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Age old question .... To prosecute or not to prosecute? – Klown

Klown

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Should Priest's, Ministors or any other Cleric commit crimes and not be punished? As in the Priest's who molested kids and the Cleric two years ago shooting down a guy.

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Simon_Templar

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In my opinion, priests and clerics are men like any other and thus are subject to the laws of society just like everyone else, and should be. A church defending a cleric or concealing his crimes is wrong.
In respect to the church itself I would take it a step further and say that cleric's/clergy should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one. For salvation and their own relationship with God they have the same standard as everyone else.. but their position requires a higher standard, and greater responsability, this is scriptural.

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Max

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I couldn't have said it better myself. They are human, try them and fry them like ordinary people. They are not holier than anyone else and not above the law.

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I completely agree. They belong in jail.

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ArchAngel

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They should have the book thrown at them because of the positions they held.

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Klown

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Yeah I agree that they should be tossed in the clink and in general population too. Let them find out how they feel to get a lil roughed up.

Yet this brings up another question. You think that the clerics other people involved in the church that knew what was going on and didnt stop it also be prosecuted?

I believe they should be. They knew what was going on, yet they just covered their eyes and tried to ignore it and hope nothing happened. Yet I dont believe everyone held back and let them do what they did.

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bennythebear

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i believe accorind to the laws in america that makes them accomplises(spelling?). for instance, if i watch a girl get raped and don't report it, or try to do anything about it, or ag it on but don't actually partake in the crime i'll be considered just as guilty as the rapist i think, i could be mistaken on this though.

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ArchAngel

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i think you can get busted if you could stop it with no harm to yourself and you didn't.
still... your a *refrains from using certain words* coward.

i think some in the catholic churck knew. but saying all knew is a tad extreme.

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Klown

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NONONONo ... I"m not saying that they all knew. Yet there are a few in the church that knew what was going on and knew the background of the troubled priest's. They shoulda put a hault to it, yet they just covered their eyes, plugged their ears and started chanting .. LALALALALALA.

They're just as guilty as the ones who was actually doing the molesting.

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Chickadoo

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I believe that ministers should be held to a higher standard, as they are in positions of authority. (there is a verse in the new testament somwhere (im too lazy to look it up) that says teachers are cursed because they are so public that they must set a good example; if they do anything wrong then they set a bad example on their students, etc...)

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ArchAngel

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quote:
NONONONo ... I"m not saying that they all knew.

of course not. I wasn't saying you did either.
just addressing what some people seem to get at.

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Brandon

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I'd say to prosecute.

quote:
i think some in the catholic churck knew. but saying all knew is a tad extreme.

Yeah me too, and I've heard from a reliable source that it's been going on for centuries too. Which I think is pretty sick.

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Simon_Templar

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As far as those who knew but allowed it to continue.. you could probably get them legaly on some kind of complicity charge.. however in most places you can't legislate that people have to try and stop crimes.

As for the church, however, people who cover this kind of thing up should deffinetly be thrown out. I would have more sympathy I guess if they tried to do something about it themselves, like get rid of the priest, but didn't want to go public.. but even that is not right, and not wise.

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