is the opiate of our entertainment industry. By controlling industry, we have become the task masters and the people the slaves. When the pressure of daily toil builds to an explosive degree, we have provided the safety valve of momentary pleasure. The television and movie industries furnish the necessary temporary distraction. These programs are carefully designed to appeal to the sensuous emotions, never to the logical thinking mind. Because of this, the people are programmed to respond according to our dictates, not according to reason. Silent they never are; thinking they will remain."
Continuing his thought of Jewish control over the goy, Mr. Rosenthal said:
"We have castrated society through fear and intimidation. Its manhood exists only in combination with a feminine outward appearance. Being so neutered, the populace has become docile and easily ruled. As all geldings in nature, their thoughts are not involved with the concerns of the future and their posterity, but only with the present toil and the next meal,"

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" W. The story about the six million Jews supposedly cremated or murdered by the Nazis.

R. What about it?

W. Do you know who or what Jewish organization created that big lie?

R. No, I don't know anything about its authenticity. I don't think it's too important anyway.

W. Mr. Rosenthal, you know better than that, What about the younger generation who is growing up believing this big lie? And you say it's not important!!

R. It was an outgrowth of the war and we all know that Hitler hated the Jews so someone, somewhere, thought of exaggerating the number. We know that many, many Jews were killed by the Nazis.

W. I'm sure you know that when World War II broke out there were less than a quarter of a million Jews in ALL of Germany. Many thousands had already left Germany.

R. So what? As I said before, the Jewish people are the cleverest people in the world. So somebody thought up a big number and perhaps it grew until now the number of Jews killed is six million. We have control of the news media and that is the great difference. Otherwise your people could tell YOUR big lie.

W. Go you brush it off that lightly. Something of such enormity...

Mr. R. interrupted here saying -- My people have been taught to give consideration and attention to our teachers rather than to the words of your people and laws."
"There will be a forced class warfare here in the United States and many will be liquidated. You will unquestionably be among them. The Jews will not be harmed. I'm not boasting! I'm giving you the facts! And it is too late for your Christian followers to put up a defense. That time is long past. Long, Long Ago we had to become the aggressors!! That is undoubtedly one of our great purposes in life. We are aggressors!! Because you stole your pretended religious beliefs from our Talmud."
(The most disturbing part which the guy is lieing about christ, but they do have control of the media which many priests have said)

W. You sound bitter.
R. Not at all. Why should I be bitter? We are on top!!
W. And when this whole sordid story becomes known, the result will be an aroused citizenry -- an angry citizenry who will want to destroy you.

R. How? I ask you how? YOU can't reach the people. We have it all under such control that no one -- no one or no-body can people unless it is done through our media control. (Who has ahd control of the mass media in the 20th century? -- Chairman of ABC pp Leonard Goldenson, President of CBS -- James H. Rosenfield, Chairman of RCS -- David Sarnoff, Chief Executive of NBC -- Fred Silverman, President of PBS -- Lawrence Grossman, Chairman of Time -- Arthur Heiskell, Editor of U.S. News & World Report -- Marvin Stone, Chief Executive of Dow Jones -- Warren H. Phillips, Editor of Newsweek -- Lester Bernstein, President of TV Guide -- Walter Annenberg, President of New York Times -- Sulzberger family, TV program producer -- Norman Lear -- these and more all are Jews!!) We have it sewed up!! We have infected your churches completely and we now control the school system in the United States. It is a reality that we have complete control of organized Christianity. Almost anywhere -- completely.

W. I find so many things you say to be repulsive. The way you say things..
R. It's what you wanted to hear or you wouldn't have paid good money for this interview.
W. So long as you are truthful with me -- but you still haven't answered that question I posed long back -- do you believe that Jesus Christ was a Jew?

R. As I said, Jake could give you a really intelligent answer. I know that most of our friends, kids and people I grew up with -- in fact all of our friends -- I'd say all of them, don't believe Christ was a Jew. He was an impostor and millions of people all over the world now believe that Christianity was founded on untruth and deliberate incorrect translations of your Bible. Christ was a fraud. Even the National Council of Churches agree that there were false translations of the book your people respect. It's built on lies. (This comment can hardly be regarded as coming from a true Christian source since the National Council of Churches was organized by Jews and its theology is controlled by them.) "


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Registered: 06-29-2004
Now, I have so far read only what you posted there, and would like to read the rest of the interview soon very intently and prayerfully.

Firstly, it should be noted on this post page (which is likely as far as most will get) that the cited interview occurred back in 1976. I did see on the actual interview page that they believe this to be provocative that this "grand scheme" or whatever has surely progressed since, but I personally would rather see something more current before we head for the hills.

Secondly, I have heard of a number of anti-Semitic arguments ranting that a small number of Jewish people actually control the world. If I am thinking of the right stuff here, I think that is the kind of attitude that led to World War II.

Thirdly, somewhat related to the second point is that this seems heavily anti-Semitic. Combine this with what has been called an increasing trend of anti-Semitism in Europe, and there is some real ugliness ahead of us. "Or is that what they want us to think...?" (yeah, sorry, thought I'd try to throw in some lightheartedness here)

Finally, this is more of an advising to any future readers, but please don't speak in generalizations that give the impression that all Jews are behind some conspiracy. There may be a small number with attitudes similar to the individual interviewed, but it should be stressed that that was one individual's attitude we saw in that article.

I am sorry I had to put this out kind of quickly; I hope to read the whole thing more prayerfully soon.


Posts: 408
Registered: 10-25-2002
Unfortunately, I read the whole thing. Furthermore, I did my own research to verify anything I could. All I could find online was several links to the same article (on other sites), most of which espouse some extreme conspiracy-theory mindset or are of some extreme religious view (ie, KKK, Aryans, etc) - or both.
Yes, there were such individuals - at least the Senator identified in the article and the individual reportedly interviewed. However, I could find nothing online that was ascribed to Walter White Jr. other than this so-called interview.
My research also included the group that you linked to - to find out more specifics of what they believe and who they are. The only identification is they claim to be non-denominational, and they call themselves Watchmen.
I have several questions in light of my research: Why would this bible study group include this article on their site if their interest was scriptural truth? The article itself really does nothing to inform the reader of anything valuable - other than promote the theory of some grand Jewish conspiracy involving global politics.
Also, the article really doesn't fit in with what the group claims to believe in as posted on their site. It just doesn't fit in with the presentation of the facts this group of people has set forth. It almost seems like this group wants to identify themselves as Christians and then dump this propaganda (I can think of no other term for it that is decent) on the unwary reader.
My opinion, based on the method of presentation and the research I did, is that the individual interviewed for this article may have said all the things attributed to him, but that does not necessarily mean they are true. As Nomad pointed out, there are a great deal of accusatory generalizations in the article - on both sides - and that indicates that something just isn't quite right in the heart and mind of the persons involved. There is a good deal of unknowns here - the intent of the author, the intent of the people hosting the article, etc. Also keep in mind that the people involved are dead (though I'm not sure of the author of the article, as I couldn't find anything about him or the supposed newspaper he was editor of), so there really isn't a way to disprove what has been published (convenient eh?). I recommend you count it as personal opinion without substantiation and put no further weight on it. There is just enough truth to draw you into it and then plant doubt - which is a clear sign of it being false ideology with an agenda behind it. Any half-truth is still a lie.

God bless,

Thanks for the feed back.

How can this be Anti-Semitic? A Jew said it. It is like a black guy telling the other black man the N word. It is not Christian to do bad things to others but if many things are true then what would that mean? Like the guy said even if everyone knows it's too late to do anything.

If you look up the guys name "Harold Wallace Rosenthal" you will see that many Christian sites have the article so it is not just this site that says it.

Some things he said are verified but other Jewish organizations, other countries history, and news articles that show statistics which is the odd thing. Like the part about Jewish people controlling Hollywood which I heard that many times by many Christians.

Here is another from the same site that quotes different information that supports some of his accusations.

“In the EDMONTON ECONOMIC SERVICE BULLETIN of New York, it was shown that the 440 richest American families (non-Jewish) controlled about $25-billion. A handful of International Jews control over $500-billion, with one family, the Rothschild's estimated to control over $300-billion. (This was twenty years ago and the Jewish control has increased vastly since then.)”

”They control the great news agencies of the world, newspapers, radio, TV.”like” TIME, readership over 4.3-million, controlled by Harrison Aaron Mitnick.” “They own or control 909 of the major newspapers in the United States with a daily readership of 47-million”
“"All Reformation history proves that it was the Jewish use of "usury", sometimes charging as much as 180%, that drove the Jews out of other professions. If you will take the time to study all Jewish expulsions from European countries, you will find that all of them followed Jewish use of crooked business practices and the immorality taught in the Talmud"
“THE JEWISH CONTRIBUTION TO CIVILIZATION, by Cecil Roth, Harper and Bros., New York, 1940.
"Jewish arrogance sprouts forth in the Foreword of this book: "To anyone capable of harboring anti-Semitism - a group prejudice of human beings - this book is probably TOO INTELLIGENT to make an effective appeal”

"The first cause of Jew hatred goes back to the nature of Jewish leadership, a black veil on the conscience of our race. The second goes back to the nature of our people itself, and is an evil no less foul . . ." (Could this be what Jesus meant when He spoke to the leader's of this people in John 8:44 and said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it." These words were not spoken by some Nazi "anti-Semite," but by the Son of God."

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Registered: 10-25-2002
I'd like to point out that the belief of how influential the Jews are in Hollywood and the media in general has been around since Hollywood was established. Before "moving pictures" the "media" only consisted of radio broadcasting and newspapers. Much of the contempt for Jews in the media, and thus the perpetration of the accusations of a Jewish controlled media, etc., is historically proven to be a result of the advent of Hollywood and its popularity over radio and newspaper. Even the invention of Television created a scare in the media then, including Hollywood. Most recently, the threat toward media moguls has come from the Internet. Still, these minor facts do not prove the rest.


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From: Port Angeles, WA, USA
Registered: 10-25-2001
the fact however is God choose israel, and has BLESSED the world, the families of the world through ISRAEL , and will continue to, He didn't choose them because they are better than the rest, or even that they are faithful, but rather because HE is faithful to HIS word, and He had and has specicial purposes for them, plans for God, for his Will for He loves the world and people passionately.

It is true that there are many rich and powerful jews, some who may have not so good plans etc, but that is VERY different than the "JEWISH PEOPLE", and you'd also we aware that there are many many rich (and even richer) and powerful AMERICAN people, with also some not so good agendas as well, but you'd agree that would be strange to say its a conspiracy of the "AMERICAN PEOPLE". In a sense even the anti-christ may be jewish (for if the jews are to accept him as the messiah, but in reality it doesn't mean anything, For God still has a plan and purpose for the jews as a whole, and that includes a harvest into the kingdom of God, so as christians we should rather pray for God's will and kingdom to come for them, and choose to love them, rather than work up in ourselves reasons to despise or fear or judge them - for we are all sinners.

As for usury (charging interest), it has been a KEY component to capitalism and the massive growth of our western civilisation, i have mixed feelings with it, and coming to think more and more than its NOT a good thing, for i see the fruits of it, and it is true, because of political enviroment of europe, it was a major area of employment (and thus enrichment) for many jews in europe etc, however in general, there would be more non jews who are making alot of money through usury in this world than jews, and as for that being an excuse or even a seemed "legitimate reaons" for persucuting jews throughout history, it is only an EXCUSE, so called christians killed and raped jewish women for them being 'Christ Killers' - things just get so messed up - welcome to human sinful nature 101. But the fact is there are many excuses and "reasons" that jews have been perscuted over history,and even christians - for the early christians were often perseucted by Rome, not for the fact on the human level that they believed in some jewish dude (another way God blesses us all through the jews - the ultimate way actually) called Jesus, but because Rome was built on force, and Christians refused to fight and be part of the army, thus threatened to overthrow the foundation Rome was biult on if it got 'popular', but anyway in the background the reasons are all spiritual, for we fight not against flesh and blood , but powers and principalities. the surface human "reason" or excuse often makes no sense for the situation, but if you look at the spiritual warfare and spiritual reality behind it - it all makes sense, So on that note, lets not be like those of the world and look at the surface issues, and try to rationalise this or that, and risk being blinded by agenda of the enemy himself. But rather realise its a spiritual battle, and pray - pray for the salvation of all men, including the jews, pray that God would renew our minds, that we would have the mind of Christ, pray for love for those we don't love, confess our sins of hatred, envy or whatever, and live the gospel day by day to all those we come in contact with.

Love Karl

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the creative submitted to the divine.
Husband of my amazing wife Aleshia

Hollywood was immoral when it first came out. The Christian groups put restrictions to put some morality in it. The restrictions have been bent gradually and Christianity has been attacked and they do not have many restrictions now.

They were his chosen people to carry the old testament, but they are not anymore since they do not hold his words. God for filled what he said that the Jews were the chosen ones since they did their job. The truth is that they do not carry the word of God.

Revelations 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

The richest people are Jewish as stated in the reply. Some more disturbing things which have not been posted. The thing is what if it is true?

We are all sinners but we should not let sin happen and should find truth. Kind of like the example about the good Samaritan. If we let evil happen then we are evil. Bless them but we should act too, but not hurt anyone since that is not Christian.


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Registered: 10-25-2002
Originally posted by warsong:
The thing is what if it is true?

Okay, let's assume it all is true. What is your responsibility then with the "new knowledge"? At what point do you rely on God to be God and let His will and work be His?
I agree we are at equal fault for allowing evil to happen when we know it is evil, but there are steps put in place - by God through man - to resolve what can be resolved. I don't want to stray off topic though.
The least of responsibilities of a Christian is to pray (refer to Jesus' Sermon on the Mount). If you know nothing else to do, at least do that; even if you know more to do, prayer is the first thing you should do.

The chosen people of God, ie Jews, have always been blamed for something. Read about the beginning of the Hebrew people and how other nations have always viewed them. These comments dated back to 1976 is not the first time such allegations have been made.

The generalizations made in the article are quite astounding. Some of the comments equate to saying all Americans believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, when we know that not all Americans support those concepts (no matter how you look at it). My advice to you is to not get caught up in "what if's" in your search for truth. Let the absolute truth of God's Word be what you measure everything else by. If you don't feel comfortable with your knowledge of scripture, put away the other stuff and read more of God's Word. Continual study in scripture refreshes one's spirit and renews one's understanding. Personally, in the past year I've discovered more out of what I've read many times over than each previous reading. Even at church, I learn something new in scripture all the time.
Be cautious with what you read, especially online. You can find anything on the internet if you look hard enough, but the biggest question you need to ask is "What does God say about this?" and not "What if this is true?".

You've had some very interesting comments since you joined, and they all indicate some sort of searching that you are experiencing in your faith. I wish you all the best in your spiritual maturity. It is great that you aren't afraid to ask questions; just don't let what is unknown be more to you than what you know - especially when God is involved.

God bless you sincerely,



Posts: 1335
From: Melbourne, FL USA
Registered: 11-09-2002
Let me put it this way, run a search on "Christian Reconstructionism" and "Dominionists" and you'll find plenty of conspiracy theories saying Christians are trying to take over the world and start by making the US a theocratical nation through genocide.


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From: Eau Claire, WI USA
Registered: 10-25-2004

I always enjoy a good conspiracy theory, and I'm quite a conassiour (or however that is spelled.. I'm sure I butchered it).
I don't deny the possability, or even the existance and effectiveness of conspiracies. However, I'm also well grounded in history.
Frankly, and I'm not trying to be insulting, the idea that the holocaust didn't happen is rediculous. There is so much physical, eye witness and documentary evidence its simply impossible for a reasonable thinking person to deny it. It would be much much easier to doubt the moon landing, or space flights or even the american revolution as authentic historical events than it would the holocaust. I've personaly spoken to survivors of the camps, I've read the accounts of american soldiers who liberated the camps, I've seen the pictures both the soldiers took after and the airforce took before the war was over.

Things that were said in the article posted above, even if they are true, which is dubious, still don't amount to significant evidence agaisnt the holocaust.. even if there were only a quarter million jews in germany at the start of the war (which I have a hard time believing but will grant anyway) the fact is that most of the people in the camps were not german but eastern european. The vast majority of the people killed by the nazis were from poland, russia, hungary, romania and so on. People always focus on the 6 million jews, but the fact is there were millions more who died simply because they were slavic, and in germany itself there were a good number of christians who were sent to the camps because they opposed the nazi take over of the churches. The most famous being Dietrich Bonhoffer who died in the camps.
Hitler's racial ideology was that the aryan race required living space to grow and prosper, and that this living space was currently being taken up by inferior people. Hitler did not regard the french or english as inferior, infact he wanted to be allied to england at first. From the very start his plan was to liquidate the population of eastern europe which was primarily slavic, and had quite a few jews as well. Thats the whole reason he invaded Russia, there was no living space to be had in the west.. it was already taken up by racialy exceptable people.

I'm not trying to be insulting on this but in my view the idea that the halacaust is a hoax ranks right up there with people who still believe the earth is flat.

While we're on the Nazi's.. there is another common misconception.. many people seem to be under the mistaken idea that hitler believed himself to be a christian. Hitler had no respect for christianity and did not believe in Jesus. One of the very first things hitler did when he came to power was remove the bible from every church in Germany and replace it with a copy of Mein Kampf. Hitler routinely portrayed himself as a messianic figure, and in connection with that portrayed himself as the incarnation of Woden (germanic equivalent of Odin). He was heavily tied to occult groups like the Thule society and in cooperation his elite SS the entire calander of germany was redone eliminating all christian holidays and replacing them with pagan norse celebrations. In line with that all the men inducted into the SS and most of the other special groups under went paganized "knighting" or "christening" ceremonies to induct them into Hitlers new pagan state religion.

But anyway... Just because a Jew says something about Jews, doesn't make it particularly insightful or telling. There are alot of crazy people in every group. Most of the trouble that has come upon the jews has come upon them because of their rebellion and wickedness, however, they are still God's chosen people. And for that reason much of their trial is also from the enemy because he wants to destroy them, just as he wants to destroy us. If you think the jews are cast aside, read Roman's chapter 8-10.

My final comment is on the very first part of the article posted where the guy was talking about the silent unthinking majority etc etc.. there is alot of truth in that... the so called silent majority isn't much of a majority and the reason its been silent so long is because most of them are completely asleep, or deaf dumb and blind to whats going on around them. This last election in the US was possibly the first signs of some of them beginning to awake, but is likely too little too late.
Entertainment does play a great role in this, but its not that entertainment planned to entrap people.. its that people were already entrapped by hedonism and thus they devised new and better (or worse depending on how you look at it) entertainments.
There has been a concerted effort through the unitarian and then humanist elements within the US for the last hundred years to take over the country through education. This began when the "progressives" took ovre public education around the turn of the century and a little before. These were people who believed that they knew best how to run society and run everyone elses lives. From that time on the school system and inch by inch moved to try and create a system where the government controls what people are taught, it controls, through school achievement tracking, what people are going to be educated and thus the higher social stata and what people are going to be the drones and workers of society. It has tried to remove independant thought and teach reliance on government and on "experts". The rant could go on for quite a while

The US public school system has been engineered as a tool of indoctrination, it has bit by bit removed all of the elements necessary for maintaining the free society we were founded as (specificly classics and humanities) and replaced them with political correctness and sensitivity training, at the same time determining from grade school which kids are going to be put in classes that allow them to excell and which kids are going to be put in classes that will drag them into mediocrity, then putting preasure on the private sector to hire people according to their grades so that the schools can determine who gets what job. ok I'm going to shut up now

-- All that is gold does not glitter,
Deep roots are not touched by the frost,
The old that is strong does not wither,
Not all those who wander are lost.



Posts: 1335
From: Melbourne, FL USA
Registered: 11-09-2002
Also, even if these people in this conspiracy theory have a Jewish heritage I very much doubt they're practicing Orthodox Jews. More than likely they're atheists and being a Jew means nothing to them beyond an interesting fact about their family history. They might even be part of the religion Secular Humanism: